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The RX1Rii is sublime. I bought one used last year after eyeing them for eons. Having used it for a year, I’d even have paid full price…that lens is just stellar. Sure, I’d love IBIS, a more modern focus system, and a fat viewfinder, but it is still a fantastic camera.

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May 14, 2023 at 07:05 PM

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I'm not a fan of fixed lens cameras, but 35 is my favorite focal length, so I had to give both the RX1rII and the X100v a try. My thoughts...

If absolute IQ were the goal, I'd do what I had to do to make it work with the Sony. Like Jim indicates, the output can be sublime, but I would be miserable using it because there's nothing about the camera in use that makes me happy. Awkwardly small and still indiscreet, awkward EVF implementation, terrible MF experience, slow overall operation.

The Fuji has equally terrible MF, thanks to the awkwardness of the smaller lens protrusion, but, otherwise, my enjoyment in using the camera was much greater than with the Sony. The grip and thumb rest aren't substantial, but they're just enough to keep it comfortable in my big hands without any additions. The control layout, while minimal, still gives you options on how you want to use the camera. It's faster in operation, AF is stickier and snappier, and the lens is excellent. And I can't say enough good things about the hybrid viewfinder. I don't miss an OVF for the most part, but having good options for both EVF or OVF in the same camera felt luxurious. Overall, I found it a pleasing little camera to use.

The APS-C X-Trans sensor is never going to be the equal of Sony's mighty 42MP FF, no matter how good the lens. Personally, I'd accept results that fall a bit short of sublime to get a camera I enjoy using, so, if forced to pick between the two, I'd choose Fuji.

May 15, 2023 at 07:32 AM

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I had the Leica Q2 for a while but, perhaps strangely, I did not like the rendering of the lens. For me it was too sharp and contrasty -- really unkind for portraits for example. Other Leica lenses do a better IMHO but I may be in the minority on this!

If you are okay with an older model, and want something really light and portable, I would recommend the Leica CL with the Leica 18mm or 23mm lens (EFOV 28 or 35). Very light to carry and beautiful rendering. I have taken thousands of photos with these combos and the results are consistently excellent.

CL owners were dismayed when Leica announced they were discontinuing the series early last year. Many of them moved on, reluctantly, and some still persist with a kit perfectly usable today.

May 15, 2023 at 09:30 AM

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I too reckon the Fuji 100 series a much superior camera to use, just fun to shoot. Leica Q2 even more so. The RX not so much, poor battery, fiddly EVF and too small with a largish lens. They could probably rethink it, but the A7C I assume fits the bill for the Sony crowd wanting a very small FF camera.

May 16, 2023 at 09:52 AM

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Robin Smith wrote:
I too reckon the Fuji 100 series a much superior camera to use, just fun to shoot. Leica Q2 even more so. The RX not so much, poor battery, fiddly EVF and too small with a largish lens. They could probably rethink it, but the A7C I assume fits the bill for the Sony crowd wanting a very small FF camera.

It really doesn’t for many. That’s why these threads and the RX1 interest endures. A7c + 35/2 or 1.8 combo is quite a bit bigger than the RX1. Ans the 1.8/2 lenses aren’t as good as the Sonnar. The a7c route has lots of other advantages, but those wanting RX1 size with that level of IQ will be disappointed I think.

May 16, 2023 at 10:36 AM

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james2441139 wrote:
I have an A9 that I pair with 100-400 for wildlife and run-n-gun shots. Lately getting an itch for an EDC camera. That maybe partly the X100 series hype, and partly due to the fact that I am not enjoying iPhone photography much.

Having said that, what you all think? Does an RX1rII makes sense? I can get one used for close to $1,400-$1,500. Or should I bite the bullet and go for an X100V? Anyone have both or tried both, and what is your opinion? None of them are truly pocketable, so that is not a problem for me, I...Show more →

What didn't you like about the GRIII and how do you expect the RX1RII to be better.

I don't get the 35mm fixed lens camera appeal, a D3200 A6000 or Rebel light and inexpensive if you don't need pocketable. Af might not be the greatest but a kit lens is lots more flexible imo

I don't see the photographic reasons to get the x100v over the ff though.

