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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

The thing about not having full compatibility with D lenses is not that those people will buy Z lenses (or G lenses) that work with a Nikon Z. It’s the fact that if someone is sitting on a bunch of D lenses and really likes them, well they may look at Sony or some other manufacturer to provide the mirrorless body to use them on. And leave Nikon.
It’s not just about selling Z lenses. It’s also about selling Z bodies and if another manufacturer provides the same lack of compatibility with Ds as Nikon does, why stay with Nikon? It’s an opportunity lost to keep people in the fold.

Jan 26, 2023 at 11:08 AM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

The thing is I don't think anybody is making an adapter that autofocuses D series lenses, you're stuck on manual focus either way. Maybe it's because I don't have a borderline 30 year history of investment with this stuff so I kind don't get up in arms about things too often. I just find alternatives. Whether it be buying something new, which people are just allergic to or just straight system switch. I wonder how much blowback Sony got for dropping A mount.
Because this is A mount, I think most Sony users with common sense just moved on after some point:

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The thing about not having full compatibility with D lenses is not that those people will buy Z lenses (or G lenses) that work with a Nikon Z. It’s the fact that if someone is sitting on a bunch of D lenses and really likes them, well they may look at Sony or some other manufacturer to provide the mirrorless body to use them on. And leave Nikon.
It’s not just about selling Z lenses. It’s also about selling Z bodies and if another manufacturer provides the same lack of compatibility with Ds as Nikon does, why stay with Nikon? It’s...Show more →

Jan 26, 2023 at 11:34 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

Vinnie_VdB wrote:
Things have changed within Nikon. From the older, traditional, group not believing in mirrorless etc to a new group that did see the light. The fact that also Nikon is now adding features to released models like the entry Z30.
As Scott wrote is every era coming to an end and how much of a joy film was and is for certain photographers is that chapter closed.
My prediction? No more DSLR's that will be made in a few years from now.
I see people whining about the fact that they cannot use their AF-D lenses. Same thing. Nikon took a...Show more →

I put my z6 on the market because of this. I was considering IR but lac k of support for my af-d glass killed it. The older af-d glass is usually better than af-s with infrared.

Jan 26, 2023 at 11:36 AM

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Jan 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

JadedWriter wrote:
The thing is I don't think anybody is making an adapter that autofocuses D series lenses, you're stuck on manual focus either way. Maybe it's because I don't have a borderline 30 year history of investment with this stuff so I kind don't get up in arms about things too often. I just find alternatives. Whether it be buying something new, which people are just allergic to or just straight system switch. I wonder how much blowback Sony got for dropping A mount.
Because this is A mount, I think most Sony users with common sense just moved on after...Show more →

That's my whole point. If no-one is making an adapter that provides full compatibility with D lenses, and you already have Nikon D lenses, why get a Nikon Z body? If it is just as lame with D lenses as anyone else's camera?
The excuse because that person can buy new Z lenses only hold water if that is what they want to do! You are basically starting afresh, so why not buy aa Sony, or Canon, or Panasonic, or Leica? They are all just as weak with D lenses, but those systems may offer something to the prospective buyer that the Nikon Z system does not.

It's just a huge missed opportunity to keep Nikon users in the fold. Or even prospective users! Someone may be looking to buy a D because there is something there that appeals to them, and then looks around to see what to use it on. Could be any camera body now.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:04 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

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That's my whole point. If no-one is making an adapter that provides full compatibility with D lenses, and you already have Nikon D lenses, why get a Nikon Z body? If it is just as lame with D lenses as anyone else's camera?
The excuse because that person can buy new Z lenses only hold water if that is what they want to do! You are basically starting afresh, so why not buy aa Sony, or Canon, or Panasonic, or Leica? They are all just as weak with D lenses, but those systems may offer something to the prospective buyer that...Show more →

I highly doubt the overblown and exaggerated market of die-hard screwdrive lens holdouts would make the tiniest dent in Nikon's balance sheet.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:07 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

I enjoyed my AF-D lenses when I had them. They are all sold now... Unsurprisingly enough, I miss the 80-200. Never should have sold that one.

As much as I love newer AF-S lenses, the thought of Nikon eventually abandoning F bayonet entirely has me evaluating my GAS. Nikon has already made clear that it intends to leave its legacy equipment behind. I'm nervous on how long it will be before they cut off G, and then E type lenses. Hopefully, this situation will be very different by the time that happens.

