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A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

Bruce Sawle wrote:
I love blackout free shooting. Would be hard to go back.

+1

No way I will go back. 👍

K-H.

May 25, 2023 at 05:00 AM

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p.3 #2 · p.3 #2 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

I’m in the same situation. A7r3 and A9. Both are great. But too small and I’d love to combine them into a single body. The Z8 checks all boxes. Probably selling them both and give Nikon a go for photo needs and add an EtZ adapter.

May 25, 2023 at 06:36 AM

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p.3 #3 · p.3 #3 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

3catsinky wrote:
I’m in the same situation. A7r3 and A9. Both are great. But too small and I’d love to combine them into a single body. The Z8 checks all boxes. Probably selling them both and give Nikon a go for photo needs and add an EtZ adapter.

I’d much rather get a used A1 for roughly $4500. I just don’t see you being happy adapting your Sony lenses to a Nikon camera.

May 25, 2023 at 07:28 AM

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p.3 #4 · p.3 #4 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

chez wrote:
I’d much rather get a used A1 for roughly $4500. I just don’t see you being happy adapting your Sony lenses to a Nikon camera.

Where are people finding these used A1s for ~4500?

May 25, 2023 at 07:46 AM

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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

berimbolo wrote:
Where are people finding these used A1s for ~4500?

Take a look at the B&S board here on FM.

May 25, 2023 at 08:04 AM

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p.3 #6 · p.3 #6 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

wind30 wrote:
… do u use Efcs on your a7r5?

The biggest adv of stacked sensor for me is getting around the efcs high shutter speed bokeh issue. It is soooo troublesome turning efcs on and off. Worse I sometimes to forget to turn it off and the pic bokeh is ruined.

Leaving it off seems to make the cam less responsive.

The A7r V has an option to either use the hybrid mechanical shutter, which uses the first electronic shutter and the fully electronic shutter. If you save your file as lossless compressed or uncompressed, there is no difference in the bit file quality. Obviously, the audible shutter sound tells you, which mode you are using.

Bruce Sawle wrote:
I love blackout free shooting. Would be hard to go back.

I have been using my A7r V for a few months now. Recently, I was on a trip to Europe and Morocco for almost 4 weeks. Although I had both my A1 and A7r V with me but I didn’t use the A1 until the last day, just to say that I used everything I took with me on that trip

, The experience of using both cameras for that purpose was virtually the same. That until I had the chance to do some completely unplanned “birding” activities. I left my A1 at the place I stayed and just had the A7r V, not expecting the occasion, with me and my 70-200mm. That’s when I really missed the blackout-free shooting when the target flew around. Obviously, the reach of the 70-200mm was also awfully short but… that’s the longest lens I had with me.

The point I am trying to make is, unless for some birding, sport or other fast action photography, the A7r V is really a remarkable camera and is a superb performer in any other aspect. A few features available with the A7r V may be even useful than what the A1 offers for that purpose. The images due to significant cropping are nothing to write home about but…


	© AGeoJO 2023

Completely unplanned and heavily cropped…

ILCE-7RM5 FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II lens 197mm f/2.8 1/2000s 1250 ISO 0.0 EV

ILCE-7RM5 FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II lens 200mm f/2.8 1/2000s 4000 ISO 0.0 EV

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May 25, 2023 at 08:08 AM

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p.3 #7 · p.3 #7 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

Hey we did not have electronic shutters for decades, its really a new thing and I agree there is not much I can't shoot with a A7RV and yes I had the A1 and I loved it but this checks my buttons better and I have no problem shooting mechanical shutter have for 50 years. This ES stuff is so over hyped on this forum as if you don't have it you can't work, that's BS trust me im a Pro for almost 5 decades and made a great living without one. I try to stay out of this crap because that's really what it is and anyone worth their salt has workarounds and other options. It's a feature set and that's a great feature but you really have to ask yourself do you really need it. I sold my A1 for the A7RV but I did my homework figured out what I really needed then proceeded forward and have no regrets. Besides that I need a A1 than I can rent one. I could have one in my hand in 45 minutes. Thats my last word on it. But stop listening to the trolls they don't even have Sony. Regardless of the money pick your best option. Frankly I would not buy a A9 or A9 II again and I had both. Loved them but 24mpx is just not enough for me. One of my big jobs 2 or 3 times a year is in crop mode so I want the horsepower

May 25, 2023 at 09:02 AM

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p.3 #8 · p.3 #8 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

Yeah, it's all about knowing the limitations concerning your use case. Don't shoot action with slow readout ES if you can't discard some photos due to rolling shutter deformation, etc.
EFCS bokeh is one of my pet peeves, but I don't think I'm in the majority on this

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May 25, 2023 at 11:28 AM

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p.3 #9 · p.3 #9 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

chez wrote:
I’d much rather get a used A1 for roughly $4500. I just don’t see you being happy adapting your Sony lenses to a Nikon camera.

