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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Nice comment on this TOP article:

https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2023/01/the-rest-is-history.html

Joe: "As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock for my Nikon D850, I'm happy."

Also keeps selling the D850, since I dont have mine just yet.

(And yes I would very much prefer to buy them new instead of secondhand)

Part of me hopes against all reason that Nikon keeps making DSLRs. Canon has already officially announced they will stop making DSLRs. But Nikon apparently still makes the majority of their money with DSLRs. So - maaaaaaaayyyyyyyybeeeeee ?!? But not really.



Jan 25, 2023 at 05:02 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Keep dreaming. All eras come to an end.


Jan 25, 2023 at 07:05 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


They did make the F6 from 2004 to 2020, when arguably 1% of shooters were still using film.


Jan 25, 2023 at 09:09 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Things have changed within Nikon. From the older, traditional, group not believing in mirrorless etc to a new group that did see the light. The fact that also Nikon is now adding features to released models like the entry Z30.
As Scott wrote is every era coming to an end and how much of a joy film was and is for certain photographers is that chapter closed.
My prediction? No more DSLR's that will be made in a few years from now.
I see people whining about the fact that they cannot use their AF-D lenses. Same thing. Nikon took a (business) decision to only have AF on their Z mount cameras and that's it. You can't drag all the history with you when a new system is released.



Jan 25, 2023 at 09:42 AM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Sauseschritt wrote:
Nice comment on this TOP article:

https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2023/01/the-rest-is-history.html

Joe: "As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock for my Nikon D850, I'm happy."

Also keeps selling the D850, since I dont have mine just yet.

(And yes I would very much prefer to buy them new instead of secondhand)

Part of me hopes against all reason that Nikon keeps making DSLRs. Canon has already officially announced they will stop making DSLRs. But Nikon apparently still makes the majority of their money with DSLRs. So - maaaaaaaayyyyyyyybeeeeee ?!? But not really.




my opinion......

You will be able to buy (used) and repair your DSLR equipment for *many* years to come. Do you have a D850 yet? If not, save up and get it! Safe to say I'll never sell my D850 (even w/o the update). It's the sensor. I love the sensor!

Nikon cannot be expected to develop/maintain both DSLR and MILC.

I'm thankful that F mount lenses work so well with the Z9 (by all credible accounts).

The Z9 outclasses any DSLR that Nikon will ever produce again.

When first announcing their intentions (for the eventual Z9), upper management said it would be replacing the flagship with a mirrorless flagship. They sure did that and more!

Fully functioning, articulating rear LCD, pre-release burst (are you kidding?). The list of exciting Z9 features is long and growing.

You have no worries regarding the DSLR. If you choose to, you will be able to happily shoot Nikon DSLR's long into the future.



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Jan 25, 2023 at 10:13 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


In all honesty I think Nikon saw the AF-D users as a crowd of photographers they weren't going to make a profit on any way. They don't even sell the lenses new, they don't manufacture them, it's legacy users that they made money off of once, period. The profit they make on the bodies probably gets sucked up instantly doing the R&D for a product that probably 1200 people tops would buy.
Vinnie_VdB wrote:
Things have changed within Nikon. From the older, traditional, group not believing in mirrorless etc to a new group that did see the light. The fact that also Nikon is now adding features to released models like the entry Z30.
As Scott wrote is every era coming to an end and how much of a joy film was and is for certain photographers is that chapter closed.
My prediction? No more DSLR's that will be made in a few years from now.
I see people whining about the fact that they cannot use their AF-D lenses. Same thing. Nikon took a
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Jan 25, 2023 at 10:18 AM
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JadedWriter wrote:
In all honesty I think Nikon saw the AF-D users as a crowd of photographers they weren't going to make a profit on any way. They don't even sell the lenses new, they don't manufacture them, it's legacy users that they made money off of once, period. The profit they make on the bodies probably gets sucked up instantly doing the R&D for a product that probably 1200 people tops would buy.



