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Archive 2023 · Best Lenses for European Street Scenes & Countrysides?

  
 
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bobbytan wrote:
I would go with the RF 14-35/4L and RF 70-200/4L. You don’t need a 50mm as you can always shoot at 35mm and crop in post.



To shoot Europe properly, it demands faster apertures than f4...too limiting. And this is especially true for environmental portraits.

And a 50mm f1.8 is not overlap in an F4 zoom at 50mm. When you gage overlap you must also consider aperture.



May 31, 2023 at 10:02 AM
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DailyShooter wrote:
To shoot Europe properly, it demands faster apertures than f4...too limiting. And this is especially true for environmental portraits.

And a 50mm f1.8 is not overlap in an F4 zoom at 50mm. When you gage overlap you must also consider aperture.


For environmental images I like to bring in the environment that surrounds the subject to give the image context. F4 definitely would not limit if you also want the environment in focus.



May 31, 2023 at 10:32 AM
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For environmental images I like to bring in the environment that surrounds the subject to give the image context. F4 definitely would not limit if you also want the environment in focus.


This is up to taste of course, but for me, f4 would make it harder for the subject to pop out of the background...that 3D effect is not as possible...unless you bring a lens having FL 85 or greater, that beautiful separation is not as noticeable. F4 is like using a phone camera because "everything" seems in focus, and that type of image is too pedestrian for my tastes.

Canon offers some very good little light-weight fast primes like the RF 24, 35, 50, 85, so why would anyone create an environmental portrait with a slow zoom? Glad it works for you.



May 31, 2023 at 11:53 AM
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DailyShooter wrote:
This is up to taste of course, but for me, f4 would make it harder for the subject to pop out of the background...that 3D effect is not as possible...unless you bring a lens having FL 85 or greater, that beautiful separation is not as noticeable. F4 is like using a phone camera because "everything" seems in focus, and that type of image is too pedestrian for my tastes.

Canon offers some very good little light-weight fast primes like the RF 24, 35, 50, 85, so why would anyone create an environmental portrait with a slow zoom? Glad it works for
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Why do you want to wipe out the environment in an environmental photo. Just stay home in your back yard if all you want is a wiped out background.

If I’m shooting a tea plantation worker in Vietnam, I want the environment to show this is in Vietnam…not some out of focus fuzzy background that could be in the local park.



May 31, 2023 at 11:58 AM
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DailyShooter wrote:
This is up to taste of course, but for me, f4 would make it harder for the subject to pop out of the background...that 3D effect is not as possible...unless you bring a lens having FL 85 or greater, that beautiful separation is not as noticeable. F4 is like using a phone camera because "everything" seems in focus, and that type of image is too pedestrian for my tastes.

Canon offers some very good little light-weight fast primes like the RF 24, 35, 50, 85, so why would anyone create an environmental portrait with a slow zoom? Glad it works for
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If you think everything is in focus at f/4 at portrait focal lengths, you don't know how to use the lens.



May 31, 2023 at 12:03 PM
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To those imagining that there is one right answer — or one "correct" way to shoot a given subject — the best we can do here is share our approach and suggest why it works for us while acknowledging that there are other ways of going about it that may work better for others.

To wit, I like to shoot only primes when I travel — some small lenses with not particularly large maximum apertures, but also a couple of lenses with large apertures for very low light or for when I want to highlight my primary subject against a less distracting background. FWIW, here's what I carry:

(Note: For travel I use a small Fujifilm APS-C system rather than my Canon FF system. You'll need to apply the usual conversion factors if you want to know angle-of-view equivalent FF lenses for what I use.)

Fujifilm XT5
14mm f/2.8
23mm f/1.4
27mm f/2.8
35mm f/1.4
90mm f/2

I also bring a small travel tripod for emergencies (Almost all of my travel photography is handheld), a remote release, three batteries, and the usual "other stuff" (for cleaning lenses, sensors, etc.).

Some of you are probably thinking: "Five lenses! Are you nuts?"

First, remember that I'm not saying you should do this, just that it works for me. Also, aside from when traveling between cities I almost never actually have all five lenses with me when I'm out and about. It depends on the situation:

1. Often I have only the 27mm f/2.8 with me, especially if I'm mainly doing, more or less, "street photography."

2. If I'll be in tighter spaces (indoors, narrow and crowded streets, etc.) I'll add the 14mm lens. If I think I'll need more reach or anticipate certain kinds of portrait stuff I'll add the 90mm.

3. I like to do night street photography in urban areas. For this I typically go out with only the one or both of the f/1.4 lenses.

(Other lenses get locked up at the hotel or other accommodation.)

I like primes for this stuff — but I'm perfectly happy if you prefer zooms. They make sense, too. For me, with my street photography orientation, I like the quickness and small size of primes. I also like that they give me the option of a very small, unobtrusive setup — for example, with just the body and the 27mm pancake.

I use a much wider range of focal lengths for my non-travel landscape and wildlife photography, and a much larger and heavier setup with large FF zoom lenses, a bigger camera, and one or more pretty substantial tripods. That kind of setup interferes with my approach to travel/street photograph, but that' just me — if you prefer to carry the big heavy stuff, have at it!

Zoom lenses can make great options for travel, too. The obvious pluses are more control over framing, the ability to adapt to different situations without needed to change lenses, and even the potential to carry only one lens or at least keep the number down to a couple. Some folks like the larger range zooms that come closer to being one-lens-only solutions, though the trade-off is usually a smaller maximum aperture and maybe some (possibly unimportant) potential optical issues.

