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1bwana1 wrote:
Thanks.

Not trying to be rude, but I have to say that if that was the kind of detail I was getting out of my Sony 100-400 GM at 400mm I would come to similar conclusions as you have about the lens. Maybe my copy is a bit better.



These are low res embeds that look like trash on FM. The point was how much the subject fills the frame at 400.

Neither of these photos exhibit the issues I was previously talking about. I had zero issues with sharpness of the 100-400.



Feb 13, 2023 at 01:13 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
These are low res embeds that look like trash on FM. The point was how much the subject fills the frame at 400.

Neither of these photos exhibit the issues I was previously talking about. I had zero issues with sharpness of the 100-400.


Good to hear. My experience walking around and shooting the Sony 100-400 GM in a park setting has been good. I expect great sharpness, detail, and smooth/pleasant rendering of the background from mine. Even in low res FM posts. Even better on the A1 instead of the lower res A9.






  ILCE-9    FE 100-400mm F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens    400mm    f/6.3    1/1000s    3200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Feb 13, 2023 at 01:36 PM
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Sadly I shoot for both money and fun. Work is basically mandatory Nikon because it's what I like shooting on the most. For fun I sometimes branch out and it's still Nikon for the most part. I have two NYC subway ads shot on Z mount. For me the stuff works.
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If you are not shooting for money I say never use any equipment you don't enjoy using. Pick something that inspires you, and brings you joy when using it.

This not only in regards to photography, but life in general.






Feb 13, 2023 at 06:09 PM
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Well, that went in a different direction, thanks all for the inputs on the 100-400 and 400/4.5 use cases. I'd been toying with the idea of getting a giant old 500 F/4 AI-P and TC-14B for grins and giggles, but ya'lls discussion is steering me towards the ease of use of either a 100-400 after a few more months or possibly 400/4.5 as those come down in price. Either would scratch the itch for a longer lens option that is still relatively compact very well..


Feb 14, 2023 at 10:17 AM
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p.5 #5 · p.5 #5 · Steve Perry's video, comparing the A1 to the Z9


I used to use a 500 f4 P with a TC-16A at air shows. Believe me, if you use that hand held you'll be able to cut back on your weight lifting .

Rob



Feb 14, 2023 at 11:46 AM
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RobMoser wrote:
I used to use a 500 f4 P with a TC-16A at air shows. Believe me, if you use that hand held you'll be able to cut back on your weight lifting .

Rob


Yup, somewhere I have a photo of my oldest as a toddler next to a 300 2.8 ED AI-S with the additional hood installed. Lens was nearly as long as him. I had a few pretty good handheld shots from that lens, but I was 24 at the time...



Feb 14, 2023 at 02:28 PM
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p.5 #7 · p.5 #7 · Steve Perry's video, comparing the A1 to the Z9


Another comparison along similar lines, this time from a Canon R5 user:
https://youtu.be/c-VhtBcgXLQ



Feb 14, 2023 at 05:08 PM
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Alistair1 wrote:
Another comparison along similar lines, this time from a Canon R5 user:
https://youtu.be/c-VhtBcgXLQ


And he's not even running 3.01



Feb 14, 2023 at 05:25 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
And he's not even running 3.01


He is no Steve Perry either.




Feb 14, 2023 at 07:43 PM
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I was pretty curious to hear his "negatives" as a Canon convert. Turns out it wasn't much at all, not that that's shocking, as I find Canon to be completely shooting themselves in the foot with their R designs.

Like many youtube photographers, his work could be shot on any system.



Feb 14, 2023 at 08:40 PM
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For as big as the Z9 is and how people complain about it I reach for that camera a lot.


Feb 14, 2023 at 09:49 PM
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JadedWriter wrote:
For as big as the Z9 is and how people complain about it I reach for that camera a lot.



I have a friend who says that about his girlfriend.



Feb 14, 2023 at 11:53 PM
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Thick handgrips save lives.
1bwana1 wrote:
I have a friend who says that about his girlfriend.





Feb 15, 2023 at 12:03 AM
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After participating and following this topic for a long time, I've concluded that this is the story of two imperfect systems that are almost there.

If Nikon came out with a Z9 in a smaller form factor like the A1 and gave the ability to use an add-on grip, the Nikon faithful wouldn't complain. They would look to how Nikon can build a camera just as small as Sony and argue like all Sony users that you can always add a grip to it. The size of the Z9 makes it only useful for wildlife photographers or the Nikon faithful who don't care or can rationalize the size - I recently saw a dad bring his Nikon Z9 out to a local park to take photos of his kids, I was embarrassed for him.

The Sony gap is any wildlife lens beyond the 200-600mm and the two 400mm and 600mm prime lenses. The gap is more on the lack of an equivalent options for the 400mm f4.5, 500mm f5.6, and 800mm f6.3 as mid-range options. The Sony 200-600mm has some real size limitations that led me to give it up where a smaller prime option for wildlife photography on the move would be preferable. I don't think the 400mm f2.8 and 600mm f4 crowd on either platform would be limited with their photography needs.

I think Nikon will probably get to the Z8 sooner than Sony can build a set of more compact telephoto primes but we'll see.



Feb 15, 2023 at 12:04 AM
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A group of imperfect creatures communing about imperfect things. Lots of ego with “mines better” limiting mentalities always perusing that next level of narrow band “perfection”.


