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p.7 #1 · p.7 #1 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

Yes indeed, there still isn’t a compelling RF lens that I want to buy, or consider to be worth replacing the EF lenses I am using. EF work great in the meantime.

Mar 18, 2023 at 11:53 PM

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p.7 #2 · p.7 #2 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

Mike_5D wrote:
Your current lenses will work better on any mirrorless from the last couple of years than they do now. RF lenses will work better still, but at a high price if you are upgrading L lenses.

What do you mean EF lenses work better on RF bodies? That's not my experience. For example IS Mode 3 doesn't work right and IS in general keeps running. There are also some reductions of FPS on older lenses. Of course newer (RF) cameras have some functional and performance advantages, though are worse at others.

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Mar 19, 2023 at 07:34 PM

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p.7 #3 · p.7 #3 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

EB-1 wrote:
What do you mean EF lenses work better on RF bodies? That's not my experience. For example IS Mode 3 doesn't work right and IS in general keeps running. There are also some reductions of FPS on older lenses. Of course newer (RF) cameras have some functional and performance advantages, though are worse at others.

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I mean that all of my EF lenses focus as-fast or faster and definitely more accurately on my R6 than they did on my 5D3 or 7D2. Only my 100-400 II has IS Mode 3 but I haven't noticed any problems. The IS running continuously hasn't caused me any problems. I have a couple of lenses that can't do 12 fps, but even their reduced frame rate on the R6 is better than I got with the 5D3. Neither of those lenses were the kind I'd use for fast action anyway.

Mar 19, 2023 at 07:41 PM

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p.7 #4 · p.7 #4 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

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I’m not going to quote anyone but I get a kick out of referring to Katelyn James as a rookie that doesn’t know how to use a flash. Will all the photographers on this site that are also pulling in a healthy 7 figure annual income from photography please stand up. 😂

She makes a lot of money off of selling courses but I mean on her 50 1.2 vs 50 1.8 video the guy shooting the video explained the difference between 7 vs 10 blade aperture. Not that she claims to be real tech-y. I probably would not stop down 85 1.2 to 2 , leaving me underexposed at 25600, either. YMMV

Mar 22, 2023 at 12:00 PM

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p.7 #5 · p.7 #5 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

Mar 22, 2023 at 12:06 PM

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p.7 #6 · p.7 #6 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

AmbientMike wrote:
She makes a lot of money off of selling courses but I mean on her 50 1.2 vs 50 1.8 video the guy shooting the video explained the difference between 7 vs 10 blade aperture. Not that she claims to be real tech-y. I probably would not stop down 85 1.2 to 2 , leaving me underexposed at 25600, either. YMMV

Yeah she's not techy. I watch her videos when I'm more interested in how a piece of gear performs in actual use. I can get specs off Canon's website. I do understand stopping down a little to get more DOF when you might want more than one person's eyes in focus. But even f/2 is so shallow at 85 that it might not matter much anyway. May as well own the ultra shallow DOF and shoot wide open. In that video, I believe there was a window at one end of the room and in my experience, the falloff can be pretty steep within a certain distance, leaving one side of a person's face overexposed and the other in deep shadow. So maybe she was trying to protect against that. Dunno.

Mar 22, 2023 at 12:14 PM

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p.7 #7 · p.7 #7 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

Mike_5D wrote:
Yeah she's not techy. I watch her videos when I'm more interested in how a piece of gear performs in actual use. I can get specs off Canon's website. I do understand stopping down a little to get more DOF when you might want more than one person's eyes in focus. But even f/2 is so shallow at 85 that it might not matter much anyway. May as well own the ultra shallow DOF and shoot wide open. In that video, I believe there was a window at one end of the room and in my experience, the falloff can...Show more →

I'd rather catch an old Depeche Mode video on YouTube

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Mar 22, 2023 at 12:39 PM

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p.7 #8 · p.7 #8 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

So far my experience from shooting with 5Ds to R6MKII is not just seamless but also advantageous. The eye-AF technology is fantastic as the focusing is faster and more accurate with the R6MKII than the 5Ds. And this is with my existing EF lenses. For me that is more beneficial than IBIS as some of my EF lenses have IS. The electronic shutter is great to have combined with the high bursts.

I have yet to try out all my EF lenses out in the field. However, since all the ones I tried out are working great I see no reason to buy an RF lens. Maybe if Canon would release the RF version of the 200/2.8 L I will definitely consider it.

R6MKII, 85/1.2LII, 1/8000 sec., F/1.2, ISO 100, exposure bias 0.67

85/1.2LII, 1/160 sec, f/5.6, ISO 1600

35/1.4 L, 1/500 sec., f/1.6, ISO 320

35/1.4 L, 1/320 sec., f/1.4, ISO 100

Mar 22, 2023 at 09:02 PM

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p.7 #9 · p.7 #9 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

Mike_5D wrote:
Your current lenses will work better on any mirrorless from the last couple of years than they do now. RF lenses will work better still, but at a high price if you are upgrading L lenses.

Mike_5D wrote:
I mean that all of my EF lenses focus as-fast or faster and definitely more accurately on my R6 than they did on my 5D3 or 7D2. Only my 100-400 II has IS Mode 3 but I haven't noticed any problems. The IS running continuously hasn't caused me any problems. I have a couple of lenses that can't do 12 fps, but even their reduced frame rate on the R6 is better than I got with the 5D3. Neither of those lenses were the kind I'd use for fast action anyway.

