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Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I begun my serious journey in photography with a marvellous Fuji S5Pro and from there onwards I moved to Nikon as a natural path but along the way I gave a hit at the X-Trans sensor which left me with a sweet-sour taste, the Fuji X-Pro1 was very very pretty camera, construction nothing great, paint would easily come off, sluggish as much as the S5Pro if not more, the files nothing to scream to miracle and the colours, which I expected to be after the S-CCD, even worse but, all in all, the tiny 35/1.4 made me forgive all of the above.

Unfortunately the camera suddenly died with no apparent reason and I sold the 14 and 18-55 (this latter one I'd say a rather mediocre lens agains the general hype which screamed to miracle kit lens), I kept the 35 in the hope to convince myself at getting, back at that time, an X-T2 but I had to give it away and there it then came a Nikon Z6II which allows me to use some of the F bayonet lenses I own, a very good camera which serves its purpose but I can't feel at home with it, either I miss the handling of a true reflex camera or the need to hit a button or the screen to, say, change exposure method, ISO, metering, self timer and so on.

Last weekend I saw the X-T5 in a shop window and they also had a T4 on a stand to handle and I couldn't resist, the hand feels at ease with it, all the dials there where they should be, I can see myself having fun with it as it was back in the film days, no need to go mad behind a computer stuck in a camera case.

Question being, for those of you who handle both a Fuji X-T and a Nikon Z, what is the files quality until, say, ISO 3.200 and what about dynamic range, does it stand against a FF sensor? Of course I'd compare apples with apples, say an X-T4 with a Z6 and an X-T5 with a Z7

Grazie

Jan 25, 2023 at 10:28 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I have not touched the T5, but I had the X-T2, X-T3 and X-H1. Had a Z6II and a Sony system at the same time while owning the stuff. If you have no intention of touching a flash get a Z6II. They all handle colors in "Unique" ways, but I think if you need something versatile enough low light wise get a Z6II. There are various videos on the net for this question. I'm curious about the X-T5/X-H2, but it would definitely be my studio system and not natural light full time. Edit: Also no. I don't hate the X system. I almost bought back into it several times, I actually think it's a great secondary system.

Jan 25, 2023 at 10:33 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I mained an A7RIII and bought a Fuji X-T4 as a second and hybrid body. The Fuji's video quality is pretty OK but stills quality can't touch FF. I wouldn't go beyond ISO 1600 or images would start looking watercolor-y.

I bought a Sony A7IV recently and now it's my main body for both stills and video. Awesome sensor, AF, and available lenses. The Z6II would be comparable to the A7IV.

I still bring my X-T4 along to assignments, but I don't shoot it much and don't really use the files from it. It's like a back-up back-up body now.

Jan 25, 2023 at 10:44 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I remember shooting an event with the RII and X-T3 and indoors, in natural light...there's no competition. X-T3 with the 16-55 2.8 vs the RII with the 70-200GMI, the RII outputs a better file.
genjy wrote:
I mained an A7RIII and bought a Fuji X-T4 as a second and hybrid body. The Fuji's video quality is pretty OK but stills quality can't touch FF. I wouldn't go beyond ISO 1600 or images would start looking watercolor-y.

I bought a Sony A7IV recently and now it's my main body for both stills and video. Awesome sensor, AF, and available lenses. The Z6II would be comparable to the A7IV.

I still bring my X-T4 along to assignments, but I don't shoot it much and don't really use the files from it. It's like a back-up back-up body now.

Jan 25, 2023 at 11:01 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I already own a Z6II which is a great camera with good to very good files but I hate the ergonomics while I love the Fuji's but, at the end of the day, it's both the pleasure to handle it as well as the result you get out of it and the latter outperforms the former.

I wouldn't want to regret not having my Z6II or my D850 with me if not for casual shooting but casual can't cost 2K+

So no comparison, as expected, between a T4 and a Z6 with regards to ISO and DR?

Jan 25, 2023 at 11:06 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

If all you do is shoot for fun outside then it really doesn't matter since the X series is great for that stuff. I know a photographer that shoots with an X-H1 and a Canon professionally. He does work inside. I don't know what his stuff looks like (I don't care enough to even try finding his stuff) and at events I have much better things to do than talk shop with the guy. It works for him and I don't talk people out of gear because I don't care. It's all a matter about what you're comfortable with. I have done college graduation work on X mount, the stuff is mostly fine, though I never really liked how the files handled god awful fluorescent lighting, but that's just me. I tend to not compare files since 90% of the time I don't mentally record what's going on half the time and just edit. Fuji files are mostly fine. My flickr is linked to my profile. You're more than welcome to peruse the thing.
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I already own a Z6II which is a great camera with good to very good files but I hate the ergonomics while I love the Fuji's but, at the end of the day, it's both the pleasure to handle it as well as the result you get out of it and the latter outperforms the former.

I wouldn't want to regret not having my Z6II or my D850 with me if not for casual shooting but casual can't cost 2K+

So no comparison, as expected, between a T4 and a Z6 with regards to ISO and DR?