You're right, I would sell all of it, and get the Nikon Holy Trinity of zooms and just be done. The A1 doesn't interest me, due to the small form factor. I have four different cameras right now, 2 for video (A7sIII and FX30) and two for photo. I kinda want to just combine everything into two bodies.

May 26, 2023 at 10:55 AM

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p.3 #10 · p.3 #10 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

GMPhotography wrote:
Hey we did not have electronic shutters for decades, its really a new thing and I agree there is not much I can't shoot with a A7RV and yes I had the A1 and I loved it but this checks my buttons better and I have no problem shooting mechanical shutter have for 50 years. This ES stuff is so over hyped on this forum as if you don't have it you can't work, that's BS trust me im a Pro for almost 5 decades and made a great living without one. I try to stay out of this crap...Show more →

Sorry, but these kind of arguments are total BS. You also shot with a film camera. Doesn't mean digital isn't better. You also shot without the comfort of an LCD screen. Care to go back? I sure as heck don't. I also bet that for many years you shot with a digital camera that had less than 24mp and it was probably good enough at the time. While there may be arguments against an ES, the fact that you did it without one for years is not one of them.

May 26, 2023 at 11:13 AM

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p.3 #11 · p.3 #11 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

No the fact is you can still do without ES. It’s not mandatory now that is out. But of course ES is a great new feature set. I’m not denying that at all but you can still get around in this world without it and worse many think you can’t. That’s more the point and yes 2mpx was my start digital and then went up back to 1991. Heck we have progressed a ton but let’s not forget all the talented shooters that got work done in the past with a ton less

May 26, 2023 at 11:39 AM

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p.3 #12 · p.3 #12 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

chez wrote:
I’d much rather get a used A1 for roughly $4500. I just don’t see you being happy adapting your Sony lenses to a Nikon camera.

I used the fringer adapter to use my Sony 50mm f1.2 GM to my Z6 and it worked great. + the adapter was super thin, not thick like the metabones adaper. I was a Nikon shooter for 15+ years. Even that Z8 will be behind the newer sony's

May 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM

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p.3 #13 · p.3 #13 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

GMPhotography wrote:
No the fact is you can still do without ES. It’s not mandatory now that is out. But of course ES is a great new feature set. I’m not denying that at all but you can still get around in this world without it and worse many think you can’t. That’s more the point and yes 2mpx was my start digital and then went up back to 1991. Heck we have progressed a ton but let’s not forget all the talented shooters that got work done in the past with a ton less

ES is not mandatory, but in the early years with my a7rII prior to widespread LED lighting, it opened up avenues of exploration not exactly possible before. A sense of greater intimacy with subjects because there wasn’t this bang of the shutter all the time. I personally just miss that. That’s all. Photography existed before, and could certainly resume with MS, but it is something I now find I miss. I guess others do too. That’s all….

May 26, 2023 at 12:04 PM

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p.3 #14 · p.3 #14 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

I still use it on my A7R5 with certain jobs. My issue today is the read out speed just a little too low so I go mechanical shutter but it certainly is a value added option. My problem as I read this forum is people think it’s the only option. That’s the inexperience part where they are not getting good data. I’m still an instructor at heart.

May 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM

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p.3 #15 · p.3 #15 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

I didn't know about the improved AWB. The A1 samples looked good too before, how much different is it? I usually do multi step with color adjustments in C1 and then Luminar Neo (HSL and balancing) anyway.

May 26, 2023 at 12:24 PM

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p.3 #16 · p.3 #16 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

GMPhotography wrote:
I still use it on my A7R5 with certain jobs. My issue today is the read out speed just a little too low so I go mechanical shutter but it certainly is a value added option. My problem as I read this forum is people think it’s the only option. That’s the inexperience part where they are not getting good data. I’m still an instructor at heart.

