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Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

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p.11 #1 · p.11 #1 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

hoodlum90 wrote:
I wonder how the Tensor Cores compare between card generations. I would think the 240 Tensor Cores in the 4070 would be faster than the 240 Tensor Cores in the 2060.

They are listed as Gen 2 vs Gen 3 vs Gen 4 for the 20/30/40 series. Not sure what that means. Clock speeds, interface, memory and bandwidth change a lot of course, especially in the 40 series.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/compare/

Apr 29, 2023 at 05:15 AM

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p.11 #2 · p.11 #2 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

My Canon R in Japan. ISO 40,000. If this is the first release then what is coming down the road?

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After DeNoise. Look at that detail in the door handles.

Sky was still a little noisy so masked it and reduced sharpening and noise

Apr 29, 2023 at 06:11 AM

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p.11 #3 · p.11 #3 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Since I knew I could fix the sky with masking and to achieve a less plasticky look I did another Denoise with the slider at 35. Lots of control.

Apr 29, 2023 at 06:21 AM

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p.11 #4 · p.11 #4 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Just update my video card from GTX 960, 4GB, to RTX3060 TI, 8GB. The denoise process running from 35 minutes to 20 seconds for Z7/Z9 45 M Files.

I was struggling to use Topaz AI or upgrade GPU, but finally decided to upgrade GPU. GPU upgrade benefit the denoise and all of the performances on my 8 year old PC, dell xps 8900,i7-6700/32GB RAM, can keep alive another couple of years.

thanks for the thread - point out the GPU intensive process for the Lightroom denoise ...

Roger

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May 02, 2023 at 11:17 AM

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p.11 #5 · p.11 #5 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Quick test from a Z7II file.
Specs:
i5-9600K 6-core 3.7GHz
32GB RAM
RTX 2080

Took 35 seconds @ "50" setting (while also on a Zoom). Snappy and I'm pretty impressed with the results.

NIKON Z 7_2 NIKKOR Z 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 VR S lens 300mm f/5.3 1/320s 20000 ISO 0.0 EV

May 02, 2023 at 05:34 PM

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p.11 #6 · p.11 #6 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

FWIW -

Took this image with an A7R4 at 12,800.
Zero'd the file and Denoised in LR. All adjustments applied to the DNG.
By the time I finished processing I had a noisy image.
Tried playing with the manual denoise controls but they did nothing.
Sent the file to Topaz Denoise AI and it cleaned up nicely.

Perhaps denoising should take place after significant tonal adjustments.

TWA Hotel by David F. Panno, on Flickr

May 03, 2023 at 07:47 AM

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p.11 #7 · p.11 #7 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

If Topaz works better for you then you need to use what does do so. Adobe says not to apply Denoise after heavy editing. You ca try it. Can you show an example? What was your process? This is 12,800 at 300%.

Original

Back in LrC with pretty aggressive texture, sharpening and detail.

I added masking

Final

Original after applying Denoise

May 03, 2023 at 09:03 AM

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p.11 #8 · p.11 #8 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

The other day I was messing around with a few night shots I recently took. ISO 40,000 and I applied aggressive sharpening. Too aggressive for this but I was just messing around. Masking was set to 70.

Canon EOS R6m2 RF24-105mm F4 L IS USM lens 24mm f/5.6 1/250s 40000 ISO -0.7 EV

May 03, 2023 at 09:11 AM

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p.11 #9 · p.11 #9 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Zenon Char wrote:
If Topaz works better for you then you need to use what does do so. Adobe says not to apply Denoise after heavy editing. You ca try it. Can you show an example? What was your process? This is 12,800 at 300%.

As stated above:

"Zero'd the file and Denoised in LR. All adjustments applied to the DNG."

I know what Adobe says but that didn't work well for this image.

It required further denosing after my adjustments - raising the brightness by 1.5 stops, tone curve, sharpening, etc.

I don't have an explanation.

In any case the point of the post is that you can do additional denoising to the .dng with Topaz Denoise AI if, for whatever oddball reason, you end up with a noisy result.

I found no degradation to the dng after doing so....

May 03, 2023 at 09:23 AM

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p.11 #10 · p.11 #10 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

DaveFP wrote:
As stated above:

"Zero'd the file and Denoised in LR. All adjustments applied to the DNG."

I know what Adobe says but that didn't work well for this image.

It required further denosing after my adjustments - raising the brightness by 1.5 stops, tone curve, sharpening, etc.

I don't have an explanation.

In any case the point of the post is that you can do additional denoising to the .dng with Topaz Denoise AI if, for whatever oddball reason, you end up with a noisy result.

I found no degradation to the dng after doing so....

I see. I find the masking slider in LrC is the key resolves most issues if some noise is still there when it comes back. I'd like ask if you tried higher amount in Denoise but it's fine if you are settled with your results.

