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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


There is not too much information around using Canon with Nikon ES-2 so I want to share my setup.

Canon R5 + both Meike MK-RF-AF1 13mm and 18mm Extension Tubes + Canon RF 35 1.8 + Nikon ES-2

With this setup you can get the slide to fill the full frame and capturing at full resolution, although my old slides are not really 45mpix worthy but never the less is good not to lose quality in the digitalization process.

As the Nikon ES-2 can be screwed directly to a 52mm filter thread, no step up/down ring is needed with the 35 1.8, and as you can move the ES-2 a bit forward or backward you can move it until the slide fill the frame.

I then connect the camera to a large hdmi screen and I'm good to go. You can alternatively tether it to a pc via USB-C or WiFi.

The ES-2 slide carrier has some wiggle room when inserted in to the ES-2 so you really need to check that is positioned right, the big screen help with this.

So far I have digitized around 400 slides in a couple of hours much better than with a dia scanner.



Jan 23, 2023 at 12:54 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


I use the ES-1 and now ES-2 with an EF-S 35 macro on my 90D. I could use the lens on R series with adapter. Using that lens requires a 49 mm to 52 mm step up ring. It doesn't require extension tubes although the ES-2 film holder can extend a bit to adjust coverage on the sensor. It also has a film holder in addition to a slide holder.

I agree that the photocopy process with modern sensors is less noisy than my old Nikon film scanner. However, the film scanner could use an infrared channel for dust and scratches on many color negative films. For black and white and Kodachrome slides I much prefer the photocopy method. Also, I became a fan of Topaz DeNoise using it on first scanned and now photocopied film. My slides never looked so good.



Jan 24, 2023 at 10:26 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


I hope your EF-S 35 is better than mine! The corners are hopeless at least at 1:1.

So my setup is RP, EF 100mm f/2.8 L and ES-1 ... with the required extension tubes and step rings.

For light I use neutral paper as reflective surface and a flash on both sides of the slide. I've also cut a couple of slides, so that I can put a film strip in them and pull that through. ES-1 could handle only single slide.



Jan 24, 2023 at 10:59 AM
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I have two of them and find both excellent - to my standards at least. Iíve seen no issues for macro use or at longer ranges and it compares well to my other primes. The ring light is handy for field use and it is a very light addition to my pack. It will probably have a long future on my R7.

For light I use an LED video light close enough to fill the frame and set to daylight.



Jan 24, 2023 at 12:05 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


Any full size samples posted anywhere? I have boxes of slides I should convert, or just send them in to someplace like scancafe. But I need a fast process, not gonna spend 5+ min per slide with a scanner.


Jan 24, 2023 at 02:54 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


si_film wrote:
Any full size samples posted anywhere? I have boxes of slides I should convert, or just send them in to someplace like scancafe. But I need a fast process, not gonna spend 5+ min per slide with a scanner.


Here's a couple "scans" I made with the Nikon ES-2 Film Digitalizer Adapter on an EOS 80D and EF-s 35 2.8 IS STM. Works even better on the R7!

Each "scan" took about 1/125 sec...

https://www.fraryguitar.com/pac_coast_pages/pac_coast_53.htm




Jan 24, 2023 at 04:45 PM
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Gochugogi wrote:
Each "scan" took about 1/125 sec...


As Gochu says the photocopy time is near instantaneous. But really it is determined by how fast you can move slides through the camera. It took me far longer to sort and sequence my slides into order than copy them. And, unless you just want to archive them, there will be some post processing involved. Still much faster than my film scanner days.



Jan 24, 2023 at 06:35 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


action99 wrote:
There is not too much information around using Canon with Nikon ES-2 so I want to share my setup.

Canon R5 + both Meike MK-RF-AF1 13mm and 18mm Extension Tubes + Canon RF 35 1.8 + Nikon ES-2

With this setup you can get the slide to fill the full frame and capturing at full resolution, although my old slides are not really 45mpix worthy but never the less is good not to lose quality in the digitalization process.

As the Nikon ES-2 can be screwed directly to a 52mm filter thread, no step up/down ring is needed with the 35
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How do you find the image quality from the RF35 for this application? Is it sharp across the frame?

I also bought an ES-2 with the intention to use an EOS-M series camera with the EF-M 35 macro, but that lens was discontinued in favor of the 28, it seemed, and is hard to find. I tried the 28 and it was too wide angle, leaving too much 'dead' space around the slide/negative. I also found that the wide angle of view, combined with the thickness of the filmstrip holder, meant that the plastic frame behind the plane of focus was seen by the lens and ended up cropping into the image area more than I would like. It would seem the solution would be either a longer lens or to enlarge the film strip openings to show some rebate area around the image.

I've since picked up an R6II and am contemplating lens options. Could go with an adapted Nikon 55 or 60 macro. There are also some lower priced macros from the new Chinese lens companies... I otherwise don't do macro work regularly and am not really interested in getting a Canon 100 macro.



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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


A used Sigma 70mm Art should be reasonably priced and also better than the Canons. I hate the fly-by-wire focus and don't fancy the extending design, but the quality is there.


