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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · Anyone Switched from Mac to PC?


gdanmitchell wrote:
RustyBug wrote:
PC platform?

I don't disagree that you can get there from either side, having been on the PC side for a long time, and recently finding the Mac to my appeal. So, rather than debate the "which is better", the question can be shifted to "what's to gain for the switch".

I'm biased in that I have decades on the Mac side — though I've also used PCs and taught in labs that had both. But my point is that — obviously, just look around — that photographers can do everything they need to do on whichever platform they find themselves
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It sure is. We see the same pointless, endless arguments about My Camera Is The Very Best Camera and You Are a Cretin If You Don't Agree. Meanwhile, there are excellent photographers using every one of these brands to make outstanding photography, and you cannot tell which brand was used when you look at their work.

Occasion, rare "switching" or adding an additional system can make sense in some cases, but for the most part folks are better of sticking with what they have, resisting the siren song of "switching," and focusing on photography rather than cameras.

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There was a fairly large study done on this about ten years ago, I believe it was actually IBM Consulting of all organizations that did it, and the data was pretty unequivocal--Macs had a longer-term lower TCO for corporations that were able to use them, in large part due to lower support costs.

At my last corporate job we sold very highly-specialized software designed for mathematical analysis of risk in financial portfolios. It was 100% PC-only, however, I implemented an open standards policy at work as many of the developers and others wanted to use Macs. Just as you pointed
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Given the ten-years-ago time frame of that study, I think that it came up in some of our discussions at the time, too.

There are some issues in this world where zealotry is perhaps a good thing. But those things aren't operating systems or computer brands. ;-)
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If you like using a tool (camera, lens, computer, wrench, pen, sewing machine, knife, chisel, etc) ... use the snot out of it.
If you don't like using it ... find something else that you do like using.
Then, use the snot out of that.

Which is why I'm hesitant about the OP switching to PC, if he really likes the Mac. His question of change is rooted in $$$, not in working with what he likes to work in. Penny wise ... or jumping from the frying pan to the fire





Jan 22, 2023 at 10:52 PM
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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · Anyone Switched from Mac to PC?


RustyBug wrote:
Which is why I'm hesitant about the OP switching to PC, if he really likes the Mac. His question of change is rooted in $$$, not in working with what he likes to work in. Penny wise ... or jumping from the frying pan to the fire



On this — and the beer — I'm on the same page with you. I didn't want to say it from a Mac perspective, because some folks will think I'm just promoting the Mac.

But I used to tell students in courses I taught using computer software, when they asked what platform to buy into, that either would work and that the most important factor was probably what the people they would likely go to for support were using.

Generally — with computer platforms and camera brands — switching turns out to be less advantageous that folks imagine it will be. There are exceptions, but they are... exceptions.



Jan 23, 2023 at 11:29 AM
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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · Anyone Switched from Mac to PC?


ohsnaphappy wrote:
>snip< Looking at specs alone, PC's look like they would be a lot faster and they sure cost a lot less. >snip<


IMHO, the metric for changing OS platforms would be to conduct a personal UI speed and comfort test comparison between both OS's (where practicable) performing identical workflows (as best as possible between two systems) to see how one "gets on" with the UI's and systems as-a-whole. Processor speed for still imaging has been more than sufficient for quite some time now, again, IMHO. So the question is, "how efficient is one behind the keyboard with the OS's and interfaces?" If one is losing time based on operating the OS and getting their tasks accomplished then whatever perceived hardware time savings in milliseconds just doesn't equate...again, all in my humble opinion.

Specs, schmecs, does one's OS environment inspire one to be creative or does it make one's experience a drudgery?

Jimmy G




Jan 25, 2023 at 09:20 AM
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I kind of agree with this, but to someone who is very familiar with one of the OS's to try the other and expect to use "get" it quickly enough to make a valid comparison is less than likely. I'm battling this myself as a lifelong Win user but having switched (a year ago) to an M1 Macbook Pro from an HP laptop. I still use my Windows desktop and still fumble with the Mac (ie I'm still using both). And I don't think it's because the Mac OS is less capable in creating a fluid use. I think it's just that I have a way better memory of Windows. If course it could be that Mac really does not fit with me, or even I'm getting too old to learn new tricks (though I seem to still pick up new software quickly).

I have to plug away at it as my desktop is showing it's age and I need to decide if a well spec's Studio or Win is in it's future. I just hope it doesn't break before I'm ready to make that decision ...



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mcbroomf wrote:
I kind of agree with this, but to someone who is very familiar with one of the OS's to try the other and expect to use "get" it quickly enough to make a valid comparison is less than likely.


