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Jerky_san wrote:
So ran this same test three this time paying attention to the shutter rates and other things a lot more and attempting to remove me from the equation threw it on auto and let the camera figure its thing out. ISO was very low(around 100) shutter speed varies slightly but most around 1/800. It's literally a very bright clear day out so should have no issues. I know I should probably do a mechanical shutter for this test but frankly, I bought an A1 to use the electronic so electronic shutter..

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Well, if you want the best tracking you need a Sony lens, e.g. 70-200GM II .
Tamron is not bad at it but it lags behind native Sonys a bit...



May 18, 2023 at 03:13 PM
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This doesn’t sound right at all. I assume your AF was on "human" and the eye AF was engaged?
A few days ago, I took a series of pictures of a medium sized dog running really fast, almost flying, straight at me, using the Tamron 35-150 on A1, shooting at 15 fps. At least two-thirds of the pictures were in focus, that I accept as a very satisfactory performance for a 3rd party lens on a subject moving very rapidly toward the camera (yes, the 70-200 GM II, could do much better).
Your experience might be due to the lens more likely than due to a camera fault. If you have another lens available, preferably one with a proven ability to focus fast, you may want to repeat the test, to definitively rule out the camera as a source of the problems.


Jerky_san wrote:
So ran this same test three this time paying attention to the shutter rates and other things a lot more and attempting to remove me from the equation threw it on auto and let the camera figure its thing out. ISO was very low(around 100) shutter speed varies slightly but most around 1/800. It's literally a very bright clear day out so should have no issues. I know I should probably do a mechanical shutter for this test but frankly, I bought an A1 to use the electronic so electronic shutter..

First Test The kid is in the center of
...Show more



May 18, 2023 at 04:34 PM
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ruthenium wrote:
This doesn’t sound right at all. I assume your AF was on "human" and the eye AF was engaged?
A few days ago, I took a series of pictures of a medium sized dog running really fast, almost flying, straight at me, using the Tamron 35-150 on A1, shooting at 15 fps. At least two-thirds of the pictures were in focus, that I accept as a very satisfactory performance for a 3rd party lens on a subject moving very rapidly toward the camera (yes, the 70-200 GM II, could do much better).
Your experience might be due to the lens more likely
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Yes to the af and human but keep in mind I'm using a Samyang not the Tamron. I'm thinking of sending the Samyang back and just biting the expensive Tamron bullet.



May 18, 2023 at 09:04 PM
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Jerky_san wrote:
Yes to the af and human but keep in mind I'm using a Samyang not the Tamron. I'm thinking of sending the Samyang back and just biting the expensive Tamron bullet.


I can only add your AF results reflect mine when it comes to tracking on those new SY "linear" motors. I'm playing around with SY85/14 AF II, which I think has the same motors as SY35-150, and surprisingly they seem to track worse than my old stepper Sigma 85/1.4 DN (SY is a bit faster though).



May 19, 2023 at 07:53 AM
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j4nu wrote:
I can only add your AF results reflect mine when it comes to tracking on those new SY "linear" motors. I'm playing around with SY85/14 AF II, which I think has the same motors as SY35-150, and surprisingly they seem to track worse than my old stepper Sigma 85/1.4 DN (SY is a bit faster though).



If you figure anything out tell me, please. So far I can't seem to get it to do right and it seems it's just slow at auto focus tbh.



May 19, 2023 at 11:07 AM
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p.10 #6 · p.10 #6 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


I have a SY 50mm AF II and it has similar AF issues with fast moving subjects. The optics on my second copy are excellent, but the AF with fast moving children, etc is not great. Works fine for slower moving subjects.


May 19, 2023 at 12:03 PM
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dwh1312 wrote:
I have a SY 50mm AF II and it has similar AF issues with fast moving subjects. The optics on my second copy are excellent, but the AF with fast moving children, etc is not great. Works fine for slower moving subjects.


I assume the tamron with it's "linear" af is much better?



May 19, 2023 at 01:02 PM
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p.10 #8 · p.10 #8 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Jerky_san wrote:
I assume the tamron with it's "linear" af is much better?


i don't know about "much" better, but yes, because it's a true linear voice coil af motor.

what samyang calls "linear" starts out as a crappy stepper motor, that has to convert circular rotation from the stepper motor into a back-and-forth movement that drives the lens elements in a linear fashion.

they do that with the gear-driven slide arrangement you see in this photo... it's inaccurate and sloppy, and of course there will be wear on the gears, so the performance will continue to deteriorate as you use the lens.

the second photo is of a now-obsolete tamron stepper motor, in a lens that they are selling to nikon, where it's severely marked up... you can see the gear drive better; tamron now uses true linear voice coil af motors.








May 19, 2023 at 02:21 PM
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p.10 #9 · p.10 #9 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Already sent one back and got my refund. Af couldn't keep up for weddings.


May 19, 2023 at 02:47 PM
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Confusedface wrote:
Already sent one back and got my refund. Af couldn't keep up for weddings.


I guess I'm sending mine back as well if it fails at a birthday I have to go to this weekend. To late to order the tamron for it..



