Home · Register · Join Upload & Sell

Moderated by: Fred Miranda

New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site

New Feature: SMS Notification alert

New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist

FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

1 2 3 4

6 7 8 end

How much post processing?

hnilsson
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · How much post processing?

gdanmitchell wrote:
That's an interesting rule. A lot of the world's greatest photographs would not exist if the photographers who created them shared that approach.

Perhaps. But as a wildlife photographer, I want to present what I saw - or at least something close to it. If I spend hours on an image, I doubt it'd represent what I saw. BUT, as I said, this is merely my opinion and it seems to work just fine for me.

May 19, 2023 at 09:34 PM

gdanmitchell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · How much post processing?

hnilsson wrote:
Perhaps. But as a wildlife photographer, I want to present what I saw - or at least something close to it. If I spend hours on an image, I doubt it'd represent what I saw. BUT, as I said, this is merely my opinion and it seems to work just fine for me.

Often the post-processed image ends up being closer to what we saw than what comes out of the camera. The camera doesn't see as we do — it sees what a camera sees.

May 19, 2023 at 10:09 PM

hnilsson
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · How much post processing?

gdanmitchell wrote:
Often the post-processed image ends up being closer to what we saw than what comes out of the camera. The camera doesn't see as we do — it sees what a camera sees.

No camera will capture exactly what we see. My point is that if I have to spend hours on an image, I'm making it into something I didn't see. That's me. You just might be a lot better at post processing than I am - that's entirely possible. I don't see this as a right vs wrong but I present it merely as what works for me. You do you and if that means you need/want to spend much more time on an image processing it, then go for it.

May 19, 2023 at 10:43 PM

Imagemaster
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On

p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · How much post processing?

Maybe 5 minutes of post-processing. And I did not see what the camera saw and captured. I was not even sure I got the birds in that frame.

Canon EOS R6m2 RF100-400mm F5.6-8 IS USM lens 400mm f/8.0 1/3000s 2000 ISO +1.0 EV

May 19, 2023 at 11:47 PM

mfrank999
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #5 · p.5 #5 · How much post processing?

Imagemaster wrote:
Maybe 5 minutes of post-processing. And I did not see what the camera saw and captured. I was not even sure I got the birds in that frame.

Very nice. What AF area did you use to capture this shot?

May 20, 2023 at 07:09 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #6 · p.5 #6 · How much post processing?

Colour is a very unique topic. There is accurate and pleasing. Then again what is accurate? Who's right? C1 who claim to fame is colour? Canon, Nikon, Sony Adobe DXO and so on?

Is Colorchecker Passport Pro the accurate one out the bunch? It produces more saturated blues than I remember seeing. After creating a profile I did tests shots which included my wife's arm that had a teal sweater and her hand. Canon looked teal and CPP looked blue. I had two flies on the desktop and asked my wife to pick out her sweater and she immediately pointed to the Canon file. I shot carnival once in Portugal and aside from the blues the pinks were really saturated as well. I have say that the skin tones CPP produces are very nice. Vey clean and natural. If I was portrait photographer I'd likely be using it.

So accurate to me is consistency down the line. I shoot magazine covers and submit files that need to match the magazine specs which may use CPP or other profiles.

That leaves pleasing colour. Aside from the time it took Adobe Denoise to do its thing this edit took about 5 seconds. When Adobe Color came out it wasn't too popular. I have to say I've started to like it. It is warmer than Canon. The second file is Canon Standard l and the third is Adobe Color. Some Personally I think Adobe Color is closer to what I remember seeing. I could wrong but the Adobe file is more pleasing to me.

So you only have to spend a few seconds to add a little life to your shots or a long time if that you like to do. There are no rules.

Original

Canon EOS R7 RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM lens 500mm f/7.1 1/1250s 320 ISO 0.0 EV

Canon Standard. Faithful was even more red

Canon EOS R7 RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM lens 500mm f/7.1 1/1250s 320 ISO 0.0 EV

Adobe Color

Canon EOS R7 RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM lens 500mm f/7.1 1/1250s 320 ISO 0.0 EV

Edited on May 20, 2023 at 08:52 AM · View previous versions

May 20, 2023 at 08:13 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #7 · p.5 #7 · How much post processing?

I made a few edits to the previous post. In 2nd shot caption I said that Canon Faithful was even more red.

May 20, 2023 at 08:19 AM

gdanmitchell
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #8 · p.5 #8 · How much post processing?

Zenon Char wrote:
I made a few edits to the previous post. In 2nd shot caption I said that Canon Faithful was even more red.

Sorry, no edits to posts more than five minutes after you share them... ;-)

Dan

May 20, 2023 at 08:43 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #9 · p.5 #9 · How much post processing?

gdanmitchell wrote:
Sorry, no edits to posts more than five minutes after you share them... ;-)

Dan

May 20, 2023 at 08:47 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #10 · p.5 #10 · How much post processing?

Another example. I find Adobe Color somewhere in between Canon Standard and Faithful. The 1st shot is Adobe Color and the 2nd is Canon Standard. We know Adobe leans towards yellow and Canon towards red. When I was waiting for Adobe to come out with Canon profiles for the R5 I purchased Color Fidelity but started to use Adobe Color more.

While the Canon file is richer in green the yellow tone of Adobe Color seems closer to warm midday sun. I still waver back and forth between both.

May 20, 2023 at 09:50 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #11 · p.5 #11 · How much post processing?

1st is Adobe Landscape. 2nd is Canon landscape.

May 20, 2023 at 09:55 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #12 · p.5 #12 · How much post processing?