Jan 25, 2023 at 11:12 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

The X-T is fun to use for sure. Size is pretty compact with a small lens. If you pair it with WR (weather resistant) lenses, then it's a great outdoor and travel camera.

GiovanniAprea wrote:
I already own a Z6II which is a great camera with good to very good files but I hate the ergonomics while I love the Fuji's but, at the end of the day, it's both the pleasure to handle it as well as the result you get out of it and the latter outperforms the former.

I wouldn't want to regret not having my Z6II or my D850 with me if not for casual shooting but casual can't cost 2K+

So no comparison, as expected, between a T4 and a Z6 with regards to ISO and DR?

Jan 25, 2023 at 11:34 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I shoot GFX, X, and Z. Had a Z6 but now have a Z9.

Dynamic range is where X and Z are the most comparable. Fuji does a great job controlling highlights, especially if you lean into the DR settings (which raise your minimum available ISO). The Z cameras are great, but the X cameras come close enough that I consider the difference insignificant.

Noise is as-expected. At low ISO there's no effective difference. At ISO3200 the X camera starts to fall behind in a photographically-significant way. At ISO 12800 the Z camera is considerably better. If you're shooting a scene in which noise is tolerable, I'd say ISO6400 is easy for X, and ISO12800 is easy for Z. If your scene can't handle the color/DR/detail reduction, knock two stops off that.

You can also pull more detail out of the shadows without the image falling apart with the Z cameras. Not a huge difference, but it's there. If I'm shooting a night scene at ISO6400 with an X camera and I have to raise the shadow, I know I'm going to have to fiddle with noise reduction to get the best results. (Incidentally, this is where GFX destroys both X and Z. Shadow recovery is impossibly good on GFX.)

I do love to shoot my X cameras, but I have to admit the Z system gives me more overall detail, as well. The difference only becomes significant at large print sizes and/or heavy crops, but it is there, and if you love 100% crops, the Z system is better.

If I had to give a summary impression, I'd say that the X cameras do everything I need in normal shooting conditions. The Z cameras are measurably better in many circumstances, but X is just fine, and the compact system and other Fuji niceities more than make up for the extra IQ in most situations. My Z9 generally comes out only when things get really difficult... like last weekend I shot a band in a small club where I was getting 1/250 f/1.4 at ISO25600+ under colored (and flickering) LEDs, and the Z9 hit >90% even with the 58/1.4.

Jan 25, 2023 at 07:14 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I have a Z7 and XT5 (and XT4). I don't have the 7II but the IQ didn't change much.

I can only mostly echo what's been said above. Most of the time both do more than you need. Most of the time you won't see huge differences. When you push the files in post or bump up the ISO past 1600 you'll start to see the differences. The bigger sensor, unsurprisingly makes more robust files. It's around a stop, as expected.

A few notes.
1. The Fuji files really do respond differently depending on your raw processor. I like DXO. But it's not the only option for Xtrans.
2. The AF on y XT5 is better than my Z7. But I don't have a Z7II or Z6II to compare.
3. The buffer might belimiting on the XT5 if you shoot lots of bursts. This is not me so I have never hit the buffer. And I'd take an XH2 if I need it.
4. I much prefer the Fuji colours to the Nikon.
5. The system size isn't much different. Nikon's excellent folding zooms and 1.8 primes mean you get nice controls and a pretty camera but not really a smaller kit. Except for the 150-600 of which there is no equal. Not even the PZ lenses which are primes so don't count. I do MUCH prefer the Fuji layout and controls though. Ther's the Fujicrons of course but add a zoom or two and they're quite close.
6. The XT5 IBIS is better than my Z7. So depending on the subject you might make up some of the differences there.

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Jan 25, 2023 at 10:05 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

Short story: Fuji doesn't compete in brute AF or IQ against full frame whether Sony, Canon, or Nikon

Long story: Fuji, when shot at ISO 1600 or lower, produces beautiful files, especially if you can bake a JPEG recipe that you're happy with. I shot RAW on the X-T2 and X-H1 and never really gelled with the output, nor did I enjoy editing the files in post. I shoot JPEG only on the X100v and it's actually becoming my most used camera body for anything not action because of the beautiful filmic output. The difference is, I'm shooting very specific looks with the Fuji with grain baked in, etc. It is NOT the camera I grab when I need clean, crisp, perfectly focused content.

Fuji has a bunch of great primes and a bunch of middling to stinker zooms.

If you like a camera with a bunch of manual control dials, you can't really go wrong IF you adhere to keeping the ISO at 1600 or below like I mentioned if saving detail is important to you.

Regarding Nikon, both the Z7ii and Z9 I've had blow anything Fuji could offer out of the water, but I think you know that. They are different tools for different jobs IMO.

Jan 26, 2023 at 09:54 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

For a good allrounder body which will give you good results for all types of genre, the Z 6II is a great body.

