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Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

  
 
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If Nikon has work planned for March 28 ending at 18:30, is something going to happen at 18:31 or are we going to wait until the next day?

Due to time zones being what they are, I have every intention of being asleep March 28 18:31...



Mar 20, 2023 at 10:54 PM
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Oscarsmadness wrote:
If Nikon has work planned for March 28 ending at 18:30, is something going to happen at 18:31 or are we going to wait until the next day?

Due to time zones being what they are, I have every intention of being asleep March 28 18:31...


Nikon has never kept a camera secret up until launch day, at least not one anyone cared about. I suspect whatever is coming March 28, you will know what it is before the exact announcement



Mar 20, 2023 at 11:04 PM
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Isn’t that true of Sony and Canon as well? Pretty sure they all “accidentally” leak everything beforehand to build excitement. Apple does the same thing.

CanadaMark wrote:
Nikon has never kept a camera secret up until launch day, at least not one anyone cared about. I suspect whatever is coming March 28, you will know what it is before the exact announcement




Mar 20, 2023 at 11:18 PM
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CanadaMark wrote:
at least not one anyone cared about.


Now there's the truth



Mar 20, 2023 at 11:19 PM
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In less than a month since February 24, 2023, seventeen pages of speculations on an up and coming release of a camera while almost no concern about the present economy with 3 major US bank failures within a week, 161,000 technology job losses in 2022 and 140,000 so far this year base on official statistics with another 10,000 announced by Meta last week and 9,000 by Amazon today.
I really wonder if all those who speculate on an up and coming camera are just hobbyists or retirists because there are so little paying photography jobs left in this world with most going to free lancers including the presses.
If it is just for the fun of photography, any cameras made in the past 10 years will do.
How many here really think about getting better exposure and controlling white balancing with their present gears like understanding the difference between Lux for quantity and °K for quality because none of the cameras even the up and coming can do that properly including what Nikon has just announced on multi-zones WB measurements.
By not understanding the difference between Lux and °K and how to link them there is no way to improve on WB because there is no direct link at this moment.
Just for example a scene with 400 Lux brightness can have a variation of 2,000 to 10,000 °K for color temperature and only one narrow range actually represents the scene well.
No camera or equipment manufacturers has come to this stage of understanding yet.
And I had been researching and investing in tools & softwares instead of cameras and lenses to try to do just that since the pandemics.
Enjoy!



Mar 20, 2023 at 11:46 PM
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jwolfe wrote:
Isn’t that true of Sony and Canon as well? Pretty sure they all “accidentally” leak everything beforehand to build excitement. Apple does the same thing.



I don't know if they do it on purpose, probably sometimes yes, sometimes no, but as any new product nears release, way too many people know about it for there to be zero leaks. Take smartphones for example, 3-4 months out we know 80-90% of what the new phones will have thanks to leaks from part suppliers and factory workers and how quick the refresh cycle is. Accessory manufacturers also get precise dimensions/specifications (depending on the accessory) well in advance of releases as well. The companies themselves don't have to do anything at all, of the hundreds of people "in the know", there will always be leaks.



Mar 21, 2023 at 12:14 AM
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ilkka_nissila wrote:
I thought the cobalt goes to Chinese manufacturing industry. Perhaps they can invent new technology for batteries to circumvent these problems.

Fossil fuel use causes an estimated 3.6-8.7 million deaths per year.

No, apparently rare earths are only for EV.



Mar 21, 2023 at 12:35 AM
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A bit more back on topic.

I am seeing more and more possible "preparing of the ground" for the upcoming release. This video from the most dishonest and biased YouTuber in the camera blogosphere is possibly such an example. Since this YouTuber is watched primarily by Nikon's existing user base it looks targeted to prepare them for certain aspects of the new camera. It seems to me that Mr. Irwin is comonly used by Nikon in this and other deniable ways.

From this it may be that we are seeing some aspects of the new (Z8?) camera. Since one of the primary things that have kept many current Nikon users away from the Z9 is the huge form factor, this is stressed in the video. Many have expressed a desire for a small form factor camera as close to a Z9 in perfaomance as possible. This video focused on making claims about advantages a larger form factor provides. Does that indicate that the Z8 will have a signifacantly larger form factor and weight that the competition used in the video compares to?

Another feature of the two cameras (Sony A7RV, Canon R5) that the videao focuses on is very high resolution. This video makes a point of saying that the resolution differences between 45 +- sensors, and 60 +- sensors is not significant for stills. It also makes a point of saying that this allows for full frame 8K video rather than cropped. Does this indicate that the resolution of the new camera will be in this 45+- range. Setting expectations possibly?

There are also comparisions to the advantage of a stacked sensor that the Sony and Canon cameras don't have. Does this reveal that the new camera may have a stacked sensor?

I have already pointed out that this camera will likely be released with the fanfare of finally a "mirrorless Nikon D850 equivent" is available. The D850 is probably the camera that the Nikon user base is most proud of. For good reason I will add.

Watch this video with an eye towards seeing what may be being revealed about the upcoming camera's features. Mass movements of users from a different brand no matter the feature set is not likely at this point. Convincing new camera buyers to enter the market at this price point is also a difficult sale. Neither of these is not going to drive the numbers Nikon needs from this release. No, Nikon's goal will be to inspire it's huge current user base to embrace and upgrade to the new camera.