Sorry for nattering on. Many years ago on another site another person was trying out Colorchecker Passport. Took a picture a vacuum that had blues and purples. The person said it did not look like what the eyes were seeing as it was over saturated.

Andrew Rodney (the digital dog) was in that thread who is a colour expert. He is part of PixelGenius group. The poster was trying explain it didn't look like the vacuum cleaner. Andrew was explaining that that is how it works and little convoluted and out of hand. I never really got a clear understanding of that. Since I don't need or have any accurate colour demands I just go with pleasing colour. Andrew also talked about pleasing colour. I do calibrate my monitor.

May 20, 2023 at 10:14 AM

IndyFab
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: On

p.5 #13 · p.5 #13 · How much post processing?

Those 7 wolfs pups on the beach ..... Awesome

May 20, 2023 at 10:49 AM

Sy Sez
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #14 · p.5 #14 · How much post processing?

Zenon Char wrote:
Andrew Rodney (the digital dog) was in that thread who is a colour expert. He is part of PixelGenius group. The poster was trying explain it didn't look like the vacuum cleaner. Andrew was explaining that that is how it works and little convoluted and out of hand. I never really got a clear understanding of that. Since I don't need or have any accurate colour demands I just go with pleasing colour. Andrew also talked about pleasing colour. I do calibrate my monitor.

That's a significant point when discussing color, weather on a computer-screen, or for printing.

I use a Color calibrated monitor, and the Adobe RGB profile in my Camera's and in Image editing programs, but when I post an image online I generally convert Adobe RGB to sRGB, yet I have no idea how the image colors appear to others using a different Color profile, or a non-color calibrated monitor.

It would be interesting to know from this discussion, how many others take image color rendition serious enough to apply the available "tools" to assure the best comparative results?

May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #15 · p.5 #15 · How much post processing?

Curious as well.

May 20, 2023 at 05:32 PM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #16 · p.5 #16 · How much post processing?

Sy Sez wrote:
That's a significant point when discussing color, weather on a computer-screen, or for printing.

I use a Color calibrated monitor, and the Adobe RGB profile in my Camera's and in Image editing programs, but when I post an image online I generally convert Adobe RGB to sRGB, yet I have no idea how the image colors appear to others using a different Color profile, or a non-color calibrated monitor.

It would be interesting to know from this discussion, how many others take image color rendition serious enough to apply the available "tools" to assure the best comparative results?

I guess no one wants to tackle colour. When I was DPP > PS user I also worked in RGB and then converted to sRGB via Edit - Convert to profile. Then Adobe added it to the Export for the web - Legacy. Now that I use LrC and export it uses Pro Photo and you can choose the export format which is always Jpeg for me. I set PS to Pro Photo too but this is really insignificant now because since LrC 12 I don't think I've sent a single file to it from LrC.

X-Rite is the world leader. I worked in print media and we had X-Rite devices around all of the time. I use i1 Display Pro to calibrate my monitor. To your question for web viewing exporting, sRGB is the best option because not a browsers are colour managed. FireFox might be? It's been so many years since I even thought about this. sRGB is the safest unless you know whoever views the files uses a colour managed browser, etc.

Then you have calibrated monitors. Does everyone do this, how how often and do they use the suggested brightness, etc settings? We have no control over that.

Then you have colour accuracy. So is X-Rite the one because because as I said blues and other colours do not look like what see in real life? However as I said the skin tones are amazing so maybe that is what it is all about. You either print or the file gets handed off to several other parties. To me colour accuracy is by the time the 7th party gets the file they see what you see on your device.

C1 ones claim to fame is colour. If someone uses it they calibrate and profile their printer. If you hand that file over to someone else and you make whatever arrangements you need to for that. The interesting thing is C1 added the option to use ColorChecker Passport Pro profiles. Does this mean that their colour is not as accurate as the industry standard? I think it was for the purpose of sending files to other parties while maintaining accuracy/consistency.

I'm just using C1 as one example because all the major players have their soup recipes. I may be wrong but it's the way I understand it. Anyone who wants to correct me go ahead.

May 21, 2023 at 09:04 AM

marximus4192
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #17 · p.5 #17 · How much post processing?

I shoot JPEGs. The extent of my "post processing" is cropping/rotating and minor exposure adjustments. If I shoot black and white I do it in camera. Apart from black and white, I try to get it as close to what my eye sees as possible. I'm grateful for electronic viewfinders so I can make as many adjustments as possible before shooting.

Edited on May 21, 2023 at 09:36 AM · View previous versions

May 21, 2023 at 09:32 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #18 · p.5 #18 · How much post processing?

To sum this up I stopped worrying about accurate colour long ago as it has no bearing on what I do. I can post that landscape example as an Adobe or Canon colour profile. Some may like it, some may not. Unless it's managed it's subjective. For hobby shooting I post what is pleasing to me. It's my art and I don't worry about anything else.

May 21, 2023 at 09:35 AM

jcolwell
Online
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: On

p.5 #19 · p.5 #19 · How much post processing?

Zenon Char wrote:
Apparently there are 278 professional photographers here.

Curious as well.

Yeah, I saw that. I don't think it's right. According to Fred, there are about 350,000 members here. I think that more than 0.01% of them are pros.

Edited on May 21, 2023 at 10:23 AM · View previous versions

May 21, 2023 at 10:09 AM

Zenon Char
Online
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off

p.5 #20 · p.5 #20 · How much post processing?

jcolwell wrote:
Yeah, I saw that. I don't think it's right. According to Fred, there are about 350,000 members here. I think that more than 0.1% of them are pros.

Might be a digit missing.

May 21, 2023 at 10:21 AM

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 end
FM Forums \| Canon Forum \| Join Upload & Sell 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 end

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.