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Save the Date, May 10th




According to NikonRumors, "Major Nikon meetings scheduled for next month (March 2023) – I think we are getting closer to the Z8 announcement"

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2023/02/20/major-nikon-meetings-scheduled-for-next-month-march-2023-i-think-we-are-getting-closer-to-the-z8-announcement.aspx/#ixzz7uCUC0WI9

Nikon is preparing for major new product announcement(s) - We MAY see the Z8 and hopefully Z6 III.

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2023/02/23/nikon-is-preparing-for-major-new-product-announcements.aspx/#ixzz7uCUJUseW

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Feb 23, 2023 at 10:06 PM
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2023 is going to be another great years for the photographers relying on Nikon equipment.


Feb 24, 2023 at 02:01 AM
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Will be interesting. So a Z8 for those interested in 60mp seems to be on the radar but I keep thinking that the 200-600 release will come out with a body that is made for it (like a D500 + 200-500 combo). I'd be surprised to see a crop like a D500 before a D850-like body though.

So.....if a Z7iii comes out with 45mp, 12+ fps, Z9 AF in the Z7ii price range (or a tad higher), I'd say we have a winner for me. Put that together with an internal 200-600mm zoom at a reasonable price and I will come out of my recent purchasing retirement and likely sell off a fair amount of gear to happily fund them.



Feb 24, 2023 at 02:21 AM
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Will be interesting. So a Z8 for those interested in 60mp seems to be on the radar but I keep thinking that the 200-600 release will come out with a body that is made for it (like a D500 + 200-500 combo). I'd be surprised to see a crop like a D500 before a D850-like body though.

So.....if a Z7iii comes out with 45mp, 12+ fps, Z9 AF in the Z7ii price range (or a tad higher), I'd say we have a winner for me. Put that together with an internal 200-600mm zoom at a reasonable price and I will come
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It'll probably be an either or thing. A Z8 like that would essentially be a "pro" version of the Z7 and correspondingly, the Z7 is basically a Z8-lite. An updated Z7 in that same-ish $3k or a bit higher price range would indeed be a winner for most people. So if they do indeed go with that Z8, I don't see them competing against themselves with the Z8 lite, not only by wasting money on releasing a new body, but also cutting the revenue they would have gotten back after sinking all the costs in designing that new Z8 body.

Nikon as a corporation can do two things. They upsell you the Z8 and not cannibalize it by releasing a Z8-lite. It'll probably have a higher margin and as a customer we'll end up paying more, but hey, it's a pro body. They can also release an updated Z7iii since that's what most people will be happy with. They'll probably earn less per body, but they'll move more units and increase market share.

I don't know what they'll end up doing, but I will be sure whatever they do, there will be people unhappy with it. The question is which bunch and how many will Nikon choose to upset.



Feb 24, 2023 at 04:06 AM
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Any non-stacked sensor will not have Z9 level auto focus. The only question about the Z8 is whether or not it has a stacked sensor. If it does, it will be the 45 megapixel sensor from the Z9. If it doesn’t, it could be a variety of different sensors, and accordingly could become a variety of different cameras.

The only way you get a mini Z9 is with that Z9 sensor.



Feb 24, 2023 at 08:15 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Any non-stacked sensor will not have Z9 level auto focus. The only question about the Z8 is whether or not it has a stacked sensor. If it does, it will be the 45 megapixel sensor from the Z9. If it doesn’t, it could be a variety of different sensors, and accordingly could become a variety of different cameras.

The only way you get a mini Z9 is with that Z9 sensor.


Question, is the Sony A1 AF that much faster than the A7IV and A7RV? Because from what I can see, the latter are pretty damn impressive, neither of which are stacked. So how much of AF speed is sensor readout vs. algorithm?



Feb 24, 2023 at 08:52 AM
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The A7R5 can make faster/more AF calculations per second than the previous non stacked because it dedicates an entire chip to it. Nikon has no such tech (yet). In general, Nikon performance lags a generation behind Sony.

novalaker wrote:
Question, is the Sony A1 AF that much faster than the A7IV and A7RV? Because from what I can see, the latter are pretty damn impressive, neither of which are stacked. So how much of AF speed is sensor readout vs. algorithm?




Feb 24, 2023 at 09:05 AM
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novalaker wrote:
Question, is the Sony A1 AF that much faster than the A7IV and A7RV? Because from what I can see, the latter are pretty damn impressive, neither of which are stacked. So how much of AF speed is sensor readout vs. algorithm?


In the A7RV Sony has released an innovative new technology with a dedicated AF and AI processor. This enhancing a number of things when it comes to AF including Subject identification, acquisition, tracking, motion prediction, and AF speed. This innovation is currently proprietary to Sony. Having shot with this technology it is truly impressive to experience the gains in AF it produces. It absolutely raises the bar in AF.

The A1 stacked sensor also offers benefits to AF that non stacked sensors do not. But it also provides a much improved user experience through a more seamless EVF, faster FPS, and electronic shutter without artifacts among them. Of course the combination of the two technologies will be the best possible solution. It is anticipated that the A1 (II) will have that.