On the contrary, Nikon made their reputation by maintaining compatibility to older lenses for a long time and they advertised some of the AF lenses (the DC Nikkors) until only a few years ago. They didn't make any 135mm or 180mm prime, or the 200 Micro in AF-S. When you form a customer base by keeping compatibility for the longest time, these people learn to take advantage of the different characters of the lenses developed in different eras and enjoy them. By then shafting the customers by dropping compatibility for no good reason (the D780 shows that LV AF can work well with AF Nikkors without in-lens motors), the customers will feel betrayed and move to another brand. Despite Canon taking its sweet time before introducing full-frame mirrorless, Canon managed the transition without losing market share whereas Nikon lost 70% of its market share. The simple reason is that Canon was able to maintain good compatibility and Nikon did not. The Z9 is reported to AF AF-S Nikkors well but the other camera bodies jitter quite a bit when autofocusing many AF-S Nikkors especially in low light.

By providing a smoother transition, Canon was able to keep their old customers and increase their market share to a record high, despite being just as late to the game as Nikon. They just respected their existing equipment base more and this grows customer loyalty.

I have hope that the replacements to the Z6 II and Z7 II will have competitive AF in their price classes by inheriting Expeed 7 from the Z9. It should also support adapted lenses fairly well. I hope. The Z9 shows that it is possible. They just have to want to do it.

You cannot play the game of luring customers with long-standing compatibility and then suddenly make a mess of it. Trust is in the manufacturer is key for customers to have enough faith in the longevity of the company's support to justify buying expensive lenses. A consistent policy is essential to get loyal, lifelong customers who mix earlier with new lenses and enjoy the variety. These are the best customers of all.



Jan 25, 2023 at 10:50 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Somebody actually legit needs to do a poll of who is still actively using AF-D lenses, when they were bought them and the actual age range of said person using them. Canon has already eradicated a mount before moving to EF mount and current RF mount. I honestly do not think Nikon is dumb enough to make a new mirrorless camera (no stuff like the Z30 don't count) without putting Xspeed 7 into it. My Z6II adapted my 105 1.4 and 70-200FL pretty well. My Z mount transition was smoother than E mount, I just didn't adapt that much glass to it unless said glass was actually good and still went native where I could. My biggest Z mount issue was my Godox flashes not working and having to go to Adorama and having them (flash and trigger) updated by them. I honestly think Z mount transition issues depending on when you got into the system (and what you shoot) is vastly blown out of proportion. My literal tone with AF-D lenses is "Ok, they don't work great on Z mount, I guess I'm not buying them."
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On the contrary, Nikon made their reputation by maintaining compatibility to older lenses for a long time and they advertised some of the AF lenses (the DC Nikkors) until only a few years ago. They didn't make any 135mm or 180mm prime, or the 200 Micro in AF-S. When you form a customer base by keeping compatibility for the longest time, these people learn to take advantage of the different characters of the lenses developed in different eras and enjoy them. By then shafting the customers by dropping compatibility for no good reason (the D780 shows that LV AF can
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Jan 25, 2023 at 11:01 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


No poll needed. I use AF Nikkor lenses on occasion and am 50. I know people in their 30s using AF Nikkors along with AF-S ones. The reasons can be simply price or the special nature of a lens. I personally think lenses should last a lifetime and manufacturers should make every effort to ensure that no lens is discarded before it is literally worn out beyond repair and then it should be recycled to ensure that natural resources are not spent undiscriminatingly. In fact I think manufacturers should also pay for the capture of the CO2 emitted to the atmosphere in the manufacture and return the mines to their natural states before the human intervention. All of this should be included in the purchase price.


Jan 25, 2023 at 11:11 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


To quote a famous comedian, it's nice to want things.


