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How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?

  
 
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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


wordfool wrote:
... What Id prefer is a new 100-400 GM with built in 1.4x TC, which would then effectively replace two big zooms.


For myself this with a minimum focus distance similar to the existing lens would be an instant no-brainer upgrade.



Mar 19, 2023 at 04:59 PM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


I'm been hoping for the V2 as well. Version 1 ins pretty sharp already though. If they can shrink it alittle and making it lighter that would be great. In the mean time I continue to use the excellent 70-350.


Mar 19, 2023 at 05:19 PM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


I am not necessarily interested a 100-400 mark II. But if Sony release a 400mm f4 or f4.5 and it is lighter than Nikon version, I may have to give Sony my money.


Mar 19, 2023 at 05:21 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


Personally I hope they don't for quite a while. There are, IMO, significant gaps in the current lens lineup that I would hope they spend some time on before releasing minor updates to already great lenses.

How about a 300 2.8 (sounds like its in the works hopefully), a 300mm and/or 400mm f4, a 150mm or longer 1:1 macro, how about ANY tilt shift lenses.

Just my $0.02.



Mar 19, 2023 at 06:46 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


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Personally I hope they don't for quite a while. There are, IMO, significant gaps in the current lens lineup that I would hope they spend some time on before releasing minor updates to already great lenses.



I agree with this. I'm still surprised no 3rd party lensmakers have come out with a good 28 or a nice 70-200 f4.



Mar 19, 2023 at 07:03 PM
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I ended up choosing the new Tamron 50-400 over the 100-400GM. The 100-400 was very tempting, but in test samples posted here on FM and elsewhere, the IQ of 50-400 stacks up pretty well against the 100-400, except close to the 400mm end. I'm using it for landscape and cityscape, so I won't be shooting at 400mm that often (I have a 200-600 for my super telephoto needs). There are pro's and con's of each, but what swayed me in favour of the Tamron was the 50-100mm, size/weight, colour (black is definitely more discreet than white), and price. I will forego the excellent image stabilization, the pseudo-macro capability at the long end, and the little faster speed of the 100-400GM. It was a tough decision, but so far I'm happy with my choice.


Mar 19, 2023 at 08:35 PM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


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I ended up choosing the new Tamron 50-400 over the 100-400GM. The 100-400 was very tempting, but in test samples posted here on FM and elsewhere, the IQ of 50-400 stacks up pretty well against the 100-400, except close to the 400mm end. I'm using it for landscape and cityscape, so I won't be shooting at 400mm that often (I have a 200-600 for my super telephoto needs). There are pro's and con's of each, but what swayed me in favour of the Tamron was the 50-100mm, size/weight, colour (black is definitely more discreet than white), and price. I will
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wrt what's been discussed in this thread, both the z100-400 and sigma 100-400 have crappy stepper motors, so that tamron lens with voice coil af looks like the better choice to me as well.

it is $350 more than the sigma lens, but in addition to the advantages you listed, it has a 6-year warranty in the u.s.




Mar 19, 2023 at 10:19 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


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I agree with this. I'm still surprised no 3rd party lensmakers have come out with a good 28 or a nice 70-200 f4.


Agree on the 28, with the Tamron 70-180/2.8 being so small and so excellent, I wouldn't see huge value to a an f/4 version. Would love to see a small (ish) and very high quality 70-300/4...



Mar 19, 2023 at 11:28 PM
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architekt wrote:
I am not necessarily interested a 100-400 mark II. But if Sony release a 400mm f4 or f4.5 and it is lighter than Nikon version, I may have to give Sony my money.


I agree. 100-400mm GM II is not a priority right now. More inportant would be light mid-priced tele primes.

One local guy has Nkon D850 with 500mm PF - I envy how small and light that combo is. Nikon has also another similar winner for F-mount, 300mm PF - it is actually smaller and lighter than some 24-70mm std zooms. I want something like that for FE mount!



Mar 20, 2023 at 03:02 AM
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I have had this lens since it's release and personally so no need for an upgrade unless they could make one with internal focussing, less weight and size and as none of these options are probably viable may never happen



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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


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I have had this lens since it's release and personally so no need for an upgrade unless they could make one with internal focussing, less weight and size and as none of these options are probably viable may never happen

You are absolutely right. The 100-400GM is a fine lens, but it does feel very traditional in terms of design and functionality.
For Sony to consider making a GMII they'd have to make breakthroughs and change the formula; less weight, internal zooming and prime-level optics. Can they do that? Do they want to do that? Those are the questions here



Mar 20, 2023 at 05:39 AM
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Unlikely. By this point the Sony GM's they were producing were top notch.


Mar 20, 2023 at 07:29 AM
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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


I have both the Sigma and the Sony. The Sony is a recent acquisition. I expected the Sony autofocus to be significantly better, and it is. The Sony is marginally sharper, but the difference is small. What I did not expect were three areas in which the Sony is significantly better. First, the Sony bokeh is much smoother. Secondly, the Sony colors are more accurate. And finally, the image stabilization in the Sony is much more effective.