We really don't have much insight at this time as to what the rumored Z8 will be. I find it difficult to believe that it will be just 60 mpx camera in a Nikon wrapper. I can't imagine that it would take this long, and be so closely guarded in specifications, to produce what would basically be a generations old A7RIV competitor. If that turns out to be the case it will be a big disappointment to many. That would not drive the sales numbers and market share improvements that Nikon needs. Nikon cannot continue to rely on pent up demand for better technology from its existing user base. Nikon needs to compete at the forefront of technology.

In general Scott's assertation that Nikon is a generation behind (in the cases of the Z6II/Z7II more) has validity. We will need to see if this pattern holds. The next few Months of product announcements/releases will be interesting in that regard. Fingers crossed for surprises to the upside.



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Feb 24, 2023 at 10:38 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Any non-stacked sensor will not have Z9 level auto focus. The only question about the Z8 is whether or not it has a stacked sensor. If it does, it will be the 45 megapixel sensor from the Z9. If it doesn’t, it could be a variety of different sensors, and accordingly could become a variety of different cameras.

The only way you get a mini Z9 is with that Z9 sensor.


Unless they make a new one.



Feb 24, 2023 at 10:43 AM
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Max Power wrote:
Unless they make a new one.


Truth be told Nikon doesn't make sensors at all. Currently, it is all Sony sensors driving current Nikon cameras.

More correctly said "Unless they design a new sensor", and possibly contract with a new fabricator.

The great thing about technology is that disruption is always lurking right around the corner...




Feb 24, 2023 at 10:46 AM
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Personally I hope the Z8 is more of an A9 like than an A7RV like. Been wanting a lower rez high iso beast for awhile now.


Feb 24, 2023 at 10:48 AM
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Max Power wrote:
Unless they make a new one.


Extremely unlikely. A big amount of investment went into the Z9 sensor, and it's a great sensor with immense capabilities when combined with the new Expeed. No need to reinvent the wheel. They would be smart to reuse this sensor in different models, or modify it to a lower MP sensor like Marcus suggest for a stacked 24/26mp body.

Just about all of Nikon's sensors are fantastic. Most of the bodies are crippled by the old Expeed. It would be interesting to see just what gains combining the current non-stacked sensors with better CPU power.

I still believe a Z7iii with a reused sensor but modern Expeed would be a better camera than the A7R4, if not quite up to the A7R5's AF abilities. The 45mp sensor is so much cleaner than the 61mp sensor, and has the added lower base ISO than any of Sony's. This hypothetical camera would be an extremely compelling landscape camera that could do far more than just landscape/still portraits like the Z7/Z7ii.



Feb 24, 2023 at 10:51 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
I still believe a Z7iii with a reused sensor but modern Expeed would be a better camera than the A7R4, if not quite up to the A7R5's AF abilities. The 45mp sensor is so much cleaner than the 61mp sensor, and has the added lower base ISO than any of Sony's. This hypothetical camera would be an extremely compelling landscape camera that could do far more than just landscape/still portraits like the Z7/Z7ii.


The 64 base ISO is a choice not an innovation. It is just choosing a different set of compromises. A very small improvement to a narrow range of ISO at base, at the cost of some performance at higher ISOs. It is not unique to Nikon sensors either. In fact this lower ISO 64 base is already available on the A7RIV/A7RV sensor. That is what is in the 60 mpx Sony sensor being used in the Leica M11 as one example.

https://www.dxomark.com/leica-m11-sensor-test/

It is basically (pun intendended) just a manufactures preference when it orders sensors from Sony.

A 64 ISO, 60 mpx sensor optimized for use with Leica, Voigtlander, and Zeiss MF glass, now that may be the best landscape camera in the FF World. It already exists...

Or, is it the new Sony A7RV with working pixels shift technology. It is amazing. I'm sorry but nothing you can do with the Z7II can approach this level of resolution and detail in the final image. It produces an over 5 foot wide image at full 300 dpi with zero enlargement needed. You have to see it printed to believe how good it is. It already exists too ...



What is Nikon going to bring as new innovation to this already amazing table?



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Feb 24, 2023 at 11:47 AM
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Not every one of my comments is a personal attack on your sensibilities, Steve.

I have shot tens of thousands of images with both the A7R4 and Z7ii. I'm well equipped to compare the difference in IQ between the sensors (a sensor shared in the A7R5). Nikons consistently meter better than Sony, and have less false color cast in even RAW files. I'm editing less than I ever have since moving to Nikon. That's pretty darn cool to me.

Pixelshift is a parlor trick for very limited situations, across all brands. I'd never in a million years buy a camera for that feature, no matter how good it is, and I think many would agree.

And I have stitched images, taken where the subject matter allowed it, that have far more resolution than a single pixel shift file That includes both Sony and Nikon. You should see THOSE prints.