Given how much time people spend on their computers, I think it's well worth an experiment to try a different OS for a few weeks or even months. Yeah it will cost you some time but it could potentially payoff for years (and result in much less aggravation) if you find a better OS (for you). Spend the time to customize the OS and learn the ins and outs.

Sometimes it's very little things that can make a huge difference -- for example, on the trackpads on mac laptops were leaps and bounds ahead of the typical windows laptop at the time I switched (not sure if that's still the case, haven't had a win daily driver in nearly 10 years). Much better built, larger, more responsive, supports gestures etc. It made a huge difference to me. Now for my friend that does everything with keyboard shortcuts, it's wasn't an advantage at all. I'm sure there are many things about mac that would annoy some win or linux users too.



Jan 25, 2023 at 10:13 AM
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sbay wrote:
Given how much time people spend on their computers, I think it's well worth an experiment to try a different OS for a few weeks or even months. Yeah it will cost you some time but it could potentially payoff for years (and result in much less aggravation) if you find a better OS (for you). Spend the time to customize the OS and learn the ins and outs.


I've made the switch back and forth a few times, and I think months are definitely in order because you have to get past the initial adjustment phase. I actually gave Windows two years last time before switching back to Mac. I also switched fulltime to Linux for a year before going back to the Mac.

I'm very experienced in Windows and Mac; I've been using Macs since the late 1980s and Windows since the late 1990s and most of my work is in Windows; I use Mac for my creative projects (photography, music, video), managing my finances, maintaining websites, etc. It would be more efficient if we could be a one-platform household (my spouse uses Windows but she also has an iPhone and iPad) so I've tried several times to switch fulltime to Windows and ditch the Mac but I always ended up going back to the Mac. I still need to keep Windows machines here due to my work so I'm resigned to keep both; each has its strengths and weaknesses, but I am more efficient on Mac for very specific reasons that are mostly unique to my particular needs. My brother is more efficient on Windows but also uses (and writes software for) both platforms.

I think it takes at least 4-5 months to get past the annoyance phase ("this works so much better on the other platform, why is it so cumbersome here"), which colours your thinking and prevents objective evaluation. Each time I switched I kept notes on problems I encountered for future reference, and I review those notes each time I'm tempted to switch again.




Jan 25, 2023 at 11:45 AM
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p.4 #7 · p.4 #7 · Anyone Switched from Mac to PC?


sbay wrote:
Given how much time people spend on their computers, I think it's well worth an experiment to try a different OS for a few weeks or even months. Yeah it will cost you some time but it could potentially payoff for years (and result in much less aggravation) if you find a better OS (for you). Spend the time to customize the OS and learn the ins and outs.

Sometimes it's very little things that can make a huge difference -- for example, on the trackpads on mac laptops were leaps and bounds ahead of the typical windows laptop at the
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I rented a MBP for a week, to see how I'd get along with it. Sure, a week isn't enough time to get proficient with a different OS.

But, it was enough time to notice how smooth certain operations were. And, enough time to go "hmmm, maybe there is something to this OS (if I can learn a new trick)". Next step, bought a 16" M1 with a given configuration. Returned it bought a different configuration (Max 64GB vs. Pro 32GB). Learned the the 16" might be too big for me (ergonomics), decide to return and wait for the M2's to come out. Holding pattern right now.

So, +1 at the expense / time to explore the realm of a different OS. If it calls to you (Mac's smoothness and heat signature are calling), great. If it doesn't ... then, you can put that bed to rest, and carry on with your present direction.

Change is expensive (time / money / learning), etc. Sometimes, it IS WORTH the endeavor. Other times, you might as well invest that same expense (time / money / learning) into your present scenario. While the OP has gone MIA, I can't help but wonder if the "sticker shock" he's having with the new Studio wouldn't be offset by the cost of change, anyway ... so, might as well stay put with Mac, and invest there vs. investing in change.

Maybe he looks at the M2 Pro Mini instead of the Studio (upgrade to Studio in out year) because of the peripherals $$$. Maybe he looks at the MBP instead of the Studio. Maybe he finances the "sticker shock". But, I do think he has not looked into his Mac OS options well enough (i.e. hasn't even tried out a new M1 / M2 chip), but is already thinking (on spec) that the move to the Windows platform looks (financially) attractive on spec.

Simply put, if he's been happy with Mac's OS and performance ... but, he's only "not happy" about the $$$ for future Mac endeavors. Well, frying pan / fire. They can both get ya cookin', they can both get ya burnt. Go with the one that you cook best with.



Jan 25, 2023 at 12:50 PM
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Anyone Switched from Mac to PC? ~ Heresy!


Jan 25, 2023 at 02:33 PM
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