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Archive 2023 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

ArizonaImage wrote:

We MAY see the Z8 and hopefully Z6 III.

Which new specifications should a Z6III have?

Feb 24, 2023 at 01:39 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

Mostly that the II is replaced by a III, bonus points if it's printed on the body so everyone knows you upgraded.

Feb 24, 2023 at 03:23 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

I hope for news over the 35 1,2 and would love a Nikon (Tamron) 35-150 2-2.8

Feb 24, 2023 at 03:29 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

Ripolini wrote:
Which new specifications should a Z6III have?

I will venture (a guess with no facts to back it up) to say that it will be evolutionary in nature. It will have:

Approximately a 33 mpx non-stacked BSI CMOS Sony sensor.

A new more powerful single image processor

Much improved AF - maybe a surprise in processing power here

It will have much more comprehensive customization abilities

It will shoot between max 8 and 14 fps depending on shutter type and file type.

File formats matching the Z9

base ISO of 100

IBIS between 5.5 and 8 stops

4K 60p video and all the normal lower modes from there.

Two card slots - either two CFEX-B - or more likely one CFXE-B and one SD.

It will accept a battery grip.

You will be able to choose Electronic or Mechanical Shutter

Silent mode for slow action

Shutter can be set to protect sensor

Fully articulating rear screen similar to Z9 but slightly down scaled in some way.

Better EVF, probably similar rear screen.

Better WiFi and connectivity options.

USB charging and image downloading

Many of the enhanced software based feature of the Z9 in things like focus stacking, time lapse, bracketing, and possibly some sort of pixelshift implementation.

Nikon will come up some feature or two that is software based that is unique to them so marketing has some things to work with. No idea what those could be. But they are always interesting to learn about.

It will have the famous great Nikon build quality, weather sealing, familiar button placement (but more?) and physical ergonomics that Nikon users prefer.

It will be fully competitive in it feature set, priced slightly below its direct competitors.

It will be hard to get for a short while, but not like the Z9. In the long term it will be Nikon's #1 selling FF camera.

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Feb 24, 2023 at 03:30 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

1bwana1 wrote:
Truth be told Nikon doesn't make sensors at all. Currently, it is all Sony sensors driving current Nikon cameras.

More correctly said "Unless they design a new sensor", and possibly contract with a new fabricator.

The great thing about technology is that disruption is always lurking right around the corner...

I didn't specify who "they" was in an attempt to avoid a response like this. I refer to it as my DPR training.

It has failed...

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Point being, the next camera doesn't have to rely on the last camera for parts.

Feb 24, 2023 at 03:31 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

Max Power wrote:
I didn't specify who "they" was in an attempt to avoid a response like this. I refer to it as my DPR training.

It has failed...

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Point being, the next camera doesn't have to rely on the last camera for parts.

An undefined "they" actually encourages discussion on sources. You got a response that was exactly what you asked for.

In any case it looks like we agree that the "they" is not Nikon. My response clearly allows for a "they" that is not the current one, and doesn't have to rely on current parts and technologies, so we also agree on that it seems.

Feb 24, 2023 at 03:38 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

RoamingScott wrote:
Pixelshift is ... for very limited situations [and] I'd never ... buy a camera for that feature

molson wrote:
I've been around long enough to remember when people were saying the very same thing about through-the-lens metering, and automatic exposure, and autofocus, and digital imaging

Sure, but those people weren't wrong [yet]. Those things all started out sucking and, indeed, being "for very limited situations". A pro photographer has to buy what will get them the shot today, not for bragging rights of overpaying to be the first to beta test things that don't work yet.

I'm not an engineer and can't speculate on why an IBIS mechanism which can stabilize shots at 20fps can only stitch them at 2fps, but I don't know why we'd be denying that pixel shift is "for very limited situations" and [for most people] "not a feature to buy a camera for" until that problem is solved. If you literally can't freeze the motion of Lord of the Rings Ents, much less stationary landscapes with leaves blowing in the breeze...

Feb 24, 2023 at 04:32 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

Eric214 wrote:
There is a Picture Profile you can load into the camera that someone made that gives real time blown highlights in the EVF for stills. Not zebras but more like blinkies. It just turns any highlights in the EVF black. I have been using it since maybe march or April of last year.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4611664

Thank you Eric. This is an absolute gem.
In one post you have made up for days of my wasted time reading forums!!

Feb 24, 2023 at 04:37 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

Lee Saxon wrote:
If you literally can't freeze the motion of Lord of the Rings Ents, much less stationary landscapes with leaves blowing in the breeze...

I don't know what "Lord of the Rings Ents" are, but you can certainly capture sharp landscapes even with leaves blowing in the breeze with the latest Panasonic cameras using high-res Mode 2. It gives you a very nice 100MP RAW file with the GH6, 96MP on the S1/S5, and a stunning 187MP RAW image with the S1R.

I guess the real trick is being experienced enough to understand when to use these features and when not to.

Feb 24, 2023 at 04:41 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

mlondon wrote:
Thank you Eric. This is an absolute gem.
In one post you have made up for days of my wasted time reading forums!!

Glad to help, sorry it it wasn't sooner for you.

The picture control is a slight bit conservative so if I am a click or 2 lower shutter or higher ISO, the details can still be pulled easily. Though that really could just be the Nikon files which always have almost a full stop or so of highlight recovery. Gotta love Nikon files.

Feb 24, 2023 at 06:04 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

1bwana1 wrote:
I will venture (a guess with no facts to back it up) to say that it will be evolutionary in nature. It will have:

Approximately a 33 mpx non-stacked BSI CMOS Sony sensor.

A new more powerful single image processor

Much improved AF - maybe a surprise in processing power here

It will have much more comprehensive customization abilities

It will shoot between max 8 and 14 fps depending on shutter type and file type.