May 16, 2023 at 10:36 AM

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Grenache wrote:
The RX1Rii is sublime. I bought one used last year after eyeing them for eons. Having used it for a year, I’d even have paid full price…that lens is just stellar. Sure, I’d love IBIS, a more modern focus system, and a fat viewfinder, but it is still a fantastic camera.

Jim

Agree that the photos from the RX1RII is sublime. Only way to describe it. Looking at files on a 27" monitor really shows the difference from my 24MP APS-C, even with the sharpest primes. I don't know why they don't sell an additional hand grip like they do for the RX100 camera. It would help a bit.

May 16, 2023 at 11:49 AM

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AmbientMike wrote:
What didn't you like about the GRIII and how do you expect the RX1RII to be better.

I don't get the 35mm fixed lens camera appeal, a D3200 A6000 or Rebel light and inexpensive if you don't need pocketable. Af might not be the greatest but a kit lens is lots more flexible imo

I don't see the photographic reasons to get the x100v over the ff though.

I honestly didn't connect much to the Ricoh. Felt like I am carrying another smartphone (I know it's a much larger sensor).
I like an EDC camera for hiking purposes, and I found the Ricoh didn't have any sort of weather seal. Plus I miss the FF sensor of my A9. The Fuji X100V ticks a lot of checkmarks, I just wish it was a FF sensor. If only Sony could revamp the Rx1R series with newer AF and menu system, it will be an instant hit.

May 16, 2023 at 12:18 PM

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james2441139 wrote:
I honestly didn't connect much to the Ricoh. Felt like I am carrying another smartphone (I know it's a much larger sensor).
I like an EDC camera for hiking purposes, and I found the Ricoh didn't have any sort of weather seal. Plus I miss the FF sensor of my A9. The Fuji X100V ticks a lot of checkmarks, I just wish it was a FF sensor. If only Sony could revamp the Rx1R series with newer AF and menu system, it will be an instant hit.

Have you considered putting the 28-60 on the A9. Not really too heavy if you can get good results 28mm end using that lens.

It depends, locally I often only take a macro lens if I'm out looking around. In the mountains I like to leave the 55-250 on a Canon aps body. It's under a pound, 100 400 ff equivalent, and good for mountain goats or chipmunks that might pose.

You might look at a carrying system or strap I ran into one guy last year carrying 2 nikon DSLR's. One had the large 200-500. I showed him my 55-250 told him how light it was he was using black rapid I think, dropped everything and remarked it didn't weigh anything. Mostly true. I put stuff in a little backpack/bookbag, I don't the 100-400 really noticable carried like that.

May 17, 2023 at 11:28 AM

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I honestly didn't connect much to the Ricoh. Felt like I am carrying another smartphone (I know it's a much larger sensor).
I like an EDC camera for hiking purposes, and I found the Ricoh didn't have any sort of weather seal. Plus I miss the FF sensor of my A9. The Fuji X100V ticks a lot of checkmarks, I just wish it was a FF sensor. If only Sony could revamp the Rx1R series with newer AF and menu system, it will be an instant hit.

Even if they did not partner with Zeiss on an RX1R III, with all the experience Sony now has with its G and GM lenses, they can definitely create a weather sealed 35mm lens design that is matched to the sensor.

May 17, 2023 at 12:05 PM

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I just sold an old Canon 300mm 2.8 I was adapting on my A9 and picked up an RX1R II. I like fixed lens cameras and I'm used to bad user experience and poor battery life, (any of my DP Merrills) but I look past that for the image quality. The rendering of that lens on this sensor just speaks to me.

If you have one and haven't done so already, I highly recommend visiting the PlayMemories app store before it's deprecated later this year and get the free 'Touchless Shutter' app, with zone focusing, the quiet leaf shutter and framing looking down at the screen it's a very fun and mostly discreet way to shoot street.

May 19, 2023 at 08:19 AM

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Even if they did not partner with Zeiss on an RX1R III, with all the experience Sony now has with its G and GM lenses, they can definitely create a weather sealed 35mm lens design that is matched to the sensor.

everyday I wake up hoping for that announcement. can you imagine if they launch a new version with the A7RV sensor and all the new tech but still with the same battery? that would be a sweet April fools joke...

Nov 12, 2023 at 08:36 AM

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Agreed. I'd love to see an updated version 3 with 60mp.