I haven't bought into Z as it is because I'm not lacking in any of the stuff I use now.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:14 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

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I highly doubt the overblown and exaggerated market of die-hard screwdrive lens holdouts would make the tiniest dent in Nikon's balance sheet.

It's not just about hold outs. It's also about others who may be interested in getting a D lens for whatever reason - could even be price - and having a camera that is fully compatible to use it on.
And if there are hold outs - what incentive do they have to stay with Nikon in the mirrorless world? For the priveledge of buying new Nikon Z lenses? Why, when they could just as easily buy into Sony or Canon? After all, their D lenses would be just as effective on those bodies. And maybe those bodies give something they like more than a Z body does.

It's just a lost opportunity.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

Desmolicious wrote:
It's not just about hold outs. It's also about others who may be interested in getting a D lens for whatever reason - could even be price - and having a camera that is fully compatible to use it on.
And if there are hold outs - what incentive do they have to stay with Nikon in the mirrorless world? For the priveledge of buying new Nikon Z lenses? Why, when they could just as easily buy into Sony or Canon? After all, their D lenses would be just as effective on those bodies. And maybe those bodies give something they...Show more →

Again, the market of D holdouts and new-to-D lens buyers in 2023 has to be extremely small and not at all of a concern for Nikon, as clearly indicated by their market strategy so far in not supporting it.

I think most people looking at adapting MF glass are already starting by looking at Sony first.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:20 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

Like I honestly think Nikon looked at the people that haven't bought a lens from them in 20-30 years and were like:

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

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Again, the market of D holdouts and new-to-D lens buyers in 2023 has to be extremely small and not at all of a concern for Nikon, as clearly indicated by their market strategy so far in not supporting it.

I think most people looking at adapting MF glass are already starting by looking at Sony first.

D lenses are not MF. That is the whole point. Nikon could have maintained compatibility but chose not to. Instead, they are just like the rest. Why not give a prospective customer the option of full compatibility with legacy lenses? Even if they will never use it? It's all about marketing, and would have been something that differentiated Nikon from the field.

Nikon could even have spun it on social media. Have some influencers showcase how cool the Z camera is, and then show - wow - it is so awesome it even fully works with these old lenses! No-one else does that! It doesn't even matter if no new customer buys an old creaky D lens, this is a cool possibility in case that customer ever decides to.

Instead to a new buyer, Nikon is just the same as the rest, who actually may have features they prefer.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:27 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

This is really really assuming that the demographic that uses social media is going to go out of their way to buy something that you can basically only find in good condition in Japan unless somebody at their local camera store didn't really abuse the thing. This is basically the problem with this forum in general where people think just because something isn't exactly geared towards them that said decision is a business disaster.
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D lenses are not MF. That is the whole point. Nikon could have maintained compatibility but chose not to. Instead, they are just like the rest. Why not give a prospective customer the option of full compatibility with legacy lenses? Even if they will never use it? It's all about marketing, and would have been something that differentiated Nikon from the field.

Nikon could even have spun it on social media. Have some influencers showcase how cool the Z camera is, and then show - wow - it is so awesome it even fully works with these old lenses! No-one else...Show more →

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:32 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

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Like I honestly think Nikon looked at the people that haven't bought a lens from them in 20-30 years and were like:

Why buy a Nikon? Why not buy a Sony? Or a Canon?

Hey - you know what's really cool about Nikon? They can still fully use all those neat old lenses if you want!
Oh wait, no they can't. Lost opportunity to differentiate Nikon from the herd.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:32 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

Why buy anything at that point. As I said, it's a business decision. Costs money to try to make something for a product that you don't make a dime off of and can't even repair at this point. People going to people and business will also move on. I wonder if Canon EF users complain this constantly when their lens ecosystem is probably on a 5 year chopping block as well. A mount already dead and dusted. If you guys want to spend 5 grand and up because you're gear from the 90's early 00's isn't supported anymore then fine. Do what you want. But the amount of sad sack bleating everybody does because they're basically ignored because they're no longer a profitable demographic (because face it you ain't) gets annoying.
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Why buy a Nikon? Why not buy a Sony? Or a Canon?

