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Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!

  
 
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p.44 #1 · p.44 #1 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


I pay little attention to any of them (YT reviews) when talking AF as a degree of objectivity goes out of the window as they've either had it on a jolly and/or it's 'their' brand. I'd much rather read the opinions from some of the guys on here who will try all brands and call it as it is.

arbitrage wrote:
I would very much appreciate if people citing reviews and YT videos comparing Z9 AF to other cameras would provide links to those reviews and videos.

I see a couple comments on this page alone saying reviews placing the Z9 above A1/R3 even back on 1.0FW. I see mention of some recent YT vids where the presenter has changed their mind and is now placing Z9 above the other cameras.

I'm always interested to see what others found compared to what I've found having owned all these cameras (Z9, A1, R5, R3). But I'd like to see the full context of the
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Jun 07, 2023 at 09:39 AM
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p.44 #2 · p.44 #2 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


twodees wrote:
I pay little attention to any of them (YT reviews) when talking AF as a degree of objectivity goes out of the window as they've either had it on a jolly and/or it's 'their' brand. I'd much rather read the opinions from some of the guys on here who will try all brands and call it as it is.



And never mind the fact that many of these YTers only have a preproduction camera in hand for days, if not only a handful of hours under the watchful eyes of a brand rep. In general, there is very little to definitively learn from these people, which I why I stand by my earlier comment of "rent or buy and make up your own mind based on YOUR shooting needs", just like Geoff does.



Jun 07, 2023 at 09:42 AM
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p.44 #3 · p.44 #3 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


I take somewhat of a multi-phased approach with new gear. The best approach is to get my hands on an item and make sure I learn the system before making final judgements. I take reviews with a grain of salt, realizing that use cases may differ between me and the reviewer and how much time did the reviewer have with the item/how well does the reviewer know the item; in short, reviews give me some insight into the item that maybe I was not already aware of through the manufacturers press release, guides, etc. but do not serve as the sole foundation for a decision. I greatly appreciate those in the FM community, most are very willing to help/share information. So thank you all for your time to help others.




Jun 07, 2023 at 11:38 AM
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p.44 #4 · p.44 #4 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


With regard to the Z8, Nikon made it very easy for me to make a decision - they essentially gave us a camera with the same internals as their flagship Z9, a tried, tested and proven system with a wealth of information already available. Had the Z8 been released with a brand new sensor and different AF system I would not have bought one so soon because I prefer the early adopters to weed out all the bugs and quirks, etc. So if you trust the Z9 takes images you can use in your shooting style, the only question left to answer is how well built is the Z8 and here I rely on Nikon's track record of excellent bodies that have served me well in both amateur and professional use over the past 15 years.


Jun 07, 2023 at 11:41 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
I would very much appreciate if people citing reviews and YT videos comparing Z9 AF to other cameras would provide links to those reviews and videos.

I see a couple comments on this page alone saying reviews placing the Z9 above A1/R3 even back on 1.0FW. I see mention of some recent YT vids where the presenter has changed their mind and is now placing Z9 above the other cameras.

I'm always interested to see what others found compared to what I've found having owned all these cameras (Z9, A1, R5, R3). But I'd like to see the full context of the
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Here are my 2 favorites of late that illustrate if one is willing to actually adjust settings as they should be instead of trying to just assume the camera is set to meet one's needs, it can kick some butt.





Jun 07, 2023 at 01:30 PM
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dcisive wrote:
Here are my 2 favorites of late that illustrate if one is willing to actually adjust settings as they should be instead of trying to just assume the camera is set to meet one's needs, it can kick some butt.


Wow, adjusting camera settings so that the camera does what you want it to based on your subject and the cameras features and ability. And then tweaking and refining as needed.

Novel concept.

It's what most of us have done for decades. Some of us for 6+ decades.



Jun 07, 2023 at 04:16 PM
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p.44 #7 · p.44 #7 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


yeah hard to believe so called "professionals" in the field woudn't have figured this one out eh?


Jun 07, 2023 at 04:37 PM
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westsdad wrote:
Wow, adjusting camera settings so that the camera does what you want it to based on your subject and the cameras features and ability. And then tweaking and refining as needed.

Novel concept.

It's what most of us have done for decades. Some of us for 6+ decades.


That's how I've always viewed an SLR - a tool I could master to get images I wanted, but in order to master I had to learn how that tool functioned and how I could use it to my best advantage given my shooting style. I wonder if those of us who shot before digital maybe had better fundamentals as a result, expecting the camera to do everything for you just seems foreign to me.



Jun 07, 2023 at 05:27 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
I would very much appreciate if people citing reviews and YT videos comparing Z9 AF to other cameras would provide links to those reviews and videos.

I see a couple comments on this page alone saying reviews placing the Z9 above A1/R3 even back on 1.0FW. I see mention of some recent YT vids where the presenter has changed their mind and is now placing Z9 above the other cameras.

I'm always interested to see what others found compared to what I've found having owned all these cameras (Z9, A1, R5, R3). But I'd like to see the full context of the
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Hereís a recent video from Sam Hurd. He says from his time with the Z8, he thinks the af is better than his R3 and isnít the type to sugar coat things or be controversial for views (doesnít even turn on comments). Heís a portrait, wedding/event photographer.
https://youtu.be/JUxoNDgjTEw



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arbitrage wrote:
I would very much appreciate if people citing reviews and YT videos comparing Z9 AF to other cameras would provide links to those reviews and videos.

