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https://www.dpreview.com/news/4892777263/report-sony-has-moved-over-90-of-its-camera-production-out-of-china


Jan 30, 2023 at 11:52 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · It looks like Sony has followed Nikon and Canon to Thailand


Good for Sony, and good for any democratic countries that do likewise.


Jan 30, 2023 at 06:46 PM
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So China failing to comply with US standards in terms of human rights for minorities. Such assumptions not based on any evidence and rather insulting given the US made China the factory of the world. Apple Inc with cheap Chinese labour became the largest corporation in history. Note: Warren Buffett investor in BYD the leading Chinese EV car company. Americans do come across as slightly self-righteous on occasions to be honest. Anyway we are "friends" now with America Europe and Japan united against Russia; however that ends anybody's guess? Hyper-inflation like 1933 Weimar Republic in Germany.


Jan 31, 2023 at 03:15 AM
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Richard-BB wrote:
So China failing to comply with US standards in terms of human rights for minorities. Such assumptions not based on any evidence and rather insulting given the US made China the factory of the world. Apple Inc with cheap Chinese labour became the largest corporation in history. Note: Warren Buffett investor in BYD the leading Chinese EV car company. Americans do come across as slightly self-righteous on occasions to be honest. Anyway we are "friends" now with America Europe and Japan united against Russia; however that ends anybody's guess? Hyper-inflation like 1933 Weimar Republic in Germany.


I am sure the Uyghurs, Falun Gong and Muslims (among others) will be happy to know that the genocide, organ harvesting and other atrocities China has commited against them are just assumptions and not based on any evidence.



Jan 31, 2023 at 09:49 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · It looks like Sony has followed Nikon and Canon to Thailand


i love how a simple informational thread can be turned into overt socio-political Blah!

i just look at it as those Sony cameras/lenses will say made in Thailand rather than made in China.

understand i have family in HK and Guangzhou.



Jan 31, 2023 at 11:37 AM
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Sorry sjms. I agree, and I don't normally comment on stuff like this but Richard-BB's comments were so outrageous it compelled me to respond. Apparently his/her idea of evidence and insult are very different than most of the world's.


Jan 31, 2023 at 11:54 AM
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Anyone who is unaware of the atrocities China has carried out against their own citizens has their head buried in the sand.

Most of the world is well aware of the evidence that China has been the major contributor leading towards the extinction of endangered species. The same country that does not reveal the truth about COVID numbers in their own country.

https://youtu.be/kfIFVuv4bcw

Plus thousands of other evidence.




Jan 31, 2023 at 01:22 PM
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The Japanese have a severe shortage of available workers. With their racism, that exceeds even that of the United States, they refuse to allow immigration which would provide them with more workers and younger workers. Instead they move manufacturing to other countries that have no shortage of workers.

The largest Intel fab plant outside the USA is in Vietnam. The Vietnames are survivors, despite the millions killed by American soldiers, they have bounced back.



Jan 31, 2023 at 07:38 PM
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when was the last time you were to Japan? i was just there in October into November working. nobody matches our level of racial intolerance. i've been dealing with the Japanese since i was a child. things are changing there.

as to intel fabs outside of the US: The Intel Ireland campus at Leixlip is Intel's largest manufacturing plant outside of the United States and consisted of two semi-conductor wafer fabrication facilities: Fab 10 Ireland Fab Operations (IFO), and also the Fab 24 manufacturing plant which includes Fab 24-2.

Vietnam: Saigon Hi-tech Park, District 9, in Ho Chi Minh City. This is Intel's biggest project in Vietnam since it opened its first office in Ho Chi Minh City in 1997.



Jan 31, 2023 at 07:44 PM
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Anti-Chinese allegations rolled-out by US without any factual evidence of "genocide" of Muslims in China. Even CNN reporters refer to another HOLOCAUST in China when interviewing German Chancellor. Naturally he avoided that question for obvious reasons. Europe guilty of HOLOCAUST casting a long-shadow over all of Europe to this day.

China could refer to US social problems related to racial integration and rampant gang gun-crime. So the US hates China and Russia as a matter of fact? Note: US prison population compared to China on per capita basis? Also IRAQ SYRIA and AFGHANISTAN Muslim people loss of life in recent US wars. My apologies if my comments offend anyone.



Feb 02, 2023 at 06:28 AM
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My apologies my comments so "outrageous". If you have time please advise why you found my comments so unacceptable to put me in my place as being out of line and offensive; which was not my intention. Americans come in all types left and right like Daniel Ellsberg PENTAGON PAPERS spilling the beans on 1955-1975 Vietnam war sold on lies by US government. For the record strongly believe in a united Ireland; as retired Englishman lifelong pacifist. Vietnam now US tourist destination.


Feb 02, 2023 at 06:44 AM
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And what was Vietnam known for before their particular event and under who's involvement? No one nation is to blame for any of these. And each individual’s views about the world in general is of their own construction from the info they choose to accept.

oh, what a convoluted world we live in.