Hmmm...I guess I just assumed that using EF lenses on non-native bodies would be inferior. To be specific, my main carry is the 5D Mark IV w/ EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens. If I were to swap the body out, say, for a R6 Mark II, and keep using the same lens, would you say it's worth it? I was strongly contemplating just walking away from the system entirely and going with a full-frame fixed-lens "compact" like the Leica Q/Q2 or Sony RX1R II instead of investing in a new Canon body. Mainly because of the size and weight of my current DSLR and lens combo makes it unappealing to carry around and that fact that I end up just shooting at 35mm or 50mm anyway. Yes, I can just invest in an L prime EF lens, but then I feel like I'm not really resolving my weight/size concerns.

Mar 24, 2023 at 10:33 PM

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p.7 #10 · p.7 #10 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

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Hmmm...I guess I just assumed that using EF lenses on non-native bodies would be inferior. To be specific, my main carry is the 5D Mark IV w/ EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM Lens. If I were to swap the body out, say, for a R6 Mark II, and keep using the same lens, would you say it's worth it? I was strongly contemplating just walking away from the system entirely and going with a full-frame fixed-lens "compact" like the Leica Q/Q2 or Sony RX1R II instead of investing in a new Canon body. Mainly because of the size and weight...Show more →
It was worth it for me. Your lose a few megapixels but everything else is better.

Mar 24, 2023 at 10:42 PM

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p.7 #11 · p.7 #11 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

I think going from a solid body such as the 5D4 to a R5 or R6II depends on what the use will be. Travelling, street, candid a lighter set-up might be more suitable. For wildlife and action the advanced AF will be a big improvement and low light stuff will also be better. Horses for courses.
I went from a loved 6D to an R6. I have just been doing some low light action stuff using both cameras. The focussing is much better, and the hi ISO (10,000 and up) files are much cleaner on the R6. I'm starting to like this camera.
If on the other hand it is just good light and general photography the 5D4 is still a great camera, as is my 6D.

Mar 24, 2023 at 11:24 PM

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p.7 #12 · p.7 #12 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

Hola! 👋🏻

Q: so, on this comment... Would you say the DSRL was / is better or easier ?

Cheers.

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Specifically for me as a sports shooter, the challenge is my subject has a defender hanging all over him or her and the eye AF doesn't have a clue which one you want to shoot.
So I find myself customizing the AF box to be small enough for me to put it on my man, but not so small I miss my subject. (Yes, you can even customize the size and shape of the AF box!) To be fair to mirrorless, my eye hand coordination isn't great at my age, but looking back on my albums going from DSLR to...Show more →

May 28, 2023 at 10:28 AM

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p.7 #13 · p.7 #13 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

goyoneuff wrote:
... Would you say the DSRL was / is better or easier ?

This is not a simple question. I currently have 90D, 5D4, R7, R5 in my process of transition. If you want the camera to do the tracking then hands down the R series is better. I think the cross type AF of the DSLRs can be faster, more accurate for non face/eyes situations but may also require focus calibration. I never found the small cluster of focus points to be a problem when I did the tracking to keep the bird or whatever in the focus area. OTOH I really like using tracking, when it behaves, to focus and recompose on living or inanimate subjects.

The R series does have the old fashioned non-tracking AF available. My wife found the tracking capability of the R7 annoying for her general use since it would often spontaneously pick something she didn't want to follow. I went into the menus and turned tracking off. She was much happier with the cameras more "normal" focus behavior. I later found I could customize a button to enable tracking when it was off in the menus. I assigned start/stop tracking to the * button and can now quickly get tracking back when she or I want it. Otherwise focus behaves like the "old timey" DSLRs I'm used to. I program C1 mode for full tracking and higher frame rate for photographing critters. The R5 is easier in that it has both tracking and non-tracking modes and one can assign a button or dial to select among these. I prefer this behavior for my use.

I think there is a leaning curve to the many new features of the R series. I've been using my new cameras for about 6 months now and beginning to get the hang of it.

The customization capability is incredible but takes some experimenting. For example I just discovered the R7 has a button customization to do pre burst. I'll have to experiment to see what modes and settings it is compatible with.

May 28, 2023 at 11:13 AM

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p.7 #14 · p.7 #14 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

AmbientMike wrote:
Well, I haven't converted but I did use mirrorless for about a year and a half as a primary camera. It's fine, I liked my older m4/3 quite a bit. But I am in no hurry to convert.

As far as joy I still like my DSLR.

I echo "AM's" statement. But I have NOT tried mirrorless. So "AM" is 1 step ahead of me....Main reason...funds! I am 100% Canon, many dslrs, yet I must still do some "adapting" of lenses, and I have many Canon only EF lenses. Too many i might add!
But ,while I find the new mirrorless images spectacular..yes spectacular in the proper hands, I am not ready to give up and go mirriorless quite yet.

This is not to diminish any one who has converted. Your images are probably spectacular! BUt when I view one against the other, I really don't see that conversion quite yet!
Nice thread!
Dan

May 28, 2023 at 11:34 AM

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p.7 #15 · p.7 #15 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

jojib wrote:
So far my experience from shooting with 5Ds to R6MKII is not just seamless but also advantageous. The eye-AF technology is fantastic as the focusing is faster and more accurate with the R6MKII than the 5Ds. And this is with my existing EF lenses. For me that is more beneficial than IBIS as some of my EF lenses have IS. The electronic shutter is great to have combined with the high bursts.

I have yet to try out all my EF lenses out in the field. However, since all the ones I tried out are working great I see no...Show more →

These are outstanding compositions! Both technically and visually!

Jeff sez it well also.

I am still "on the fence" but these are exceptional and fun!
Dan

May 28, 2023 at 11:39 AM

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p.7 #16 · p.7 #16 · Experience from DSLR to Mirrorless

AmbientMike wrote:
I'd rather catch an old Depeche Mode video on YouTube

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Now I can agree on this!.."Never Let Me Down" is a primo listen and view!
Dan

May 28, 2023 at 11:48 AM

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