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


I'm still using and buying AF-S gear. AF-D is the issue we were discussing. I go where the deals are when they make sense. I actually divorced my 35 1.8S for the 40 1.4 Sigma unless it make sense to use the 35 because the Sigma is the better lens for when I need it for ad work. I think all lenses should work too, if it is actually something they can control. I have a Tamron 35 1.8VC that I don't think works or it didn't work like two years ago and instead of complaining about it and starting threads complaining about it I just bought something that worked. I try to not get too emotional about gear unless gear is actually legit just pissing me off and if it's at that point I just get rid of or stop using said gear and transition to something else that gets the job done and provides me with actual enjoyment.

Godox kind of wasn't working right for me so I said F it and bought somebody's Profoto gear at a good price. Godox still works and could get me through a job (when it wants to work), but I actually do enjoy the Profoto stuff more and like their customer service and build quality better so I'm basically just a Profoto guy at this point. It has stressed me out once...twice...because I was bricking their triggers without realizing my phone wasn't properly compatible with their app, but minus one session where the stuff wasn't firing consistently I've been more than happy with the stuff. I guess with me I'm just not a "from my cold dead hands" type of person when it comes to purchases. I will use them for fun and for work and as long as it's doing its job I don't care and I can get it repaired if it ain't or I'll get rid of it and let someone else use it. I'm just trying to have fun and not be hyper invested in stuff and will try to adapt with the times if need be.
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No poll needed. I use AF Nikkor lenses on occasion and am 50. I know people in their 30s using AF Nikkors along with AF-S ones. The reasons can be simply price or the special nature of a lens. I personally think lenses should last a lifetime and manufacturers should make every effort to ensure that no lens is discarded before it is literally worn out beyond repair and then it should be recycled to ensure that natural resources are not spent undiscriminatingly. In fact I think manufacturers should also pay for the capture of the CO2 emitted to the
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Jan 25, 2023 at 11:23 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Canon had one really big compatibility issue Nikon had a lot of lesser issues. Like pre AI on my FM-2n and EM. D70 didn't have metering using older lenses, Canon did, or I might have gone Nikon digital. Apparently a lot of older af lenses have limited features on newer bodies like no af.

I got a lot more negative on mirrorless once I realized not enough R&D money to develop both. I hope Nikon continues to produce DSLR'S, I'd at least consider changing brands if they did.



Jan 25, 2023 at 01:20 PM
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Vinnie_VdB wrote:
Things have changed within Nikon. From the older, traditional, group not believing in mirrorless etc to a new group that did see the light. The fact that also Nikon is now adding features to released models like the entry Z30.
As Scott wrote is every era coming to an end and how much of a joy film was and is for certain photographers is that chapter closed.
My prediction? No more DSLR's that will be made in a few years from now.
I see people whining about the fact that they cannot use their AF-D lenses. Same thing. Nikon took a
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Well, they did drag that history with them when they marketed the new system. All lenses will adapt, they say. Small asterisk that half the AF lenses out there will be bricked.

Depending on the quantity of screwdriver lenses people own, if you have to make a clean break, suddenly Canon and Sony get a look. Not the best business decision in my book. They may not have made money with a screwdriver adapter, but they would have off all the bodies many legacy users ended up never buying. And I don't consider it whining. Its a legitimate compliant, even if you refuse to recognize it.

I have a 300 f4 and an 80-200 2.8 that are screwdriver lenses. They wont adapt. I rewarded Nikon by buying a Sigma. They are lucky I bought the body.




Jan 25, 2023 at 04:24 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


As long as Ford keeps making those Model T parts!

Wait...



Jan 25, 2023 at 05:25 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Yup. Photography is basically a mix of tech and art. And like all tech things something is going to be outdated whether a person wants to believe it or not. Most tech industries are aware of this and photographers for some odd reason believe they're immune to this. This makes about as much sense as complaining about floppy disks being irrelevant. Heck you can almost liken this to CD's and yes I know the price entry point for this isn't the same, but the amount of industry and economics in this isn't that different to be honest. I only buy CD's if said music group isn't popular enough to be on streaming service like ITunes (trust me this happens) and I have to hunt down some out of print CD. Even if I did buy a CD it's not even the easiest thing to get access to the music on the thing.
RoamingScott wrote:
As long as Ford keeps making those Model T parts!