Nikon's marketing and sales efforts will be done with this end in mind. Handling objections to weight and form factor, if it is still a large camera close to the D850 in size, and larger that the competions must be addressed. Best to begin this in advance of release as an offensive, rather than post release from a defensive perspective. This is clearly a concern in the Nikon advocate community like Matt Irwin. For confirmation, and possible insight into the features set, look for this to propgate through that community as we approach announcement date.

The feature so far completely passed over in Matt Irwin's video is the elephant in the room, auto focus performance. This is also revealing. It is highly unlikely that it will match the A7RV's new AI based AF processor in this regard. Best not to go there at this time. Advantages specific to the new camer are better to concentrate on. Most likely it will match the Z9 level AF performance if it is a stacked sensor. Frankly, for me since I view the Z9 and A1 AF to be at parity, and I wouldn't switch my A1 for an A7RV, that would be fine for me.

If the camera is a bit larger than the competition, is medium high mid 40s resolution (my preference over 60mpx), a stacked sensor, and a strong video performer, it may just be the new best performing "all arounder camera" in the mirrorless World in my opinion. That would be a great thing for Nikon, and my loyal Nikon friends. A win for all.



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Mar 23, 2023 at 11:46 AM
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Steve,
That's pretty much how I understood Matt's video..
So, what's your best guess about price for this potential release, if it happens to be what you framed it like?
Thanks!
George



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cvrle59 wrote:
Steve,
That's pretty much how I understood Matt's video..
So, what's your best guess about price for this potential release, if it happens to be what you framed it like?
Thanks!
George


My best guess at this point is $4,000 U.S. plus or minus a bit. That I think was also implied in Matt Irwin's video.




Mar 23, 2023 at 01:02 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
A bit more back on topic.

I am seeing more and more possible "preparing of the ground" for the upcoming release. This video from the most dishonest and biased YouTuber in the camera blogosphere is possibly such an example. Since this YouTuber is watched primarily by Nikon's existing user base it looks targeted to prepare them for certain aspects of the new camera. It seems to me that Mr. Irwin is comonly used by Nikon in this and other deniable ways.

From this it may be that we are seeing some aspects of the new (Z8?) camera. Since one of the primary
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I think your analysis is sound. Honestly, I’m having a hard time getting excited about this camera. But if it makes other Nikon users happy, I’ll be glad for them.



Mar 23, 2023 at 01:16 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
A bit more back on topic.

I am seeing more and more possible "preparing of the ground" for the upcoming release. This video from the most dishonest and biased YouTuber in the camera blogosphere is possibly such an example. Since this YouTuber is watched primarily by Nikon's existing user base it looks targeted to prepare them for certain aspects of the new camera. It seems to me that Mr. Irwin is comonly used by Nikon in this and other deniable ways.

From this it may be that we are seeing some aspects of the new (Z8?) camera. Since one of the primary
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A bit rough on Mr Irwin! Biased as hell (like the competition) but not dishonest. More like an enthusiastic Labrador, a really nice fellow without malice. And posts the most beautiful footage in this otherwise bleak genre.



Mar 23, 2023 at 02:09 PM
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JadedWriter wrote:
Personally I hope the Z8 is more of an A9 like than an A7RV like. Been wanting a lower rez high iso beast for awhile now.


My friend's A9 is awesome for birds. I'm hoping the Z8 will be much better AF than my Z7ii. Or I wait for the Z6iii and hope that's the camera for me.



Mar 23, 2023 at 02:18 PM
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Thom Hogan seems to think that rather than a Z8, Nikon will announce the Z6 III.

I think this makes a lot of sense as it would bring the speed improvements due to Expeed 7 to a more affordable camera which would be great for journalists and wedding photographers, among others. A 24 MP or similar sensor would maintain the edge in high ISO image quality over the Z9's 45 MP. It would also not directly impact the sales of the Z9 as the cameras would be very different.



Mar 23, 2023 at 02:28 PM
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If Nikon really makes a Z8 that’s huge and doesn’t compete well with the A7RV they are gonna cook their own goose. It HAS to have just as good of AF as the Z9 or what’s the point? And making it huge compared to the Sony makes no sense. The A1 is the same size as the A7 and A9 series.

1bwana1 wrote:
My best guess at this point is $4,000 U.S. plus or minus a bit. That I think was also implied in Matt Irwin's video.





Mar 23, 2023 at 03:38 PM
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jwolfe wrote:
If Nikon really makes a Z8 that’s huge and doesn’t compete well with the A7RV they are gonna cook their own goose. It HAS to have just as good of AF as the Z9 or what’s the point? And making it huge compared to the Sony makes no sense. The A1 is the same size as the A7 and A9 series.


It would be nice if all of those Sony cameras (A1/7/9) were a bit bigger, but not D850 sized



Mar 23, 2023 at 03:54 PM
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Put a grip on it. Solved. TBH the grip on the newest versions is perfect. And I have big hands.

Buckeye2604 wrote:
It would be nice if all of those Sony cameras (A1/7/9) were a bit bigger, but not D850 sized




Mar 23, 2023 at 04:21 PM
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