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 p.4 #9 · p.4 #9 · Nikon unveils the highly anticipated Z8 camera! | |
ilkka_nissila wrote:
I also don't have any statistics about what the customers want, but I do know that a bunch of people have been complaining about the Z9's weight and seemed to want the same thing in a smaller package, which the Z8 delivers.
As for a Z6 III, there is the question of whether it makes sense for Nikon to spend the money for the costly development of another stacked sensor to differentiate it from the Z8. And if they were to do it, would it be any cheaper? Likely there would be very little difference in price.
Without stacked sensor, how much can the Z6 series AF improve, only by replacing the dual Expeed 6's with one Expeed 7, and would this satisfy users?
Although the Z8's nominal battery rating seems low, practical experience with other Z cameras suggests that the real-world number of shots will be much higher (say 1500 seems realistic) so for most people this is likely to be sufficient, but for long video takes or all-day photography, one would need several batteries. In this case the Z9 may be more appropriate.
In Europe the XQD and CF Express cards are very expensive compared to United States, so having SD card option can be a big deal for some. Also some customers can require delivery of images on card while the event is still going on, so SD again works for those rather than giving and not necessarily getting back expensive CFexpress / XQD cards....Show more →
@ArizonaImage "Nice.. but not the camera most Nikon users were waiting for" -- you and I speak to very different people -- I suspect by most people you me you......
@ilkka_nissila -- Nice post -- but the real question for the Z6/Z7 family models is the price point of the target market and what technology this buys.
It is entirely likely that a Stacked BSI CMOS sensor and all the tech required to make it work without a shutter costs so much that $3,999 plus tax is a fair.
There is no evidence that simply reducing the sensor size to DX (for those of you who want a D500 replacement that works like a Z8/Z9) will significantly reduce the price -- I could make the case that since those few shooters who seem to want this body REALLY want a 30+MP sensor (the DX crop on the Z8/Z9 is 19.5MP) so there would need to be a new version of this sensor with at least 160% pixel density of the current sensor -- 72.4mp effective in Full Frame AND this simply does not exist to day. So when ever such emerges then the price will most likely be higher than the Z8.
Now if one accepts that the Z6 and Z7 family will always have a shutter then cheaper sensors could be used. BUT will they deliver the performance or by how much would the performance degrade by the vuse of a slower sensor -- with AF readings ever 1/120th of a second be possible even if an Expeed 7 and other pipes from a Z9/Z8 are used.
Sure there is no technical reason why a 61mp Z7iii with shutter could not be delivered -- why one would want one is not really relevant - but assuming one does then OK -- another direct competitor for the A7RV emerges. We know this sensor gets hot. AND would it have to be for sale at less than $3,000 body only?
Then in the Z6iii space -- some folk are quoting "Nikon will not produce another 24mp sensor" -- really -- why? Well is this because they want to offer 6k video -- would the price need to be below $2,000 - how much more will folk pay for 31mp and 6k 10-bit. A Z5ii will come at some point with 24mp presumably - how does Nikon differentiate between these low capable bodies.
The questions for the Z6iii, Z7iii and Z5ii are about the direction of travel for lower priced and less capable bodies - what can be done for the money and what is the market.
I would hope that folk can work out that they simply cannot expect to get more from Nikon for the bodies you own free -- yes that is you Z6ii/Z7ii owners who desperately want firmware more updates that will give you Z9 levels of AF -- BTW I own both -- It is just not going to happen.
The Z6/Z7 sensors and Expeed 6 chips (even 2 of them) are just way way to slow and underpowered. It is time to go and shoot and then decide when successor bodies come out -- or move on... just please stop whining.
I find that the Z7 and Z6ii work great -- provided that you understand their limitations and how to use them.
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