Wait...





Jan 25, 2023 at 05:58 PM
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JadedWriter wrote:
In all honesty I think Nikon saw the AF-D users as a crowd of photographers they weren't going to make a profit on any way. They don't even sell the lenses new, they don't manufacture them, it's legacy users that they made money off of once, period. The profit they make on the bodies probably gets sucked up instantly doing the R&D for a product that probably 1200 people tops would buy.



I am just surprised that no third party wants to make adapter for AF-D lens for Z mount considering that we already have EF, E and even M mount AF adapter. Wonder if it is a problem with size of the motor or some other physical issue that prevents such adapter to exist. When E mount did not have a whole bunch of lenses, there were quite a few F to E mount adapters that support AF for AF-S lenses but none that would support AF-D lens either.

However, when I have a little urge to use my 135/2DC, I am using F to M mount adapter and mount it on Techart M to Z mount adapter and it does give me a bit of AF but it does not work quite as well as using M mount lenses and forget ibis mess with this setup. Not sure if it is the lower contrast on the 135/2 DC or may be the weight of the lens that causes problemw with AF. I would imagine native AF-D to Z mount adapter would be better still.




Jan 25, 2023 at 07:06 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


RoamingScott wrote:
Keep dreaming. All eras come to an end.


Right. Cant get rangefinders anymore either. Large format is dead. Right.



Jan 26, 2023 at 03:21 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


Yeah I think the fact that you have to put a motor into the thing really drives up the cost of making one. Like I always tell people that if China hasn't made one yet there's a reason for it. I'd probably love getting a 135DC and putting it onto the Z9, but it's just much easier to adapt the Sigma Art so what's the point?
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I am just surprised that no third party wants to make adapter for AF-D lens for Z mount considering that we already have EF, E and even M mount AF adapter. Wonder if it is a problem with size of the motor or some other physical issue that prevents such adapter to exist. When E mount did not have a whole bunch of lenses, there were quite a few F to E mount adapters that support AF for AF-S lenses but none that would support AF-D lens either.

However, when I have a little urge to use my 135/2DC, I
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Jan 26, 2023 at 07:25 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


suteetat wrote:
I am just surprised that no third party wants to make adapter for AF-D lens for Z mount considering that we already have EF, E and even M mount AF adapter. Wonder if it is a problem with size of the motor or some other physical issue that prevents such adapter to exist. When E mount did not have a whole bunch of lenses, there were quite a few F to E mount adapters that support AF for AF-S lenses but none that would support AF-D lens either.

However, when I have a little urge to use my 135/2DC, I
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I'm kinda surprised that it hasn't happened as well. You would think there would be enough market for it, given the other adapters out there that seem even more remote. But it appears it wont happen so smartasses can continue to make stupid Model T references, of which, btw, there is a robust aftermarket.



Jan 26, 2023 at 08:18 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · As long as Nikon keeps repair parts in stock


They’ll continue to manufacture the D850. It’s not going anywhere anytime soon. Soon being 1-3 years. There are still plenty of sports shooters choosing D5 and D6 bodies over the Z9. I still see local media photographers shooting Nikon DSLRs. While I don’t see Nikon coming out with any new DSLR models in the next 5 years, they’ll still be selling and servicing DSLRs in 5 years. But they may streamline the offerings and only have the D6, D850, and D780 left, gently pushing entry level buyers over to the Z mount. In 5-10 years, things might then die off, unless there remains a nostalgia for OVF shooting. People still shoot film, so not everyone is tech driven. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nikon maintained a small DSLR presence for 10 years given they no longer have to justify any R and D or marketing costs to support the line.


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