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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Every once in a while we get lucky and find a very cooperative subject that likes posing for the camera.
I couldn't stop clicking on this guy yesterday morning.

Some of these hit crazy high ISO's but didn't look too bad. After running them through the new LR denoise, I think they cleaned up nicely. Definitely saying goodbye to DXO PR and Topaz now.
Dave

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RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM + EXTENDER RF1.4x

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RSH 2

ISO 8,000

RSH 1

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RSH 6

ISO 6,400

RSH 4

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May 08, 2023 at 09:22 AM
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Super detail Dave and lovely compositions and exposures.

The high ISO images did clean up very well. My attempt at cleaning the images with the new ACR noise reduction resulted in meh detail. Did you have to use trial and error to get these nice results? Did you follow a script or instructions from a video and which one(s)?

Morris




May 08, 2023 at 09:37 AM
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Wow, those are awesome! Your "clicking away" paid off nicely, pretty sure the photog had something to do with it too, heh.

But yeah, as far as high ISO goes, I guess the new AI in LR denoise is pretty darn good!

I'm still on CC15 perpetual software, which means I have to do an Adobe DNG conversion of my RAW files so I can bring them into the version of ACR, that is compatible with my CC15. It's an extra step, but I can do it in one batch, so it's not a big deal. But... I've been paying for Topaz updates, and now you're saying I could have the latest Adobe, and drop Topaz for roughly the same price, and do it all in one place? Hmmm... tempting.

How different is using LR to my old Adobe CC15 I wonder? I haven't looked at LR in forever... time to do some research.

Thanks for posting,
Eric



May 08, 2023 at 09:47 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Red Shouldered Hawk


morris wrote:
Super detail Dave and lovely compositions and exposures.

The high ISO images did clean up very well. My attempt at cleaning the images with the new ACR noise reduction resulted in meh detail. Did you have to use trial and error to get these nice results? Did you follow a script or instructions from a video and which one(s)?

Morris



Thanks Morris. No scripts or videos, just played around with a couple images with different settings to see what the end result would be. I did try to go conservatively and left a little graininess in a couple.
Dave



May 08, 2023 at 05:21 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Stellar results.
I think LR is still limited in applying Denoise to RAW files only.




May 08, 2023 at 05:31 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Amazing details and clarity, Dave!

Karl



May 08, 2023 at 09:07 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Dave, Great set and well done, I try LR Denoise

Chris S.



May 09, 2023 at 12:05 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Super set ! My high ISO images never look that good . Great job Dave.

John



May 09, 2023 at 08:54 AM
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Erictator wrote:
Wow, those are awesome! Your "clicking away" paid off nicely, pretty sure the photog had something to do with it too, heh.

But yeah, as far as high ISO goes, I guess the new AI in LR denoise is pretty darn good!

I'm still on CC15 perpetual software, which means I have to do an Adobe DNG conversion of my RAW files so I can bring them into the version of ACR, that is compatible with my CC15. It's an extra step, but I can do it in one batch, so it's not a big deal. But... I've been paying for
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Thanks for the kind words Eric, I appreciate it.

I'm all about simplifying my work flow so if I can stay inside LR without having to go into a 3rd party program then I'm happy. The new denoise feature in LR may not be perfect yet but I'm sure they will continue to improve it and it's already plenty good enough for me. I actually stopped using Topaz about a year ago because the results (on my version) were usually pretty nasty with blotchy BG's. DXO PR has been my goto NR program but it was somewhat of a drag using it and it over sharpened images even though I had it turned off.

The latest version of LR is vastly improved over CC15. Just the masking features alone are worth the price of admission IMHO. I rarely use PS for anything anymore but for $10/mo it's nice to have both LR and PS in the tool box.
Watch some videos on the latest LR features before you dive in, but I'm pretty sure you'll see the advantages over what your running right now.
Dave



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cs3is wrote:
Stellar results.
I think LR is still limited in applying Denoise to RAW files only.



Thanks Casey. I'm personally ok with RAW only as that's all I ever shoot. If noise is a concern then I'm not sure if shooting jpegs is the best choice for folks. Depends on their needs I suppose.

Dave



May 09, 2023 at 08:59 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Great detail in these images. And a good example of how far things have come to be able to shoot at these ISO setting and come away with such images.

The LR denoise feature is certainly a welcome addition. Currently it is slower than DxO PL6. And results are not quite as good. Particularly if there is a DxO optics module for camera/lens used. PL6 does a good job at default setting and the interface with LR is pretty seamless. Using the feature in LR requires a bit of trial and error tweaking the slider. Though the sample window updates in real time to it works pretty darn well. But no doubt after a couple of update cycles Adobe will continue to improve and third party NR software won't be necessary.

Regarding only working on RAW files that's really the key to the newer AI versions of NR software. The denoising is done on the RAW data during the conversion process. The further upstream denoising occurs the more effective it is and you can't push it further upstream than during RAW conversion.



