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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · RX1RII in 2023?

I have an A9 that I pair with 100-400 for wildlife and run-n-gun shots. Lately getting an itch for an EDC camera. That maybe partly the X100 series hype, and partly due to the fact that I am not enjoying iPhone photography much.

Having said that, what you all think? Does an RX1rII makes sense? I can get one used for close to $1,400-$1,500. Or should I bite the bullet and go for an X100V? Anyone have both or tried both, and what is your opinion? None of them are truly pocketable, so that is not a problem for me, I am going to carry them in a small pouch.

I tried the Ricoh GRIII, and didn't like it. Any other EDC options?

Mar 03, 2023 at 11:53 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · RX1RII in 2023?

I think it boils down to three considerations:

1. Fixed focal length (RX1 series) vs zoom (RX100 series)
2. Image quality (RX1 series wins handily here, in my opinion; that 35mm lens is world-class)
3. Reliability (RX1 models are getting old in the tooth now; RX100-series still being made as far as I know).

There are a few hints/rumors that Sony may come out with a new camera in the RX1 line this year, possibly as early as this month (March 2023) so it might be worth waiting to see if those rumors come true. But a new model will be pricey.

Mar 03, 2023 at 11:57 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · RX1RII in 2023?

I had the RX1Rii back when it was current, and loved the image quality, but found it awkward to hold without a supplemental grip and it had horrendous battery life. If I was doing it now, I'd go for the Fujifilm X100V, or the Leica Q2 (if I could afford it).

Mar 03, 2023 at 12:21 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · RX1RII in 2023?

Still viable for daytime EDC and I’d pick it 10/10 times over a x100, but that’s because I love full frame cameras and Zeiss lenses

When I had it in 2019-2020, I still found myself reaching for my IBIS A7R2 and 40/1.2 at night, but as someone that doesn’t need blazing fast AF or mind carrying extra batteries or having a weatherproof back up, I’d love to have a RX1Rii for casual walk around stuff, the focal length is perfect between my 24 GM and CV 40 and the bulk ones of newer A7 cameras isn’t getting old. Alas, I’d have to part with my 24 GM or CV 40 to afford the RX1RII currently, so I no longer have it.

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Mar 03, 2023 at 12:25 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · RX1RII in 2023?

(Wrong thread!)

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Mar 03, 2023 at 12:27 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · RX1RII in 2023?

MikeEvangelist wrote:
I had the RX1Rii back when it was current, and loved the image quality, but found it awkward to hold without a supplemental grip and it had horrendous battery life. If I was doing it now, I'd go for the Fujifilm X100V, or the Leica Q2 (if I could afford it).

I had the same experiences. I'll add that I really disliked the pop-up EVF with the 'fiddly' eye-cup. Further, I have become so accustomed to IBIS with other cameras, I was getting more image blur with the RX1RII when shooting slower shutter speeds in low-light. In all, I sold the camera out of frustration, even though it was capable of producing outstanding images.

Mar 03, 2023 at 12:30 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · RX1RII in 2023?

My current "poor man's RX1" is an original A7s with a Voigtländer VM 35/2 Ultron mounted on it using an M to E-mount adapter. A small enough package that it works as an every day carry, fits into the little ThinkTank Mirrorless Mover 10 bag (the RX1 would fit into the Mirrorless Mover 5, I believe). The A7c would be a good choice too but more expensive. The A7s is small because it has no IBIS, and I'm fine with 12 megapixel files; if you want more resolution and IBIS go with A7c.

There are quite a few tiny 35mm rangefinder lenses to choose from; these are manual of course but given the dodgy autofocus on the RX1 a lot of people focus them manually anyway. If you want to stick to e-mount, the ultra-cheap Pergear 35/1.4 actually looks quite nice: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-pergear-35mm-1-4-cheapest-fullframe/

Mar 03, 2023 at 12:40 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · RX1RII in 2023?

There is no way I'd pay these absurdly hyped prices for an X100 of any kind. I've owned several X100 iterations and they are fun little pocket cameras but not worth the current asking prices to me. Any of the RX100 models would be excellent and offer more zoom flexibility. The IQ of the RX1R II would be way beyond any of the X100's. So unless you're specifically interested in some of the Fujifilm gimmick features (film sims, etc), for the same $ I think the RX1R is more camera.