Feb 15, 2023 at 03:12 AM
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tzhang4284 wrote:
After participating and following this topic for a long time, I've concluded that this is the story of two imperfect systems that are almost there.

If Nikon came out with a Z9 in a smaller form factor like the A1 and gave the ability to use an add-on grip, the Nikon faithful wouldn't complain. They would look to how Nikon can build a camera just as small as Sony and argue like all Sony users that you can always add a grip to it. The size of the Z9 makes it only useful for wildlife photographers or the Nikon faithful who
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Agree 100%!




Feb 15, 2023 at 04:27 AM
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tzhang4284 wrote:
If Nikon came out with a Z9 in a smaller form factor like the A1 and gave the ability to use an add-on grip, the Nikon faithful wouldn't complain. They would look to how Nikon can build a camera just as small as Sony and argue like all Sony users that you can always add a grip to it. The size of the Z9 makes it only useful for wildlife photographers or the Nikon faithful who don't care or can rationalize the size - I recently saw a dad bring his Nikon Z9 out to a local park to take
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While some Nikon users no doubt prefer small cameras, for me most of Nikon's cameras are already too small, and I find cameras such as the Z6 II to have too few direct controls, electrical connections are in an awkward place, and use of on-camera bounced flash is clumsy because of the small size of the camera compared to the flash.

I generally prefer the integrated vertical grip cameras as I shoot a lot of verticals and prefer symmetrical operation in the two orientations. These cameras are just a much better fit for my hands. With Sony bodies I find the gap between the fingers around the main grip and the lens is too small for me to be comfortable with. Canon is the market overall leader and they also make large camera bodies in the mid and high end even to the point that the camera chassis has surprising empty space in some models so they must know something about what photographers prefer in terms of camera shape and size which is different from what Sony thinks is appropriate (i.e. make the device as small as it can be while fitting all the components). The integral vertical grip cameras do not feel the same as cameras with add-on vertical grips as there is usually a bit of flex in the joint between the add-on grip and the camera body, and the organization of controls is nicer in the integral grip bodies simply because there is no "gap" where controls cannot be positioned, so they the layout can be optimized. Also there is usually more space around the main grip and thus thick winter gloves can be used more easily in these larger camera bodies.

I don't restrict myself to using integral grip camera bodies as sometimes a smaller camera is a better fit for a situation. This is why there are different models available on the market. But picking up an integral vertical grip camera feels like coming home. I use a smaller camera for landscape photography because my landscape images are not hand-held and there is no disadvantage to the smaller size apart from the worse battery life in very cold (-25C) conditions, so I have to have multiple batteries under those conditions, whereas with the integral vertical grip cameras I could shoot two days on one charge and basically never have to think about battery charge level under normal conditions. I find that the larger battery is not as quickly depleted in these conditions (not only because of its larger capacity but somehow also I feel it takes a longer time to reach low temperatures where the output would be adversely affected). I also sometimes use a smaller camera when photographing people casually simply not to bring attention to the camera. However, I can't really get past that many smaller cameras are an awkward fit for my hands and I think there is always a space in my kit for integral vertical grip models and those are the ones I use most of the time. Not because it's necessary but because I prefer their handling.

As for large supertelephoto lenses, I can understand the motivation to minimize the total weight you have to hold in your hands. I am mostly a tripod shooter when it comes to long lenses so hand-held use of a 600/4 is just not something I could comfortably do, whether the camera body is small or large. However, a 400/4.5 with Z9 feels very hand-holdable and balanced in my hands and would be something I could use hand-held. For me the important thing is not as much the absolute weight but where it is located and having it close to the body is easier for my body than having a lot of the weight distributed further out.

However, each individual is different and should choose the appropriate kit that feels "right" to use for their body and applications.



Feb 15, 2023 at 06:46 AM
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p.5 #18 · p.5 #18 · Steve Perry's video, comparing the A1 to the Z9


Reference the above link on the Alaskan man reviewing the Z9

At 26:14 he begins to discuss how to switch between Auto Area and 3D Tracking.

Please tell me that his explanation is not the only way to switch. Can't be.



Feb 15, 2023 at 07:17 AM
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p.5 #19 · p.5 #19 · Steve Perry's video, comparing the A1 to the Z9


It really depends on the lens. 50/1.2S is more comfortable to use with Z9 than Z7 ii.
My Z7 ii has L-plate attached so my pinky has a place to rest on the grip otherwise it would
be too small.
For street shooting, Z9+ 50/1.2S is my more used set up with Noct Nikkor 58/.95 a distant second.
I don't see why I need to be embarrassed. I used to say that Z7 ii is perfectly fine for me except when
shooting birds and some wildlife but I find Z9 EVF virtually non-lagged, no blackout way too addictive so Z7 ii is relagated more to landscape type shots or as a back up camera.

Some gripped body that is poorly design like GFX100 is a pain to use but not Z9. So I really have no complain regarding Z9 size at the moment except for I dont want a second Z9 as a back up body when I travel.



Feb 15, 2023 at 07:21 AM
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It’s not. In general he has a LOT to learn about his camera and that video should be taken with a grain of salt given some of his apparent knowledge gaps.

bs kite wrote:
Reference the above link on the Alaskan man reviewing the Z9

At 26:14 he begins to discuss how to switch between Auto Area and 3D Tracking.

Please tell me that his explanation is not the only way to switch. Can't be.




Feb 15, 2023 at 07:23 AM
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