Nov 12, 2023 at 11:20 AM

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Great to see this thread revived, and the interest in this camera hasn’t died yet. Sony definitely should come up with a new version with better AF and the new menu.

Nov 12, 2023 at 03:50 PM

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Ive had the same reflections in the last few months and pulled the trigger on a Rx1Rii. I wanted an EDC because my usual walk around set up was a bit too big (a1 and 40mm G). Most of what everyone says is true.

superb image quality, light, almost pocketable, super fast shutter and sync speed. But some of the downside is also real in an age of modern autofocus and highly optimized firmware.

I didn’t think that having no IBIS would be a problem. Turns out that i needed to relearn how to shoot with it. I now keep my shutter higher. This in turn slowly disadvantanging in lower light. Grip is more finicky, as expected from smaller form factor. The way it deals with auto ISO is way worse than a more modern camera. You can’t select Raw + extra fine Jpeg. And eye AF, although working, is not on par with more recent models.

I mean, all this is to be expected from such an old model. The reality is that it is still pretty good. I suspect it is the fact I switch from one to the other camera that makes it a bit weird.

Now it would be wonderful to have a new one with GS, some IBIS and updated firmware. I would be on line to buy one. :-).

Nov 12, 2023 at 05:10 PM

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The successor to the Fuji X100V will be announced in Q1 2024. Perhaps you can wait for it.

I have the RX1R II and don't plan to get rid of it. It has three major annoyances for me however: (1) It's painful to move the focus point without a touch screen nor joystick. (2) The jpeg skin tone is horrible, reflecting the color science of that generation of Sony cameras. For EDC, I wish to use jpeg instead of developing each image in CameraRaw. The Fuji jpeg is so much superior and ready to use. (3) The top shutter speed is only 1/2000 when the aperture is wide open.

Another option is the Canon G1X Mark III. It's a 24MP APSC compact camera with a sharp 24-72mm f2.8-5.6 lens. I've used it as the main camera for a couple of trips shooting travel, landscape, and street and it performed superbly.

Those 1 inch compact cameras such as the Sony RX100 V - VII and Canon G5X Mark II, Canon G7X Mark III are also amazing for EDC. You may be surprised by their image quality.

Nov 12, 2023 at 05:25 PM

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Ancocene wrote:
Agreed. I'd love to see an updated version 3 with 60mp.

I think going 60mp (thus being an R) could have a negative impact on low light capabilities, but it would be pretty useful to be able to crop and shoot is as a fixed 50mm... also it would be great if they somehow made the 0.75x wide converter for the FE 28/2 compatible with the lens, making it into a 28mm (already cropping for distortion corrections). I saw some people who have hacked the wide converter to mount it on the RX1Rii but there is no electronic contacts, so you get a wider but distorted image.

Nov 14, 2023 at 09:14 AM

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Got one recently. X100V hype made it overlooked, can be had for a good deal less.
Came with a Fotodiox grip and thumb rest, just like how Miguel Quiles uses it.

Might end up with the same flash, too, as I only have a Godox V1C, which looks comically big and interferes with the EVF extension.
Definitely a camera I have to fight even after setting it up, but it is hard to argue about size/image quality ratio. I shoot 35 the most, it's nice to have something different from the Leica Q series.

The supposed improvements are a Catch-22 situation.
60MP with newer AF would still be limited by the AF motor in the lens. It would also draw more power.
And I don't see the point of a big battery, if they need to redesign the whole body for it, ending up close to an already existing A7CR.
But I think that if we see anything, it would be a relaunch rather than an update of the existing design.

Nov 14, 2023 at 05:10 PM

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foto16 wrote:

Another option is the Canon G1X Mark III. It's a 24MP APSC compact camera with a sharp 24-72mm f2.8-5.6 lens. I've used it as the main camera for a couple of trips shooting travel, landscape, and street and it performed superbly.

I'll second that. I almost never see this model entered into discussions of walkaround street and travel cameras, yet in its own way it's quite competitive with an X100v (which I also own) as an everyday carry. The Canon is weather resistant, zoom (if slowish) lens, built-in flash and stabilization, yet is very compact and comfortable to hold. Quite the sleeper.

Nov 15, 2023 at 03:41 PM

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