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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · DPReview going away


Very very sad. I was a big fan of Phil. And Rob Galbraith. Both excellent photo people who had great sites.

Other than convenience I am no fan of Amazon or Jeff Bezos. I'm on a mission to rid myself of giving him money. They trashed the site over the years and apparently ran it into the ground. Which really sucks. I wish they would have sold it to someone who would have turned it back into what it was. I'm hoping someone out there steps up and creates a new site now. There needs to be a central place for news and reviews (not youtube).




Mar 21, 2023 at 12:37 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · DPReview going away


Sad news. I spent a decent amount of time there.


Mar 21, 2023 at 12:46 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · DPReview going away


I expected Amazon to shut it down years ago - as that is often the course of action when a huge company purchases a blog.

They had some great in-depth tech details and camera tests which will be missed.

I am guessing Chris and Jordan will launch their own site in 3...2...1...



Mar 21, 2023 at 12:50 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · DPReview going away


Really sad. FM and DP review are the two sites I visit during my morning cup of coffee. My coffee won't taste the same anymore


Mar 21, 2023 at 12:55 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · DPReview going away


I'm a new user on FM, just came over from DPReview after hearing of its impending closure

Nice to meet all of you



Mar 21, 2023 at 01:01 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · DPReview going away


Good riddance to them and the horrible moderators the only thing more fake then their reviews are the reviews on Amazon.


Mar 21, 2023 at 01:04 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · DPReview going away


DPR closing down isn't a big shock to me although I didn't expect it to be this soon and so suddenly. I have been a member there since 2005 and have seen it become a shadow of its former self in the past eighteen years. In the height of the DSLR era there would be so many posts in the Canon forums daily that I couldn't keep up with them all. Now it takes me about fifteen minutes to scan them all. Add in that they likely have some high paid talent doing reviews and other jobs there and this probably made their financial model unsustainable. Look for an influx of new people here coming from DPR. I hope the character of the forums here does not become more like the forums have been there as a result.


Mar 21, 2023 at 01:05 PM
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CanadaMark wrote:
DPR went downhill a long time ago after Phil left and the sale to Amazon. Way back in the day, it was THE place for camera reviews, before DSLRs were commonplace and high-end bridge cameras were still popular, like the old Coolpix 8800. Their news stories are often too late to be relevant, and their forums and comment sections are about 80% arguments between people who don't even own the gear in question. There used to be a handful of incredibly knowledgeable forum contributors there on some very specific technical topics and all of them left because it was just
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Yep, I really haven't seen DPR content of much value for a long time. Their reviews were very late and often didn't really cover what I cared about. Information from users on forums was typically more timely and detailed than DPR's formal reviews these days.

Chris and Jordan's videos are entertaining and of high quality - and this is coming from someone who tends to hate video reviews of things - so I have to imagine they will land someplace where they can continue to monetize said content.

I'll miss the scene comparison tool as well, but to be honest for a number of years I've mostly used it just to illustrate there really aren't any significant differences between sensors anymore (beyond their size and resolution of course).

The forums at DPR were of course a mixed bag. Indeed, most of the valuable contributors have been driven away over time in a lot of the forums (not all of them though, some of the non-brand related forums were still quite functional with excellent contributing members). The moderation was weak at best and the place is largely full of trolls. But you could usually get a quick and useful answer to a well stated question there.

It will be interesting to see where the user base migrates to. If they come here there will need to be some heavy moderation and bans I suspect. A lot of FM users are here because they gave up on DPR a long time ago and the forums have only gotten worse over time. But with care if FM can absorb the well behaved part of the DPR user base it will make FM a more active place. And really, as we all know 95% of the users are delightful people and it is the 5% or less of trolls that just need an IP ban that DPR moderators would rarely implement.



Mar 21, 2023 at 01:07 PM
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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · DPReview going away


macwest wrote:
Good riddance to them and the horrible moderators the only thing more fake then their reviews are the reviews on Amazon.


I agree. Part of the reason for the decrease in traffic there was due to poor moderation.



Mar 21, 2023 at 01:11 PM
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macwest wrote:
Good riddance to them and the horrible moderators the only thing more fake then their reviews are the reviews on Amazon.


Yep most of the mods were A$$holes while trolls were left to do whatever they wanted.