If you're looking for a fun Z body, checkout the Z fc

I use both Fuji X and Nikon Z bodies. IMO if you are just taking single images, they all work in a similar fashion. However, if you want to delve into some of the extra functions like HDR, or focus bracketing for instance, Nikon like to make life difficult for the user.

Jan 26, 2023 at 01:44 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I most exclusively do stills with a camera, never explored video nor into it, a few days ago was at an art gallery where the boss asked me to take a video of him walking through and since I had a GoPro and the Z6II guess which one did I use?

I understand very well DX vs FX as I come from DX and still have two bodies (a Nikon D2Xs and a Fuji S5Pro) which see no use at all and three FX ones, I don't expect DOF or ISO noise being on par and know limitations of both sensor sizes, as a matter of fact the look and controls of the X-T series are so very much appealing and I have so great memories of that little 35/1.4 but sure not worth to fork out 2K just for body and lens when I have plenty of FF Nikon gear, it would make sense if an X-T4 could be bought in the 1K range, add the 35, used, and adapt my G lenses, at least the 58 and an 85 to have some reach.

Jan 27, 2023 at 03:24 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

GiovanniAprea wrote:
I can see myself having fun with it as it was back in the film days, no need to go mad behind a computer stuck in a camera case

GiovanniAprea wrote:
X-T4

This might not pertain to how you shoot and enjoy your cameras.

One thing about the X-T4 is that it has an articulating screen that can be flipped over with the LCD side down (kind of like a horizontal version of the X-Pro3's hidden screen). It works great with the post-shot reviews showing up in the EVF since the camera can detect the orientation of the screen.

I have a lot of film cameras, and shooting the X-T4 like that is probably closest to the screen-less film camera experience on a modern digital body, outside of the X-Pro3, Nikon Zfc, and Leica M-D. Even the famed Epson R-D1 has the same articulating screen setup. The X-T5 takes that back with the 3-way tilt screen, so the X-T4 will likely to remain unique.

I also find that I work faster like that with less chimping. I've shot many 4-5 hour sessions with my X-T4 and A7IV with the LCD hidden. Don't really need to flip the screen open other than for extreme angles, videos, or messing with the menu.

Jan 27, 2023 at 03:56 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I shoot Nikon and Fuji -- in the past it was all Nikon and then all Fuji. It came down to a case of having the system I was comfortable with in different situations. For me, landscape shooting was more enjoyable with a FF DSLR and I preferred the Nikon files in those cases. However, for travel and packing a camera everywhere I just can't imagine shooting anything other than my little Fuji and in that situation it shines. At some point I may end up with an entirely mirrorless system again, but it will depend on what I'm doing more of at the time.
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Jan 27, 2023 at 07:44 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

PeaktoPeek wrote:
I shoot Nikon and Fuji -- in the past it was all Nikon and then all Fuji. It came down to a case of having the system I was comfortable with in different situations. For me, landscape shooting was more enjoyable with a FF DSLR and I preferred the Nikon files in those cases. However, for travel and packing a camera everywhere I just can't imagine shooting anything other than my little Fuji and in that situation it shines. At some point I may end up with an entirely mirrorless system again, but it will depend on what I'm doing...Show more →

Exactly my thoughts on it. Someone smarter than me once said "horses for courses". It's nearly impossible to shoehorn all shooting into one single system and be satisfied.

Jan 27, 2023 at 08:12 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

I have shot a Fuji X-T3 for about a year and then moved on to a Nikon Z7. I still shoot a Fuji X-T3 full spectrum for infrared.

I will say this, the Nikon Z7 is the perfect landscape camera IMO. The files are amazing in my opinion and I do not want more out of a file. There is definitely a noticeable difference in dynamic range and high iso performance. Also, going from 26MP APS-C files to 45MP FF files is addicting (for me). I don't take advantage of the 45MP files by printing large (yet) but I love looking at the details of the images. But again the comparison is against an X-T3, not X-T5.

When I had my X-T3 converted to full spectrum I gave thought to using another X-T3 for regular color photography (so I would have just one system) but I am just too spoiled by the Z7 files and ergonomics. BTW I use the Z 24-200mm lens and this is the lens paired with the Z7 is what brought me to the Z system. I used the 16-80mm lens with the Fuji system and the Nikon Z 24-200mm is better IMO, despite it having more zoom.

Jan 27, 2023 at 11:35 PM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Any Fuji X-T and Nikon Z shooter here?

In full honesty I don't need another camera, there is a D800 collecting dust, a D850 going for a spin once in a while and a Z6II so go figure if I need another one but I fell in love for the dials and handy controls of the Df when it came out but price tag was not on this earth, the X-T series then made it even better and that's the only reason I have this fetish, I know a FF sensor will still be better than a same density DX one so it's not quality or who knows what but pure fetish...

Here in Italy an used T4 goes from a little more than 1k among private sellers to about 1.3+ through shops, still too steep of a price for a previous generation camera, I wish Nikon would grab the chance and come with a ML Df but it will be again a niche product as the Df was back then...

Jan 28, 2023 at 09:09 AM


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