May 09, 2023 at 09:37 AM
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lighthound wrote:
Thanks for the kind words Eric, I appreciate it.

I'm all about simplifying my work flow so if I can stay inside LR without having to go into a 3rd party program then I'm happy. The new denoise feature in LR may not be perfect yet but I'm sure they will continue to improve it and it's already plenty good enough for me. I actually stopped using Topaz about a year ago because the results (on my version) were usually pretty nasty with blotchy BG's. DXO PR has been my goto NR program but it was somewhat of a drag
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Thanks so much for taking the time to type that out Dave, Very much appreciated! YouTube here I come to watch some LR videos! heh.

Yeah, I'm doing so many extra steps right now that PP has become a huge chore and mental block for me. First I cull down and delete obvious bad junk in Sony Edit viewer. Then DNG Convert the remaining batch/then ACR//then CC15 for final tweaks w/ Topaz plugin and final Crop to jpg. (I know IQ would be better upstream with Topaz on initial RAW, but it does weird things to my RAW settings after I tweak exposure and temperature etc in ACR and Topaz throws everything way off, and that is WITH Topaz set to leave my RAW settings intact) Ugh... I actually find myself wanting to limit what I shoot so I don't have to go through all that PP. So PP has become a real chore...and that's NOT a good thing. If I could do it ALL in one place like LR, well, that would be HUGE for me.

The other problem isn't so much a problem, it's just a new reality that I have to adjust to...It's the keeper rate with my new camera, it's so high, I don't need anywhere near as many safety shots as my old DSLR, and that is a hard habit to break. I can slow down now and concentrate more on the image itself than just trying to get "one" good out of a zillion or 20 shots of each pose change, a couple extra will be more than enough. It'll just take time for me to trust the equipment I guess, but man, I've never filled a 64gb card so fast in my life as with the RV in H+ shutter mode. 10fps at 61mp is fun, but it has consequences. I don't know what those guys with the A1 do at 30FPS. It almost makes me glad I don't have one, I'd be my own worst enemy and not be able to resist using it, then be chained to my desk for a week after a photo shoot! !

Thanks again,
Eric



May 09, 2023 at 01:05 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Clean, crisp, and beautiful set.

Carol



May 09, 2023 at 03:03 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Red Shouldered Hawk


DivineFocus wrote:
Great detail in these images. And a good example of how far things have come to be able to shoot at these ISO setting and come away with such images.

The LR denoise feature is certainly a welcome addition. Currently it is slower than DxO PL6. And results are not quite as good. Particularly if there is a DxO optics module for camera/lens used. PL6 does a good job at default setting and the interface with LR is pretty seamless. Using the feature in LR requires a bit of trial and error tweaking the slider. Though the sample window updates in
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Thanks Dan. I've not used PL6 but I've heard good things about it. I'm content using LR for now. At least from what I've seen so far.

Dave
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Thanks so much for taking the time to type that out Dave, Very much appreciated! YouTube here I come to watch some LR videos! heh.

Yeah, I'm doing so many extra steps right now that PP has become a huge chore and mental block for me. First I cull down and delete obvious bad junk in Sony Edit viewer. Then DNG Convert the remaining batch/then ACR//then CC15 for final tweaks w/ Topaz plugin and final Crop to jpg. (I know IQ would be better upstream with Topaz on initial RAW, but it does weird things to my RAW settings after
...Show more

Right there with you as far as hating the culling process. It can suck the wind right out of your sails before you ever get to processing any images.
One tactic I'm trying to force myself to do is to NOT scan through and delete any images at first. Rather, scan for and 4 star rate any images that you like. Then display/filter only the 4 star rated images and start narrowing them down to the very best by lowering the star rating of any that don't hold up against the others. Some time at a later date go back through them and delete any you have no love for.
Dave
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CDalessandro wrote:
Clean, crisp, and beautiful set.

Carol

Thanks for the kind words Carol.
Dave



May 10, 2023 at 03:20 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Red Shouldered Hawk


Great set! I am very impressed with the IQ at such high ISOs, especially 32K! I love my R5 more and more every time I pick it up. Oh, and ISO 52K...now you are just showing off :P


May 11, 2023 at 07:59 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Red Shouldered Hawk


A beautiful set, nice clean crisp images, very well done Dave.


May 11, 2023 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Red Shouldered Hawk


RKnecht wrote:
Great set! I am very impressed with the IQ at such high ISOs, especially 32K! I love my R5 more and more every time I pick it up. Oh, and ISO 52K...now you are just showing off :P


Thanks and yes, you and me both Rich. Almost 3 years later and I still shake my head in disbelief of this cameras capabilities.
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louie champan wrote:
A beautiful set, nice clean crisp images, very well done Dave.


Thanks Louie. I appreciate you kind words.
Dave



May 13, 2023 at 04:40 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Red Shouldered Hawk


You got a great unobstructed view of this beauty. Really love #2.
Gary



May 14, 2023 at 07:46 AM







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