Mar 21, 2023 at 01:16 PM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · DPReview going away


I was very active at DPreview until the forums became a "fight club" site.

The comparison tooll will be missed, that was the only reason I reached DPreview.

Marcelo

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Mar 21, 2023 at 01:20 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · DPReview going away


Bummer, while far from perfect I thought they had improved a bit over the past 5 years and I liked the film section.

No matter your take on it, that is millions of hours of people's efforts and lives to be thrown away in our throw away society and this is why I never put too much effort into online forums, it's my time and expertise but someone else's decision in what happens to that effort.

Not good.




Mar 21, 2023 at 01:22 PM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · DPReview going away


Yep...back at Miranda..it's been awhile..i guess alot better than the forums that are out there today ..dpreview will be missed!

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Mar 21, 2023 at 01:22 PM
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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · DPReview going away


I've been a member there since 2001 and have picked up some very useful information and help along the way, some not so useful too () but sad to see it go!


Mar 21, 2023 at 01:35 PM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · DPReview going away


A bit about my own history with DPR. If you aren't interested, no one is making you read it. :-)

Quite a few years back the first photography forum I got involved in was photo.net. After finding the useful I tried out a few others and ended up at FM and DPR.

I had a bad experience at DPR many years ago — maybe a decade now — that caused me to leave. I ended up here at FM, which was the only forum that I regularly engaged with from then on for the most part. I sort of held on to my negative view of DPR during that period, a view that was regularly reinforced by folks here who assumed that discussions at DPR were full of trolling and other unhappy stuff.

Recently, some experiences persuaded me to give DPR another look, so I reactivated my membership and began reading and posting a bit. While I can't say what it was like while I was gone, in recent months I didn't find the climate all that different from here, with the possibly exception of there being a bit more engaged moderation at DPR. (When things get out of hand, it seems like someone steps in to put the brakes on a bit sooner at DPR.)

Their reviews are often pretty useful.They aren't perfect — what review are? — and I sometimes disagree. But they are generally decent and always better than the random YouTube stuff that has become more prevalent.

So, if I had read of the demise of DPR five or ten years ago, my reaction might have been somewhere between "ho hum" and "good riddance." But based on my experience over the past few months I feel differently, and I'm sorry to see them go.

Dan



Mar 21, 2023 at 01:46 PM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · DPReview going away


Sure is sad. A great resource aside from Ken Rockwell. I'd liked being able to do side-by-side comparisons.


Mar 21, 2023 at 01:52 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · DPReview going away


Sorry to read this, I don't know how many times I have looked at their reviews and the image comparison tool. Really good data.

I enjoy the older cameras and I hope they get enough traffic to keep the current reviews up of 1DsIII, 5D, 60D, etc. And the image comoarison tool.

When I had a website, the storage space really didn't cost much and you'd think there'd be enough traffic to run ads or monetize it somehow, and keep the data available and the site afloat. Without having to pay much salary or even adding any reviews

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Mar 21, 2023 at 01:55 PM
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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · DPReview going away


Since there will inevitably be an influx of folks from DPR, Fred ought to seriously consider adding some moderators to the site.


Mar 21, 2023 at 01:56 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · DPReview going away


We need to support Fred as much as we can, for as long as we can. Social media is killing off traditional forums.


Mar 21, 2023 at 02:04 PM
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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · DPReview going away


leighton w wrote:
Since there will inevitably be an influx of folks from DPR, Fred ought to seriously consider adding some moderators to the site.


It might also be a good idea to welcome* them!

As to moderation...

I believe that it is up to whoever runs a site to determine what level and types of moderation they want to use. There's no perfect moderation that will make everyone happy — in fact, good, effective moderation WILL upset some people — and there are certainly differences of opinion about where the sweet spot is.

My online forum experience goes back a few decades, well before 2000, when I was building online communities as part of a college distance learning initiative and when I was doing development work along those lines for faculty in the California Community College System. If I were asked for my opinion about the level of moderation at FM, based on my experience, I would suggest that it be just a bit more active than it is.

Caveat: That's an opinion, and I understand the rational for wanting less moderation, too. I also think that the FM moderators, while letting things go where I'd intervene, are doing good and principled work.

Dan

* fixed a really dumb typo of mine here!

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