If you're fixated on trying a Fuji, look for a used X-T2 or 3 and put one of their small f2 primes on it like the 23mm. Way more camera and lens then the X100.

Mar 03, 2023 at 01:59 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · RX1RII in 2023?

jeffbuzz wrote:
There is no way I'd pay these absurdly hyped prices for an X100 of any kind. I've owned several X100 iterations and they are fun little pocket cameras but not worth the current asking prices to me. Any of the RX100 models would be excellent and offer more zoom flexibility. The IQ of the RX1R II would be way beyond any of the X100's. So unless you're specifically interested in some of the Fujifilm gimmick features (film sims, etc), for the same $ I think the RX1R is more camera.

If you're fixated on trying a Fuji, look for a used...Show more →

I have X100V. In fact I have had the original X100 and F.

I have used RX1RII only briefly and not side by side with Fuji, but I would say V is much more responsive camera. It is also light, has good battery life and better image quality than what one expect based on its specs. Practical life resolution and dynamic range are surprising. Film simulations are overhyped.

The new Fuji X100V lens is sharp but has kind of meh rendering. However, it works extremely well with the wide adapter (I like 28mm FL).

System cameras are different animals compared to a compact. Cannot be compared.

Comparision with RX100 series is also kind of unfair - both ways. I have RX100VA which is fast shooting and focusing, has 24mm wide end, and is much smaller than X100V. However image quality difference is much more easy to see than the difference beween cropped camera and full frame.

I agree, Fuji X100V is too expensive for what it is. But where is the alternative? There is no alternative unless one is ready to by s/h X100F.

My latest X100V pic in Flickr. One could not shoot this with RX100VA. Neither with RX1RII - reason being it was shot with wide adapter

BTW I use my compact cameras as secondary cameras when travelling or just going out. No serious shooting with them, although I admit that Leica Q2 is tempting...

Mar 03, 2023 at 02:23 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · RX1RII in 2023?

I am not fixated on any system, so no, it doesn't have to be a Fuji. Leica Q2, price aside, feels a little big and heavy (I have handled it briefly in the store). The X100V looks promising, and being a newer camera than Rx1RII at that. How about the image quality though. Do you all miss the full-frame RX1RII (even though its a slower, older, less responsive camera) vs the X100V APS-C?

Mar 03, 2023 at 03:34 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · RX1RII in 2023?

I still think the 35mm Sonnar is one of the best 35mm of all time. I have owned an RX1 of some variety 10 times I think. The size to IQ ratio is truly fantastic, esp on the Rx1r2. But it’s not a sturdily built camera (had issues on 3 of them), expensive to service, and unlike the other fixed lens options, it’s just sucks to shoot between the ergonomics and battery. When you make a fixed lens niche camera (q, x100v, Ricoh GR) it needs to be refined and make you want to shoot it.

I think the RX1 came out at an odd time for Sony. They’ve really become a juggernaut now with clear vision and can go head to head with anyone in the industry. I’d pick up a different fixed lens option or just use an Sony FF older/smaller body with a fixed compact 35 (35 Lux, CV 35/1.5, CV 35/2, Sigma 35i or FE 35, etc). if you like MF, multiple compact 35mm options. If AF, get an A7c and enjoy AF + IBIS + great battery and better than RX1 ergo.

I walked out of the house with a modded a7r2 + dinky RF 35mm typically.

I don’t think the size of the body + lens options are as close as many, but they are small, and the RX1 is just too old/fiddily at this point. I hope we get a new fixed 35mm from Sony. But I think I’ve been saying this for 5 years.

Mar 03, 2023 at 03:35 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · RX1RII in 2023?

I tried the Sony RX1R II in mid-2022 and concluded a Sony A1/A7RV with a 35mm f1.4 or Sony A7C with a 40mm f2.5 delivers just as good or better image quality, better af, and better ergonomics without that much of a size increase. Yes the 35mm f1.4 + A7RV is bigger but the RX1R isn't really a pocketable camera either so you will hold it similarly.

For a much smaller package, the Ricoh GRIII makes sense or just get the latest iPhone - the results are pretty good with some post-processing.

Mar 03, 2023 at 04:05 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · RX1RII in 2023?

tuomkok wrote:
. . .
System cameras are different animals compared to a compact. Cannot be compared.
. . .

Of course they can be compared. We can compare anything. The X100 cameras all use the same sensors found in similar generation "system" bodies like the X-T2. So from that perspective, the X100 is less "compact" and more "system". It's just another model in the "X" system. Hence the "X"100 names.