File formats matching the Z9

base ISO of 100

IBIS between 5.5 and 8 stops

4K 60p video and all the normal lower modes from there.

Two card slots - either two...Show more →

HAHAHA happy you're not too specific! Did you want a hand in designing it!?

Feb 24, 2023 at 06:06 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

1bwana1 wrote:
In the A7RV Sony has released an innovative new technology with a dedicated AF and AI processor. This enhancing a number of things when it comes to AF including Subject identification, acquisition, tracking, motion prediction, and AF speed. This innovation is currently proprietary to Sony. Having shot with this technology it is truly impressive to experience the gains in AF it produces. It absolutely raises the bar in AF.

Has anybody, perhaps on YouTube, actually demonstrated how the A7rv raises the bar/progresses af technology? Everything I’ve seen looks like normal small progression in af tech but nothing groundbreaking that can’t be implemented by other platforms without a special chip with the implementation of specific af algorithms.

Feb 24, 2023 at 06:53 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

The key difference is how it sticks to subjects even when they are obscured, whether it’s by something walking in front, or perhaps a person is turned backwards. The camera understands the shape of the human (as well as other subjects) well enough to approximate their position to not lose focus through interruptions. There are a bunch of YouTube videos that go into this.

Buckeye2604 wrote:
Has anybody, perhaps on YouTube, actually demonstrated how the A7rv raises the bar/progresses af technology? Everything I’ve seen looks like normal small progression in af tech but nothing groundbreaking that can’t be implemented by other platforms without a special chip with the implementation of specific af algorithms.

Feb 24, 2023 at 07:29 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

Comparing the Z9 to the a1, owning one and have used the other, I find the Z9 to be a bit ahead of the a1 overall, certainly not one generation behind.

The other Nikon mirrorless cameras are all basically 4+ years old in terms of core tech.

It would be unreasonable not to expect a huge progress in the Z8.

Feb 24, 2023 at 09:02 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

RoamingScott wrote:
The key difference is how it sticks to subjects even when they are obscured, whether it’s by something walking in front, or perhaps a person is turned backwards. The camera understands the shape of the human (as well as other subjects) well enough to approximate their position to not lose focus through interruptions. There are a bunch of YouTube videos that go into this.

That and noticeably faster subject recognition and acquisition. I have seen a number of demos on this on YouTube.

Feb 24, 2023 at 10:40 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

bernardl wrote:
Comparing the Z9 to the a1, owning one and have used the other, I find the Z9 to be a bit ahead of the a1 overall, certainly not one generation behind.

The other Nikon mirrorless cameras are all basically 4+ years old in terms of core tech.

It would be unreasonable not to expect a huge progress in the Z8.

We would disagree on the A1/Z9 thing. I find them overall roughfly equivielent, one leading is some areas, the other in different areas. The workflow and form factor is significantly different, Different people will lean towards one or the other for those reasons.

Yes, the rest of Nikon's line is significantly behind the the big two in technology. Playing catch up is hard to do when the two main competitors are iterating so quickly, and you are the only one who can't make your own sensors.

That being said, I expect the Z8 and third generation of the Z6/Z7 lines to be current, and fully competative when they are released. I think we agree on that.

Feb 24, 2023 at 10:48 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

1bwana1 wrote:
That and noticeably faster subject recognition and acquisition. I have seen a number of demos on this on YouTube.

Would you or Scott mind linking a video? I’ve been unable to find anything that’s a good demonstration of the camera’s af capabilities.

Feb 25, 2023 at 12:00 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

RoamingScott wrote:
The A7R5 can make faster/more AF calculations per second than the previous non stacked because it dedicates an entire chip to it. Nikon has no such tech (yet). In general, Nikon performance lags a generation behind Sony.

I understand that A7R5 has an entire chip, but the A7IV does not, correct? And it also has very reliable AF, so has anyone compared the A7IV AF to the Z9? Can it compete? Or is the A7IV a step behind and maybe what we should expect from a non-stacked Nikon sensor with the Expeed 7 processors?

Feb 25, 2023 at 02:13 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

RoamingScott wrote:
Nikon prioritized features like focus stacking which people actually want.

If Nikon really prioritized focus stacking I shudder to think what they did with features they did not prioritize. Because their implementation of focus stacking is incredibly clumsy.... Open menu, wade through long list of items, select target item, then wade through another list, select again, wait for a few seconds for the camera to get in the mood before shooting... while having no feedback on composition and camera movement all along. Trying to do hand held focus stacking with up close comps where every mm change in camera position matters is an exercise in frustration. Anyone sane would have completed it in a manner that is a lot more user friendly. For example

1) Select focus shit mode from menu. Futz with step size, number of frames, etc if you have to
2) Doing so wakes up the EVF and or LED and keeps it alive for whatever the screen timeout is set to
3) Press the shutter button, the camera starts acquisition immediately at the highest possible frame rate unless shutter delay is set
4) When done the camera remains in focus shift mode until you take it out of it, and returns to the previously active trigger release mode.

If someone can explain the purpose of the few seconds delay between activating focus shift shooting and when the camera starts acquisition please illuminate me.

Feb 25, 2023 at 02:31 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Latest Nikon Rumors - March 25th!

Since the focus shift shooting is initiated by pressing OK on a menu item it would cause shake when the camera is on a tripod, unless there is a delay so that the user can get their hands off the camera after starting the sequence. It's not meant for hand-held use. Getting good results with focus stacking is hard enough that I would not want the chaos of hand-held use to interfere with the process.

However, I agree it would be nice to see Nikon return the lens to the starting position after the sequence so that it can be repeated more easily if something goes wrong (i.e. it the subject moves because of wind during the sequence).

Feb 25, 2023 at 05:20 AM

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