Mar 20, 2023 at 07:52 AM
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The 24-70 and 70-200 GMs had some issues and were effectively "bested" by 3rd party lenses, the Sigma 24-70 DG DN and the Tamron 70-180. The new lenses were needed to reclaim king of the hill especially important for holy trinity lenses. The 100-400GM certainly has competition but it is not bested by any of the others. I could see a new 70-300 lens to replace the current one. In that case, I have heard of many landscape photogs who would normally grab a 70-300, but instead went with 100-400 because of poor IQ on the smaller lens. Of course Sony isn't loosing sales to a third party so maybe they don't care. I'm thinking the 100-400 is way down the refresh line. I see a refresh on the 85GM, 16-35GM, then maybe they will do a 70-300 f/4 to replace the 70-200 f/4 and 70-300 in one shot.


Mar 20, 2023 at 09:23 AM
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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


tschopp wrote:
I could see a new 70-300 lens to replace the current one. In that case, I have heard of many landscape photogs who would normally grab a 70-300, but instead went with 100-400 because of poor IQ on the smaller lens.


I'd really like to see a refresh of the 70-300 G. The current one is actually very good when used up close, but the sharpness and contrast diminish as the distance to the subject increases. If Sony could update this lens to match the image quality of say, the old Canon EF 70-300L, it would be a winner - and would pair nicely with the new 20-70 G as a two-lens travel kit.

More than anything, I would like to see Sony produce some diffractive optic telephotos, along the lines of the Nikon 300/500/800mm PF lenses.



Mar 20, 2023 at 09:34 AM
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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


molson wrote:
I'd really like to see a refresh of the 70-300 G. The current one is actually very good when used up close, but the sharpness and contrast diminish as the distance to the subject increases. If Sony could update this lens to match the image quality of say, the old Canon EF 70-300L, it would be a winner - and would pair nicely with the new 20-70 G as a two-lens travel kit.

More than anything, I would like to see Sony produce some diffractive optic telephotos, along the lines of the Nikon 300/500/800mm PF lenses.


The question is whether a more consumer-oriented lens like the 70-300 needs to perform at the level folks like us would like it to. I suspect the vast majority of buyers don't notice or don't care that it's not super sharp or contrasty at all focal lengths or that there's so much copy variation. They just buy the lens and use it, being satisfied with the results it gives them. Not all lenses are going to be at or near GM quality, IQ wise, and neither should we expect them to be.

That said, the bad rap the 70-300 gets here did make me buy a 100-400 instead And the 100-400 is now one of my favorite lenses (along with the 55/1.8) due in part of its relative light weight and awesome close-up capabilities.



Mar 20, 2023 at 01:55 PM
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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


wordfool wrote:
The question is whether a more consumer-oriented lens like the 70-300 needs to perform at the level folks like us would like it to. I suspect the vast majority of buyers don't notice or don't care that it's not super sharp or contrasty at all focal lengths or that there's so much copy variation. They just buy the lens and use it, being satisfied with the results it gives them. Not all lenses are going to be at or near GM quality, IQ wise, and neither should we expect them to be.


I disagree - with the advances we've been seeing in lens design, where even companies like Tamron can produce high-quality lenses at relatively low prices, there's no reason we shouldn't expect better quality from Sony's mid-tier products.



Mar 20, 2023 at 05:08 PM
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I disagree - with the advances we've been seeing in lens design, where even companies like Tamron can produce high-quality lenses at relatively low prices, there's no reason we shouldn't expect better quality from Sony's mid-tier products.


Oh, I agree that we should see high quality lenses. My point was more along the lines of Sony being able to get away with not having to produce higher quality because the shonky stuff will still potentially sell if they slap a "G" designation on it. Granted, I might be on the cynical side, but market demand generally dictates product quality not simply the ability to make something better (aka Good Enough vs The Best).




Mar 20, 2023 at 05:10 PM
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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · How likely do you think it is Sony does a new 100-400 GM2 soon?


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That said, the bad rap the 70-300 gets here did make me buy a 100-400 instead


If Sony came out with a stellar 70-300 that beats the 100-400 on IQ and is smaller and lighter would you be willing to sell the 100-400 for the 70-300? If so, that is why Sony would want to make that lens. It's the same reason the 50/1.4 GM works even with a stellar 50/1.2



Mar 20, 2023 at 05:14 PM
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tschopp wrote:
If Sony came out with a stellar 70-300 that beats the 100-400 on IQ and is smaller and lighter would you be willing to sell the 100-400 for the 70-300? If so, that is why Sony would want to make that lens. It's the same reason the 50/1.4 GM works even with a stellar 50/1.2


Good question! I would probably buy the 70-300 then decide which of my three tele-zooms I would sell (the other two being the 100-400 and 200-600). Although, granted, I do have a tendency to just keep stuff and make up some new justification, so Sony would probably profit from me whatever the case

The reason I was considering the 70-300 in the first place was size -- I had the idea that anything bigger would just not go with me to enough places. What I have since discovered is that a) I have not been on as many of those theoretical trips I envisioned, due to the pandemic and my over-active imagination, and b) the additional size of the 100-400 is actually not that big a deal in the grand scheme of all the other assorted crap I tend to schlepp along on trips. Plus, I have also become a bit addicted to its close-up capability.



Mar 20, 2023 at 05:21 PM
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