Hey - you know what's really cool about Nikon? They can still fully use all those neat old lenses if you want!
Oh wait, no they can't. Lost opportunity to differentiate Nikon from the herd.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:38 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

JadedWriter wrote:
This is really really assuming that the demographic that uses social media is going to go out of their way to buy something that you can basically only find in good condition in Japan unless somebody at their local camera store didn't really abuse the thing. This is basically the problem with this forum in general where people think just because something isn't exactly geared towards them that said decision is a business disaster.

Actually no. You assume that this site is indicative of the market as a whole. That opinions on FM are the standard driving the marketplace. Unfortunately it is not..

There are far more people on social media than FM. And D lenses are available everywhere. I think it is cute that you think yo need to buy from Japan to find gear in decent condition. Apparently you are unaware of their Mint----- has fungus rating system.

There are thousands upon thousands of excellent D lenses available 'locally'. If it is beat up, don't buy it.

But my whole point is it gives Nikon a cool differentiating factor, separating themselves from the other mfgs if they allowed for full D use. Even if the new buyer never buys a D! Just the option of being able to is a bonus.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:38 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

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Why buy anything at that point. As I said, it's a business decision. Costs money to try to make something for a product that you don't make a dime off of and can't even repair at this point. People going to people and business will also move on. I wonder if Canon EF users complain this constantly when their lens ecosystem is probably on a 5 year chopping block as well. A mount already dead and dusted. If you guys want to spend 5 grand and up because you're gear from the 90's early 00's isn't supported anymore then fine....Show more →

You don't think Nikon makes money selling the FTZ adapter?

Simple question - even if you never use a D lens - why wouldn't you want D compatibility? What is it to you? When that compatibility involves having to buy a correct adapter? Why would you be against Nikon making a fully compatible adapter - one that no-one is making you buy?

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:41 PM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

Why put money into R&Ding something that will see very little profit? I can get an AF-D lens from B&H or Adorama, I personally don't care. I ripped off the band aid of certain things not being supported years ago. Like you can say what you want. Cold hard truth of the matter is that it's not worth the investment cost to Nikon. That simple. This is bean counter decision making.
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Actually no. You assume that this site is indicative of the market as a whole. That opinions on FM are the standard driving the marketplace. Unfortunately it is not..

There are far more people on social media than FM. And D lenses are available everywhere. I think it is cute that you think yo need to buy from Japan to find gear in decent condition. Apparently you are unaware of their Mint----- has fungus rating system.

There are thousands upon thousands of excellent D lenses available 'locally'. If it is beat up, don't buy it.

But my whole point is it gives Nikon...Show more →
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You don't think Nikon makes money selling the FTZ adapter?

Simple question - even if you never use a D lens - why wouldn't you want D compatibility? What is it to you? When that compatibility involves having to buy a correct adapter? Why would you be against Nikon making a fully compatible adapter - one that no-one is making you buy?

Nikon makes money on the FTZ and is easy enough to just bundle in because it's cost effective and not overly engineered. Guess what happens when you try making one with screwdrive? It bloats the pricing. They'd basically just sell a good amount at a loss I think.

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Jan 26, 2023 at 12:44 PM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

My 105 DC , 180 mm 2.8 and 300mm 2.8 deserve to auto focus on a Nikon Z body...got my D780 at least.

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:45 PM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

JadedWriter wrote:
Why put money into R&Ding something that will see very little profit? I can get an AF-D lens from B&H or Adorama, I personally don't care. I ripped off the band aid of certain things not being supported years ago. Like you can say what you want. Cold hard truth of the matter is that it's not worth the investment cost to Nikon. That simple. This is bean counter decision making.

Nikon makes money on the FTZ and is easy enough to just bundle in because it's cost effective and not overly engineered. Guess what happens when you try making one...Show more →

Yes a screw drive FTZ will be more expensive. But no-one will make YOU buy it. Only the people who want one will buy it.

Where's the downside?

Jan 26, 2023 at 12:58 PM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock

Ask Nikon. They’ve clearly identified one because the product doesn’t exist.

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Yes a screw drive FTZ will be more expensive. But no-one will make YOU buy it. Only the people who want one will buy it.

Where's the downside?

Jan 26, 2023 at 01:02 PM

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