May 19, 2023 at 03:31 PM
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osv2 wrote:
what samyang calls "linear" starts out as a crappy stepper motor,

I don't understand why they did it? I have the Samyang 85/F1.4 first version that supposed to be the only Samyang with the true linear motor and the AF is ok (still a little bit worse than Tamron). After reading all the user reviews I'll rather go for the Tamron (I have 15 percent discount), as the copy variation seems to be bad and AF use the slow motors.

I am not happy by that, I own 85/F1.4 and 135/F1.8, both are very good, but it seems as the 35-150 zoom is too complex for the rather poor Samyang quality control.



May 19, 2023 at 04:49 PM
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Puppy2022 wrote:
I don't understand why they did it? I have the Samyang 85/F1.4 first version that supposed to be the only Samyang with the true linear motor and the AF is ok (still a little bit worse than Tamron). After reading all the user reviews I'll rather go for the Tamron (I have 15 percent discount), as the copy variation seems to be bad and AF use the slow motors.

I am not happy by that, I own 85/F1.4 and 135/F1.8, both are very good, but it seems as the 35-150 zoom is too complex for the rather poor Samyang quality control.


#_# yeah.. it's my first samyang lens and I was hoping for a game changer given some of the videos I watched but guess I was hoping for too much or something. Just to ask is the 15% off open to everyone or some sort of employee discount? (assuming it's not open to everyone but figured I'd ask)..



May 19, 2023 at 05:10 PM
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p.10 #13 · p.10 #13 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Jerky_san wrote:
Just to ask is the 15% off open to everyone or some sort of employee discount? (assuming it's not open to everyone but figured I'd ask)..


It is a limited offer of local photo gear shop for people who attend their promo events.



May 19, 2023 at 05:19 PM
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Puppy2022 wrote:
It is a limited offer of local photo gear shop for people who attend their promo events.


Doh.. well was worth asking lol.. I do see they have edu discounts.. and seems like they will allow teachers to buy it. I bet I could go that route. Won't be 15% but hey.. discount is a discount..



May 19, 2023 at 05:21 PM
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p.10 #15 · p.10 #15 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Another issue for me is that the Samyang isn't supported by DxO. I need the PureRAW for low-light pictures.


May 20, 2023 at 02:20 AM
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p.10 #16 · p.10 #16 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Puppy2022 wrote:
Another issue for me is that the Samyang isn't supported by DxO. I need the PureRAW for low-light pictures.


Very little difference. You still use PureRAW but you do not get lens corrections.




May 20, 2023 at 04:32 AM
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p.10 #17 · p.10 #17 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Puppy2022 wrote:
I don't understand why they did it? I have the Samyang 85/F1.4 first version that supposed to be the only Samyang with the true linear motor and the AF is ok (still a little bit worse than Tamron).


My theory is that they got good results from using their current motors in the tiny series and it's cheaper to stick to 1 motor type when it comes to R&D / improving software, even though going with the linear motor from the 85mm would have been a better choice for the larger lenses. I owned it both on Canon RF and then on Sony after I switched, and it was the most reliable/accurate results I've had with their lenses, whereas on every other model of theirs I had fewer keepers in more difficult situations compared to Tamron and Sigma.



May 20, 2023 at 05:46 AM
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p.10 #18 · p.10 #18 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Did original SY85/1.4 AF really have linear motor? I compared it to 85DN (stepper) at the time and it didn't seem more precise or faster...
Hmm, according to Samyang it did:

Fast and efficient autofocus with DLSM Technology

DLSM (Dual Linear Sonic Motor) works with ultrasonic vibrations, which cannot be heard by human ears, to successfully give a silent autofocus performance. The accurate high frequency signals, controlled with Samyang’s own protocols, precisely operate the DLSM. Specialists in optics, mechanical engineering, and electronics, have researched cooperatively to give these powerful results for a short telephoto lens. The introduction of DLSM technology on an 85mm lens means you can comfortably and silently capture the subjects you want, with quick efficiency.


Weird, the new "linear" motor seems faster...



May 22, 2023 at 09:16 AM
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p.10 #19 · p.10 #19 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


I'm sending mine back for a refund soon. Going to just get the Tamron as the AF speed just isn't there. I regret not buying the Tamron when it was 300$ off on Amazon but honestly, a lens isn't worth anything if it misses the shot. The creep is back though not nearly as bad but it's mostly about the AF at this point and it missing shots constantly or not being as sharp as I'd expect.

Btw

<- found this over the weekend..



May 22, 2023 at 09:51 AM
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p.10 #20 · p.10 #20 · Samyang 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8


Jerky_san wrote:
I'm sending mine back for a refund soon. Going to just get the Tamron as the AF speed just isn't there. I regret not buying the Tamron when it was 300$ off on Amazon but honestly, a lens isn't worth anything if it misses the shot. The creep is back though not nearly as bad but it's mostly about the AF at this point and it missing shots constantly or not being as sharp as I'd expect.

Btw

<- found this over the weekend..


That looks similar to some short clips I recorded on SY85II. I'd say there is some hope left as SY is known to release multiple fw updates for their lenses...



May 22, 2023 at 11:27 AM
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