So now that we have gone through our little sociopolitical opinions all because of a statement of factual info hopefully we can move on back to the art ands science photography.



Feb 02, 2023 at 07:46 AM
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I grew up in Southern California and my high school was more than 30% students whose parents were Japanese. I also worked with numerous Japanese corporations who were in the electronics industry. Whenever we would hold a meeting with our senior executives from IBM and HP and other Fortune 100 companies the Japanese corporations would send some kid who recently graduated from university.

The treatment of people in the captured countries occupied by the Japanese soldiers was horrific in large part because they considered other races to be no better than animals, mirroring the treatment of native Americans and blacks in the American colonies and later in the United States.

The immigration policies and practices of the Japanese is a matter of record as is the problem of an aging population with a shortage of young workers entering the labor pool. They hope to solve the problem with robots which shows how strong their prejudices are.

I am not saying that it is better in the USA as it is clearly not.




Feb 02, 2023 at 10:43 PM
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Political concerns certainly could be a reason why companies are moving out of China. But the bottom line for companies, is profit. If they can generate as much profit, or more, in another country with fewer potential future problems (being caught on the 'wrong' side of a conflict could be sufficient motivation) and with inexpensive labor forces, why wouldn't they? Isn't one of China's 'problems' a growing middle class with higher wages and corresponding expectation? It's only logical companies will continue their migration to greener pastures. Once they move through India and eventually Africa, maybe they'll end up back where they started!


Feb 02, 2023 at 11:33 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
Political concerns certainly could be a reason why companies are moving out of China. But the bottom line for companies, is profit. If they can generate as much profit, or more, in another country with fewer potential future problems (being caught on the 'wrong' side of a conflict could be sufficient motivation) and with inexpensive labor forces, why wouldn't they? Isn't one of China's 'problems' a growing middle class with higher wages and corresponding expectation? It's only logical companies will continue their migration to greener pastures. Once they move through India and eventually Africa, maybe they'll end up back where
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The labour crisis here (as in Japan) is only worsening with young women more and more refusing marriage and preferring a different lifestyle to the traditional one we grew up in (certain provinces in China have now passed regulations giving single married women with children the same rights and benefits of married child bearing women - unheard of in conservative China before).
Ally that to the decreasing population and increasing longevity and a labour crisis similar to that in Japan is only a couple of decades away.

On top of all that is China's transition to a more R&D and technology based industry. Of course due to the size of industry and population here (for scale : x4 more companies than in the USA) that will never be a complete transition but it is the direction major cities (those more attractive to MNCs) are moving.

That said for MNCs to move away from China to alternative countries is not easy. Vietnam fulfills the criteria (skilful and educated labour force with many university educated people of the right age), and maybe Thailand too (though it is a far more mature and expensive market it is still not at the same level as yet with say for example South Korea). However the more MNCs relocate to Vietnam the smaller the remaining human resources and the more the cost increases, eventually making a move unviable.

That can not be said (at this moment) of either India or Africa (generalisation) whose unemployed/labour forces, despite the huge numbers, are mainly unskilled and uneducated with a very low percentage of university educated people.



Feb 02, 2023 at 11:54 PM
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elkhornsun wrote:
I grew up in Southern California and my high school was more than 30% students whose parents were Japanese. I also worked with numerous Japanese corporations who were in the electronics industry. Whenever we would hold a meeting with our senior executives from IBM and HP and other Fortune 100 companies the Japanese corporations would send some kid who recently graduated from university.

The treatment of people in the captured countries occupied by the Japanese soldiers was horrific in large part because they considered other races to be no better than animals, mirroring the treatment of native Americans and blacks
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Hmmm, you mean the Reich treated people differently?

yep, our problem started right in Jamestown.

i still think you need a field trip to JP.

i have had "interesting" experiences on both sides of the Pacific.



Feb 03, 2023 at 04:59 AM
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People suffer prejudice based on race age and social standing. That will never change because we are all different but very much the same by misunderstanding each other. We tolerate apathy and ignorance. Recall State of California 1970's lawsuit against Sumitomo Bank of California bringing-in young cashiers from Japan because American Californian applicants not educated enough. Check recent speech by Russian Foreign Minister accusing the West of racial prejudice against Russian Slavic people because not European. DPR website with friction between camera fans as proof of irrational human behaviour?


Feb 03, 2023 at 05:19 AM
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let's face it, we suffer the same behavior here on PM.

varying cultures have varying views



Feb 03, 2023 at 05:34 AM
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There's no point in comparing countries or comparing history. A wrong is a wrong. No country is perfect, far from it.

But there's also no point denying something is wrong.

How a company, a government, organization or person react to that wrong will depend on a lot of considerations.




Feb 03, 2023 at 09:20 AM
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