I wouldn't discount the possibility of using a smaller system than you usually use. Some of them (like the one I use or some of the fine four-thirds systems) can produce excellent image quality with potentially less bulk and weight. For me, the trade-offs favor the smaller systems for travel, but YMMV.

It isn't even out of the question to consider something like an all-in-one consumer camera or even — though, again, not for everyone — a smartphone camera.

The potential orientations to "travel photography" are so varied that the range of "right" answer is huge and quite personal. Is photography the primary reason for your travel? One significant but smaller component of the experience? A way to bring back some memories to share? Something that could interfere with other aspects of your travel? Will you drive or use trains/planes? Do you like to walk?

Do you prefer to travel light, or are you happy to bring bags of gear and lug it around? What will you do with the photographs after you return?

Are you going to photograph landscapes? Wildlife? Urban icons? People? Locals or other members of your group? All or some of these? Are you a fan of large aperture portrait-style photography? Architectural photography? Street photography? Icons? Less-traveled stuff? Something else?

Instead of trying to tell folks what "the right gear is," perhaps it is more useful to consider how different sorts of gear might (or might not) fit into their travel experience?

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May 31, 2023 at 12:19 PM
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My 35mm f1.4L is perfect as a one lens only, on a full frame body.


May 31, 2023 at 12:29 PM
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Mike_5D wrote:
If you think everything is in focus at f/4 at portrait focal lengths, you don't know how to use the lens.


If you think that an f4 lens provides better possibilities for environmental portraits than an f1.8 or f2, then you know NOTHING about portraiture.



May 31, 2023 at 12:47 PM
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Uarctos wrote:
My 35mm f1.4L is perfect as a one lens only, on a full frame body.


I would agree...that lens is perfect for a 1-lens solution to shooting European cities, to save on weight with little IQ sacrifice, the RF 35mm f1.8 would be great too...and the RF 24-105 and you go from 80% to 100% of shots covered.



May 31, 2023 at 12:50 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
To those imagining that there is one right answer — or one "correct" way to shoot a given subject — the best we can do here is share our approach and suggest why it works for us while acknowledging that there are other ways of going about it that may work better for others.

To wit, I like to shoot only primes when I travel — some small lenses with not particularly large maximum apertures, but also a couple of lenses with large apertures for very low light or for when I want to highlight my primary subject against a
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Agreed, Dan, but I don't remember anyone writing that their choices were the only way.

I think the problem is that when someone suggests their way, it's too easy for others to take their words as dictation, and not a suggestion.

There is nothing wrong with a strongly held belief, so long as one realizes that its a matter of taste as to what lenses, bodies are to be taken, and if a flash should too.

The list I suggested was for those who also like to make environmental portraits. I questioned someone for thinking an f4 lens would be good for portraits, but I accept that it works for him. Its ok if it does not work for me.



May 31, 2023 at 12:54 PM
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DailyShooter wrote:
Canon EX 430-RT III Flash + Tungsten filter or similar (ESSENTIAL)

If you really want to make nice environmental portraits DO NOT forget to bring a decent flash.



DailyShooter wrote:
Agreed, Dan, but I don't remember anyone writing that their choices were the only way.



DO NOT teach this guy anything



May 31, 2023 at 01:29 PM
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DailyShooter wrote:
If you think that an f4 lens provides better possibilities for environmental portraits than an f1.8 or f2, then you know NOTHING about portraiture.


I’m talking about including the environment with the subject…not a posing model shot at 1.2 so only the eye lashes are in focus.

I’ve travelled enough to know that including the surrounding environment with the subject adds to the image by giving context of what’s going on. I don’t shoot posing models, I shoot life going by as I look through the viewfinder.



May 31, 2023 at 02:28 PM
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chez wrote:
I’m talking about including the environment with the subject…not a posing model shot at 1.2 so only the eye lashes are in focus.

I’ve travelled enough to know that including the surrounding environment with the subject adds to the image by giving context of what’s going on. I don’t shoot posing models, I shoot life going by as I look through the viewfinder.


This. No one (except in DailyShooter's head) is saying f/4 blurs the background more than f/2. The background doesn't have to be obliterated to provide some separation. The *right* aperture can both emphasize the subject while leaving the background recognizable enough to provide context. I use a 70-200 2.8 for portraits and for tighter shots will often stop down a little. Having just the eyes in focus is certainly a popular look, but isn't the only look. As far as f/4 looking like a phone shot with the background in focus, sure, if you're doing full length shots at 50mm with the background 2' behind the subject.



May 31, 2023 at 02:57 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
To those imagining that there is one right answer — or one "correct" way to shoot a given subject — the best we can do here is share our approach and suggest why it works for us while acknowledging that there are other ways of going about it that may work better for others.

Instead of trying to tell folks what "the right gear is," perhaps it is more useful to consider how different sorts of gear might (or might not) fit into their travel experience?


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fotografur wrote:
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Imagemaster wrote:
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Jun 01, 2023 at 06:16 AM
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Egomaster wrote:
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Jun 01, 2023 at 01:10 PM
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Not as perfect as the 24/1.4L. European cities are compact and spaces are tight. Which is why I would recommend the 14-35L. And I do have a 50/1.2L to complement my 14-35L and 70-200L.

Uarctos wrote:
My 35mm f1.4L is perfect as a one lens only, on a full frame body.





Jun 01, 2023 at 10:57 PM
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I think the best solution for the wide stuff is the EF 11-24mm. The 35mm is better for people. I do quite a lot of commercial real estate and even at 16mm you have too much FL, and distortion is quite evident. But in vacations I just love the 35L, cause I don't need to shoot everything, and just have some fun.


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gdanmitchell wrote:
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