Jan 25, 2023 at 12:48 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


rscheffler wrote:
I also bought an ES-2 with the intention to use an EOS-M series camera with the EF-M 35 macro, but that lens was discontinued in favor of the 28,...


I couldn't find any reference to there ever being an EF-M 35, just the 28. An adapted EF-S 35 should work as well on M as other bodies and they are still available new.



Jan 25, 2023 at 11:43 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


Probably got EF-S and EF-M mixed up.


Jan 25, 2023 at 08:41 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


rscheffler wrote:
How do you find the image quality from the RF35 for this application? Is it sharp across the frame?

I also bought an ES-2 with the intention to use an EOS-M series camera with the EF-M 35 macro, but that lens was discontinued in favor of the 28, it seemed, and is hard to find. I tried the 28 and it was too wide angle, leaving too much 'dead' space around the slide/negative. I also found that the wide angle of view, combined with the thickness of the filmstrip holder, meant that the plastic frame behind the plane of focus was
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I'm also not interested in macro and not even sure the Canon 100 would be a good fit for this, the ES-2 is made for shorter lenses and has a 52mm thread so with step down it will vignette and you need a way to extend the ES-2 for that lens.

The Canon RF 35 1.8 is not really a macro lens (1:2) thus the need of the tubes with the tubes it makes it a 1-1 macro thus filling the frame.. At 4 and 5.6 the RF 35 1.8 is very sharp across the frame. I did not see any issue with my borders but in my case most of my slides are from a Minolta 700si with a 35-105 kit lens so the borders are already not great to begin with.

Even compared to the RF 100 macro the RF 35 does not so bad: https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1224&Camera=1508&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=4&LensComp=1554&CameraComp=1508&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=3 I honestly doubt that you will see any difference on a slide.

You also want to have an AF lens as there a bit of wiggling room on the ES-2 slide holder so manual AF is slow and the very thin DOF makes it harder.

As you already own the ES-2, you could just pick up a used RF 35 1.8, buy the tubes 38$ and then if you are not happy resell the RF 35 1.8. But I doubt you will not be happy with it.





Jan 27, 2023 at 05:09 AM
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action99 wrote:
I'm also not interested in macro and not even sure the Canon 100 would be a good fit for this, the ES-2 is made for shorter lenses and has a 52mm thread so with step down it will vignette and you need a way to extend the ES-2 for that lens.

You would need the extension, but the diameter difference is not going to cause any vignetting. After all - you won't be using the lens at full aperture, will you?


You also want to have an AF lens as there a bit of wiggling room on the ES-2 slide holder so manual AF is slow and the very thin DOF makes it harder.

I ended up using manual focus, though I used ES-1. It has some play between the tube parts, but none for the slide. I tried AF, but I couldn't trust the results.




Jan 28, 2023 at 09:50 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
How do you find the image quality from the RF35 for this application? Is it sharp across the frame?

I also bought an ES-2 with the intention to use an EOS-M series camera with the EF-M 35 macro, but that lens was discontinued in favor of the 28, it seemed, and is hard to find. I tried the 28 and it was too wide angle, leaving too much 'dead' space around the slide/negative. I also found that the wide angle of view, combined with the thickness of the filmstrip holder, meant that the plastic frame behind the plane of focus was
...Show more
action99 wrote:
I'm also not interested in macro and not even sure the Canon 100 would be a good fit for this, the ES-2 is made for shorter lenses and has a 52mm thread so with step down it will vignette and you need a way to extend the ES-2 for that lens.

The Canon RF 35 1.8 is not really a macro lens (1:2) thus the need of the tubes with the tubes it makes it a 1-1 macro thus filling the frame.. At 4 and 5.6 the RF 35 1.8 is very sharp across the frame. I did not see
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Thanks, this is definitely something to think about. WRT to image quality: my preference is for the film grain to be correctly focused across the image area, whether or not the original taking lens was of good quality. At least that way the 'scan' will be as faithful of the original as I can make it and minimize introducing much in the way of additional 'generational' changes. I have a lot of B&W negatives shot on high ISO film stock, such as Kodak TMZ 3200. Uneven grain sharpness would be quite obvious and annoying, for me.



Jan 28, 2023 at 11:15 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Digitalizing slides with Canon mirrorless and Nikon ES-2


rscheffler wrote:
Thanks, this is definitely something to think about. WRT to image quality: my preference is for the film grain to be correctly focused across the image area, whether or not the original taking lens was of good quality. At least that way the 'scan' will be as faithful of the original as I can make it and minimize introducing much in the way of additional 'generational' changes. I have a lot of B&W negatives shot on high ISO film stock, such as Kodak TMZ 3200. Uneven grain sharpness would be quite obvious and annoying, for me.


Extreme border of the RF 35 1.8 at 5.6 are better than the RF 24-70 2.8 at 35mm... it is really a sharp lens across the frame. My slides are all Kodachrome 64 so not much grain so I can't give you and example.



Jan 30, 2023 at 08:17 AM







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