May 03, 2023 at 10:00 AM

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p.11 #11 · p.11 #11 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Zenon Char wrote:
I see. I find the masking slider in LrC is the key resolves most issues if some noise is still there when it comes back. I'd like ask if you tried higher amount in Denoise but it's fine if you are settled with your results.

The masking slider in the Detail panel? I use it regularly.

Yes - I could have gone back and applied more aggressive denoising to the raw but I wasn't sure that I could copy/paste the settings of the dng to a new dng.

Probably can but I was curious to see if Topaz could finesse the remaining noise without consequence.

I have to try the dng to dng copy/paste.

May 03, 2023 at 10:51 AM

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p.11 #12 · p.11 #12 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

DaveFP wrote:
As stated above:

"Zero'd the file and Denoised in LR. All adjustments applied to the DNG."

I know what Adobe says but that didn't work well for this image.

It required further denosing after my adjustments - raising the brightness by 1.5 stops, tone curve, sharpening, etc.

I don't have an explanation.

In any case the point of the post is that you can do additional denoising to the .dng with Topaz Denoise AI if, for whatever oddball reason, you end up with a noisy result.

I found no degradation to the dng after doing so....

Yeah it seems like you had to push it too far--it's really more like an ISO 40,000 shot at that point, and that's a tough pill to swallow for most programs. I'm curious how it would have looked if you did a straight-up processing from the raw with Topaz. One thing I have not liked at all with Topaz is that skies or other smooth backgrounds get blotchy when the ISO is really high. So far the LRC version of denoise seems to deal with that a lot better than Topaz.

May 03, 2023 at 11:17 AM

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p.11 #13 · p.11 #13 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

I can't do comparisons anymore. I removed Topaz DeNoise AI, Photo AI and Gigapixel and I only have Sharpen AI left. I could re-install DeNoise AI but I'm moving on even if it is better. I was going to decide between Photo AI and PureRaw this fall but I even removed PR.

Too bad as Photo AI was getting pretty darned good and they have about 20 updates to go before the annual maintenance fee. I looked at my account and they will want $99 for all the apps package which is not bad. I doubt we will be able to get support for the individual apps anymore which are pretty mature. I'll just run Sharpen AI until new cameras lose support. I don't use it very much anyway. Maybe Adobe will add will add Sharpen AI some day.

May 03, 2023 at 12:35 PM

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p.11 #14 · p.11 #14 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Zenon Char wrote:
I can't do comparisons anymore. I removed Topaz DeNoise AI, Photo AI and Gigapixel and I only have Sharpen AI left. I could re-install DeNoise AI but I'm moving on even if it is better. I was going to decide between Photo AI and PureRaw this fall but I even removed PR.

Too bad as Photo AI was getting pretty darned good and they have about 20 updates to go before the annual maintenance fee. I looked at my account and they will want $99 for all the apps package which is not bad. I doubt we will be...Show more →

I had been opening RAW files Photo AI for the last 6 months. Just occurred to me that you can only open a file as TIFF, etc in Sharpen AI so camera support won't matter.

May 03, 2023 at 01:23 PM

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p.11 #15 · p.11 #15 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Continuing to stress test it just for fun. This is not a crop that I'd use for anything but IG but still fun to squeeze out a nice image for social media out of a nothing shot with insane crop.

Denoised at 50 and used photoshop to upres 250% (also typically if you're uprezing this much you're in trouble).

May 03, 2023 at 07:50 PM

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p.11 #16 · p.11 #16 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Just ordered an RTX 3060 / 12GB to replace the old Quadro P2000 / 5GB (no Tensor cores) that only fired up Denoise occasionally even with the latest driver. Good reports on processing times with 2060/3050/3060 GPUs even with older systems. Puget built mine in 2018 and just overnighted power interconnects for the GPU. Good support for such an old system.

With any luck this will let me hold off a system upgrade until M3 Studios or equivalent PCs are out in a couple of years.

May 04, 2023 at 08:13 AM

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p.11 #17 · p.11 #17 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

GPU just arrived (MSI RTX 3060 / 12GB). Install went OK, driver updated to latest Studio. Only run 1 testfile in LRC so far but from 3-4 minutes it dropped to ~30 seconds. I can live with that ...

May 05, 2023 at 05:22 PM

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p.11 #18 · p.11 #18 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

Just an example of how remarkably good this new denoise really is.

May 05, 2023 at 07:44 PM

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p.11 #19 · p.11 #19 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

jhapeman wrote:
Just an example of how remarkably good this new denoise really is.

This is just a start.

What’s next?

Denoise is our third Enhance feature. We’re proud of what it can do today, but we’re already looking ahead to make it even better. For instance, we have some ideas on how to use additional training data to improve resolution.

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/04/18/denoise-demystified

May 05, 2023 at 10:33 PM

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p.11 #20 · p.11 #20 · Lightroom Classic AI Denoise (12.3)

They also need to work with Apple to get the Neural Cores working properly. Presumably this will speed up M1/M2 devices.

May 06, 2023 at 04:26 AM

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