Many of these features are just software. Nikon prioritized features like focus stacking which people actually want. Sony leaned into PixelShift which...people don't want as much. Any of these cameras could do any of these functions if the manufacturer wanted them to. Funny that both of these features are totally half assed, too. Both cameras should output the final file from the camera directly, instead of relying on external computer programs. Olympus has had this figured out for a LONG time.

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Feb 24, 2023 at 11:59 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Not every one of my comments is a personal attack on your sensibilities, Steve.

I have shot tens of thousands of images with both the A7R4 and Z7ii. I'm well equipped to compare the difference in IQ between the sensors (a sensor shared in the A7R5). Nikons consistently meter better than Sony, and have less false color cast in even RAW files. I'm editing less than I ever have since moving to Nikon. That's pretty darn cool to me.

Pixelshift is a parlor trick for very limited situations, across all brands. I'd never in a million years buy a camera for that
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I don't take any of your comments as a personal attack of any kind. Neither are my comments an attack on yours. I just don't always agree with what you say, so engage in discussion about it.

Just like your views on the differences in IQ with the 100-400s you rely on personal preferences, not measurable data to determine some sort of general false superiority. I fully accept your views as valid for you. My experiences differ from yours, and are just as valid for me. That is my point. I think that both system are superb, and produce resulting prints that would be fully accepted by even the most discriminating. You made claims about the advantages of base ISO Nikon has that are not true over the full available ISO range, nor unique to Nikon. I just presented facts regarding that. Now you switch to 100% personal preferences like colors and editing. I never disagree with those because they are subjective and I accept that for you they are true. So, on the personal side I 100% agree with you. No attacks in either direction there.

Pixelshift is not a parlor trick. It's advantages are objectively measurable. It is a valuable tool in some circumstances, for use in some purposes. As you have said, Nikon is a generation behind in some technologies. I view Pixelshift as one of these. It is a positive to have it available, not a negative. Just like focus stacking was an advantage for the Nikon cameras because it was lacking in the Sony cameras. Since added, but I am not sure the implementation is as good.

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RoamingScott wrote:
Pixelshift is a parlor trick for very limited situations, across all brands. I'd never in a million years buy a camera for that feature, no matter how good it is, and I think many would agree.


I've been around long enough to remember when people were saying the very same thing about through-the-lens metering, and automatic exposure, and autofocus, and digital imaging...

One "gimmick" I wish Nikon would give us is exposure zebras for still imaging, because their exposure metering truly sucks compared to virtually every other camera brand.

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Feb 24, 2023 at 12:17 PM
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molson wrote:
I've been around long enough to remember when people were saying the very same thing about through-the-lens metering, and automatic exposure, and autofocus, and digital imaging...


Exactly. Ask a Leica M shooter and he thinks all of those things are unnecessary. personally I shoot Leica M, Sony A1, and still a bit of Nikon, which are kind of on opposite sides of this spectrum of features. I enjoy all for different reasons, situations, and moods.

It is a definitive step forward in technology just like AF, and now AI. Sony is far from being the only manufacturer including this technology in their products these days.

I agree on the Zebras. When shooting serious landscapes I am usually on a tripod doing everything in manual mode. Zebras help me make sure I am not blowing any highlights, I have great latitude in recovering shadows. So between Zebras and Histograms, WYSIWYG, and all the other manual focus and exposure aids I have no problems with the files getting all the usable data I need.

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molson wrote:
I've been around long enough to remember when people were saying the very same thing about through-the-lens metering, and automatic exposure, and autofocus, and digital imaging...

One "gimmick" I wish Nikon would give us is exposure zebras for still imaging, because their exposure metering truly sucks compared to virtually every other camera brand.


There is a Picture Profile you can load into the camera that someone made that gives real time blown highlights in the EVF for stills. Not zebras but more like blinkies. It just turns any highlights in the EVF black. I have been using it since maybe march or April of last year.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4611664



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1bwana1 wrote:
Pixelshift is not a parlor trick. It's advantages are objectively measurable. It is a valuable tool in some circumstances, for use in some purposes. As you have said, Nikon is a generation behind in some technologies. I view Pixelshift as one of these. It is a positive to have it available, not a negative. Just like focus stacking was an advantage for the Nikon cameras because it was lacking in the Sony cameras. Since added, but I am not sure the implementation is as good.


I for one would love to see a Z6 III with pixelshift if implemented like OM Systems OM-1 where it could be used with a tripod as well as handheld, I agree as well it is not a parlor trick (when done right). Hopefully Z6 III will be announced next month or two...



Feb 24, 2023 at 12:59 PM
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Eric214 wrote:
There is a Picture Profile you can load into the camera that someone made that gives real time blown highlights in the EVF for stills. Not zebras but more like blinkies. It just turns any highlights in the EVF black. I have been using it since maybe march or April of last year.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4611664


Hey Eric ... I just grabbed that Picture Profile. Neat! Thanks for the info.



Feb 24, 2023 at 01:26 PM
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