I think these forums are biased towards birders and wildlife photographers, people who often taken advantage of super fast readout from electronic shutter. Im pretty sure that outside of sports, wildlife and maybe something extremely obscure, mechanical shutters and <= 10 fps are more than sufficient.

May 26, 2023 at 12:49 PM

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p.3 #17 · p.3 #17 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

AGeoJO wrote:
The A7r V has an option to either use the hybrid mechanical shutter, which uses the first electronic shutter and the fully electronic shutter. If you save your file as lossless compressed or uncompressed, there is no difference in the bit file quality. Obviously, the audible shutter sound tells you, which mode you are using.

I have been using my A7r V for a few months now. Recently, I was on a trip to Europe and Morocco for almost 4 weeks. Although I had both my A1 and A7r V with me but I didn’t use the A1 until the last...Show more →

I don’t think you got my point. There is one more use case that eshutter is impt. Do u use f.4 or brighter lens outdoors? Which I think a lot of people do… two problems with this. One is the max 1/8000 mechanical shutter speed. Second is the fact that with efcs, the bokeh get cropped during extremely fast shutter. If u are ok with full mechanical shutter then the second problem can be worked around but that increases the shutter lag. Basically there is no good way around it without a high speed eshutter.

It’s a disadvantage but maybe others might not care. Just drives me nuts so much I can’t use f1.4 lens on my a74. If u shoot with bright f1.4 primes outdoors I think the fast eshutter is very impt.

May 26, 2023 at 04:10 PM

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p.3 #18 · p.3 #18 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

wind30 wrote:
I don’t think you got my point. There is one more use case that eshutter is impt. Do u use f.4 or brighter lens outdoors? Which I think a lot of people do… two problems with this. One is the max 1/8000 mechanical shutter speed. Second is the fact that with efcs, the bokeh get cropped during extremely fast shutter. If u are ok with full mechanical shutter then the second problem can be worked around but that increases the shutter lag. Basically there is no good way around it without a high speed eshutter.

It’s a disadvantage but maybe others...Show more →

Unless you do some fast action photography, where the effect of the rolling shutter may be bothersome, why not use the e-shutter with the A7r V then? Save the files in either loss-less compressed or uncompressed mode then you will be fine. Indoors under LED lighting, the A7r V files may show some banding though... but that shouldn't pose any issues outdoors.

May 26, 2023 at 04:56 PM

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AGeoJO wrote:
Unless you do some fast action photography, where the effect of the rolling shutter may be bothersome, why not use the e-shutter with the A7r V then? Save the files in either loss-less compressed or uncompressed mode then you will be fine. Indoors under LED lighting, the A7r V files may show some banding though... but that shouldn't pose any issues outdoors.

This solution involves changing shutter every time I step indoors or outdoors… similar to turning off efcs when shutter speed goes up. I forget sometimes which is disastrous and it is really troublesome. There is no getting around the 1/8000 max shutter other than a nd filter. Like what other posters have said, we have been shooting mechanical shutter for decades and there are work arounds. But why do I want to settle for the workarounds ?? I choose the camera that is the best and easiest to use for my needs.

My main objection is about the point made by some posters that fast eshutter only helps people who shoot fast action or birding which I feel is false. I don’t do either but I find eshutter helps immensely when I use fast f1.4 primes.

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May 26, 2023 at 06:57 PM

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p.3 #20 · p.3 #20 · A9 upgrade path: A7RV or A1?

That’s not quite accurate. It’s the stacked sensor that helps with action and birds in flight when using electronic shutter. An electronic shutter on a non-stacked sensor would cause problems with those subjects.
And you don’t need a stacked sensor for f/1.4 on a bright day and non-moving subjects, just the higher shutter speeds e-shutter can offer. I have an A7r III set to e-shutter basically 100% of the time because I don’t work with moving subjects or indoor lighting. There’s no downside.

wind30 wrote:
This solution involves changing shutter every time I step indoors or outdoors… similar to turning off efcs when shutter speed goes up. I forget sometimes which is disastrous and it is really troublesome. There is no getting around the 1/8000 max shutter other than a nd filter. Like what other posters have said, we have been shooting mechanical shutter for decades and there are work arounds. But why do I want to settle for the workarounds ?? I choose the camera that is the best and easiest to use for my needs.

My main objection is about the point made by...Show more →

May 26, 2023 at 07:19 PM

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