I see a couple comments on this page alone saying reviews placing the Z9 above A1/R3 even back on 1.0FW. I see mention of some recent YT vids where the presenter has changed their mind and is now placing Z9 above the other cameras.

I'm always interested to see what others found compared to what I've found having owned all these cameras (Z9, A1, R5, R3). But I'd like to see the full context of the
...Show more

Meh - most of them have learned pretty quickly that it is far more lucrative on YT to pander to the broadest possible audience so they tend to highlight the positives and downplay the negatives.

Personally I find that checking what you and Fro have to say will give a more reliable indicator - at least for my use.





Jun 08, 2023 at 07:57 AM
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p.44 #11 · p.44 #11 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


A friend, who is a very accomplished wedding and event shooter, told me the other day that he was just about ready to pull the trigger on a Z9. He said that his Z7IIs are getting a bit beat up but that they do everything he wants them to do. I asked him why he hadn't bought the Z9s when they first came out and he replied (something like)...."I never buy new. The eager new gear buyers snag every new thing then fire sale them when the next thing comes out. So I will get a couple of Z9's on the used market and save a couple of thousand or more."

There is an element of truth in this. There is a pretty nice D6 for sale right now for $3K. Heck of a PJ/Sports camera for half price.



Jun 08, 2023 at 08:31 AM
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RickPJ wrote:
A friend, who is a very accomplished wedding and event shooter, told me the other day that he was just about ready to pull the trigger on a Z9. He said that his Z7IIs are getting a bit beat up but that they do everything he wants them to do. I asked him why he hadn't bought the Z9s when they first came out and he replied (something like)...."I never buy new. The eager new gear buyers snag every new thing then fire sale them when the next thing comes out. So I will get a couple of Z9's on
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This is true with almost everything technology wise, once a new model is released previous model resale drops quite a bit, the reason I invested in the Z8 is because I do not plan to get rid of it for a long time and it was worth the price of admission because I could use the features now. I debated internally for a few days on whether or not a Z8 for $4k or a used Z9 for just a few hundred more would be worth it, but in the end I prefer smaller bodies (but not too small, I struggle with MFT and even the Z6 needed the Smallrig bottom plate for my pinky) and twisting my wrist for portrait shots doesn't really bother me that much. I really have come to love my Z6 and its flexibility, but I've noticed on a number of occasions I'd prefer a bit higher megapixel count for cropping and am willing to sacrifice a bit of that high ISO noise for the extra crop freedom. Funny, back with my D700's (what brought me over to Nikon in 2008) I was perfectly happy with 12mp and was the town crier for "stop giving us more megapixels, give us better high ISO and DR". But as with all things tech, 15 years has done a lot for the quality of images these high mp sensors are putting out so will give 45mp a go and see how much I like it, if it bugs me too much the Z8 will serve me just fine until the Z6III is released which will hopefully have an edge in high ISO IQ beyond what the Z6/Z6II offer today, but I have a feeling I'm going to grow very accustomed to the advanced AF performance the Z8 provides (over Z6/Z7 series). For me, the full price for the Z8 was worth it, but I can see for others a benefit in waiting a few years for prices to come down.



Jun 08, 2023 at 12:48 PM
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sjms wrote:
i tried to get them to do that for years here. even tried the please hope you get the majority to do it.


Oh yes you have, over and over again....... I remember well.



Jun 08, 2023 at 01:30 PM
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p.44 #14 · p.44 #14 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


that's the way it goes at times. without that info it leaves room for a level of "factuality adjustment".



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Jun 08, 2023 at 01:36 PM
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RickPJ wrote:
A friend, who is a very accomplished wedding and event shooter, told me the other day that he was just about ready to pull the trigger on a Z9. He said that his Z7IIs are getting a bit beat up but that they do everything he wants them to do. I asked him why he hadn't bought the Z9s when they first came out and he replied (something like)...."I never buy new. The eager new gear buyers snag every new thing then fire sale them when the next thing comes out. So I will get a couple of Z9's on
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Sorry, it's not half price. It's the current market price. Even that, it's questionable, since a used D6 for $3k may very well be considered overpriced considering you can get a new Z8 for $4k.

Now if your point is that you could do the same task for half the cost compared to several years ago, sure. But in that regard, your friend shouldn't even buy a used Z9 then. He should stick to buying a used Z7II since it does everything he needs to do, and will cost way less.

So I agree there is "an element of truth". Just a little.



Jun 08, 2023 at 01:53 PM
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p.44 #16 · p.44 #16 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera!


There are 4 kinds of photographers. Who ...
1 - use what they have, till the thing dies
2 - wait till used prices drop into their comfort level
3 - like trying the latest and greatest
4 - don't own anything but fill up pages on forums with their "opinion"

It's all good, it's all ok. Nobody is smarter than the others. I used to be 1, now between 2 and 3. Hope I never reach 4.



Jun 08, 2023 at 02:19 PM
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no, there's more than 4 types.


Jun 08, 2023 at 06:18 PM
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