The ability to add wide and tele adapters to the X100 lenses also pushes them closer to "system" territory. Few compact cameras have that option. IQ compared to more compact "compact" bodies like the RX100* series also needs to take the zoom into account. I know my RX100 images at 200mm (35mm equiv) look a better than what I could have gotten from an X100 at 35mm (equiv) cropped down to a 200mm equiv FOV. Once you add on the lens adapter you've most of your size advantage compared to a MILC Fuji body like an X-T* or X-Pro*.

One feature that I really appreciate on both the X100* and RX1R* is the hot shoe. That's another rarity on a compact. That feature is more "system" like too. Being able to put a flash or trigger directly on those cameras makes them much more powerful all around tools.

Mar 03, 2023 at 04:24 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · RX1RII in 2023?

I loved my RX1RII...but eventually sold it because I found myself carrying it in the same bags/packs that would fit an A7 series body with a small lens, so I sold it. Also would have preferred something slightly wider than 35mm.

Mar 03, 2023 at 06:19 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · RX1RII in 2023?

I bought a used RX1ii last year and love it. I expected to buy a Leica Q2M instead, but I was really underwhelmed by the Q2 lens (the rest of the camera was great). By contrast, the lens on the RX1Rii is stellar. Its ergonomics are not as nice as the Leica, but I actually really like the small form factor.

I have not had issues with battery life. In fact, I charged two batteries a month ago, then only put them into the camera last week. They still had full charge.

I have the 35GM, and while I really like it, its rendering is different from the RX1Rii. They complement each other very nicely.

Jim

Mar 03, 2023 at 11:23 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · RX1RII in 2023?

I’m still regularly using my original rx1. Let alone the later model and I still get “wow what camera did you use”. I also don’t heavily post process.

The only issues:

You really need to zone focus for street photography, which is a bit annoying given it resets range when sleeping and battery life is poor. Forget night street

If you shoot kids and pets, af is too slow by current standards. Though plenty of film shooters worked with worse.

It’s not weather sealed

Where it absolutely shines - travel. City walk around. If you love 35mm, which I do. The IQ is still phenomenal

I guess some people have had issues where manual focus broke, or autofocus broke - I haven’t yet. I mix use between having the rrs grip on or not. It depends where I’m going.

I personally think the used price for the rxr ii is too high and I’d buy an x100v, the iq isn’t as “purely” good. But it also has a unique look and it’s a better piece of technology. On the other hand for £500 the original for me is worth a punt if you can find one that’s been barely used.

Regarding the rx100 series. I can’t pick a photo out from the iv version (which has just about the same iq as the rest) from my iPhone 13 Pro Max. I never take it anywhere anymore, it’s not worth adding the weight for me. The rx10 is a different story I think but the 24-70 that’s covered by my version of the rx100 is equalled by my phone which is far more convenient and always with me. While it’s a great camera, anyone wanting a rx/Leica q2/x100v probably won’t find the iq great, and it’s poor in anything but good light (as in the phone computational does much better)

Mar 04, 2023 at 04:32 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · RX1RII in 2023?

I bought a used RX1r2 three years ago because I found a good deal and I wanted something discrete with high-IQ to take with me to Havana, Cuba. I had every intention of selling when I got back.

Three years later and my A9 is hardly touched while my RX1 goes almost everywhere with me. Yes, all the complaints are true. But I love the camera.

If you find a good deal, buy it. Give it few months (or preferably a week long trip). If you don't love it despite its faults you can probably sell it for what you paid. Or you might still love it three years later.

Mar 04, 2023 at 10:00 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · RX1RII in 2023?

I still go back to the best solution being an A7cR...with the 61mp sensor from the A75 & a better viewfinder. Plenty of small lens choices these days so the user can decide if they want wide/fast/manual focus (something like a CV 21 3.5).

Mar 04, 2023 at 11:35 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · RX1RII in 2023?

Just to chime in, I am looking to get the original RX1(r) but prices seem out of wack on ebay? Past few auctions have seen decent copies go for roughly $1,000. Makes the Mark II at maybe 2x the price seem more appealing.

May 11, 2023 at 01:26 PM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · RX1RII in 2023?

Agreed that prices are inflated on eBay. I wonder if they'll release version 3 anytime soon.

May 14, 2023 at 05:37 PM

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