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Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

Glad you got it working! That Airprint thing is annoying, I wonder if that's part of the issue.

Xavier Rival wrote:
I got to try this out this week-end, and am happy to report success.

First, I removed the previous install of the driver.
Then, I went in the System Preferences->Printers and Scanners tab and selected "add printer". That gave me the choice to install it with or without Airprint.
When I printed a picture for the first time with the new install, a pop up opened to propose me to "upgrade" to Airprint. No thanks... In any case, I can now set the paper and make sure that colorsync is active as it should. And most importantly, the resulting print was...Show more →

Jan 08, 2023 at 05:32 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

I am getting back to this thread as I just acquired an Epson ET-8500 printer to use at home when I cannot use the P800. My problem is that, after 10 attempts, I could not manage to get it installed in any other way than the ludicrous "AirPrint". And of course, the consequence is that it will not let me set the paper kind properly, so obviously all proper color management principles go out of the window... This is so frustrating.

How to ***force*** the install as a non AirPrint device ?

(Shame to Epson for pairing advanced printers with such bad software, that essentially defeats the purpose of the printer; the ET-8500 proposes me to print pictures from my cell phone but I do not care for this, I just want to print from my desktop or laptop on fine art paper with proper color management).

Feb 11, 2023 at 11:28 AM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

Ok—so much wrong with engineers (coders) today—result of bad system...no empathy—zero

Settings—printers—Remove P800

1. disconnect your P800 (really), probably would work to simply turn off, I'm just eliminating variables here, trying

2. Then I got rid (trash/empty) of all Epson .app/Drivers?? that were found
Search for "Epson" in Apple's awful search bar (see reasons above)
they were in
USER/LIBRARY/PRINTERS

3. Ran the Epson .dmg (again)

4. THEN I reconnected the printer and ON

5. Finally I could ADD the P800 in Settings/Printers
Click on info and 1262. NOT see Air Whatever

Then all the old adjustments (AWB, Paper, size...) can be found, not nearly as elegantly as in the past.

This is my life!!

Feb 17, 2023 at 08:47 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

Haven't visited here for a long time, but found this thread while trying to help someone with a similar problem. I see a number of complaints here about Epson's driver being poor because of the confusion caused by Airprint. The Airprint business is from Apple, not Epson, and Apple requires that it be shown as the default option when installing an Epson driver on a MacOS. The way to avoifdthis problem is to watch the install process very carefully. There is one step in the sequence, which does not hit one in the face, with an option to select Airprint or Series. It is at this point that one selects "Series" and that choice installs the full Epson driver, not Airprint. No-one seriously into printing would want the Airprint driver, but Apple Computer Inc, for decades now, has chosen to ignore this fact.

Mar 04, 2023 at 07:57 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

MarkDS2 wrote:
Haven't visited here for a long time, but found this thread while trying to help someone with a similar problem. I see a number of complaints here about Epson's driver being poor because of the confusion caused by Airprint. The Airprint business is from Apple, not Epson, and Apple requires that it be shown as the default option when installing an Epson driver on a MacOS. The way to avoifdthis problem is to watch the install process very carefully. There is one step in the sequence, which does not hit one in the face, with an option to select Airprint...Show more →

Sorry, this is 100% NOT Apple making Epson do anything. No one else does this, it's an Epson thing. It shouldn't really even *require* two different drivers. All of my HP Printers work fine, no extra software needed, and never any installation for AirPrint. Put the blame where it belongs.

Mar 07, 2023 at 01:05 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

Well, you have different information than I do, which I researched at the time I got confused with AirPrint many years ago. The fact remains that users can avoid the Airprint problem regardless of its origin by watching for the selection of the "Series" driver at time of installation.

Mar 08, 2023 at 07:27 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

Just as a follow-up, here is a quote on the matter from the relevant APPLE support page:

"AirPrint is an Apple technology that helps you create full-quality printed output without the need to download or install drivers." (https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201311). There are numerous other references saying the same.

So unless one downloads the Epson "Series" driver option, by default one ends-up with AirPrint, which provides a much more limited scope of printer functionality.

Mar 08, 2023 at 04:26 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

MarkDS2 wrote:
Just as a follow-up, here is a quote on the matter from the relevant APPLE support page:

"AirPrint is an Apple technology that helps you create full-quality printed output without the need to download or install drivers." (https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201311). There are numerous other references saying the same.

So unless one downloads the Epson "Series" driver option, by default one ends-up with AirPrint, which provides a much more limited scope of printer functionality.

You are completely misunderstanding the situation. AirPrint does NOT need drivers. Anywhere. So Epson's installer is the issue, not AirPrint. Printers that support AirPrint will let you print to them directly without any software or driver installation anywhere, period, full stop. It's Epson's drivers that have given other people fits. That's on Epson.

Mar 08, 2023 at 04:40 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

jhapeman wrote:
Sorry, this is 100% NOT Apple making Epson do anything. No one else does this, it's an Epson thing. It shouldn't really even *require* two different drivers. All of my HP Printers work fine, no extra software needed, and never any installation for AirPrint. Put the blame where it belongs.

What type of printers are you talking about here. I’ve read about AirPrint being installed and buggering up the native printer driver basically making colour management impossible. These issues have been raised by very qualified personnel which test many different photographic printers from all the major manufactures. It seems the solution is to not have AirPrint installed and just use the native printer driver.

Mar 09, 2023 at 01:06 AM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

Jeff Hapeman: It has been my understanding based on conversations with trustworthy people that for whatever reason it was necessary for Epson to present the Airprint option before the Series option and this is what lulled people into making the wrong choice; maybe they could have done it differently, maybe not, I don't know as I am not in their heads and I don't design printer software, I've only been using it for the past 23 years. Maybe that has changed since I had that conversation, but I am not inventing this, I would have no reason to. The bottom line of any use to our readers and what users should focus on is simply this: when you install an Epson driver, watch for the option to select the "Series" driver and use that one. This is all that matters for all practical purposes, and as far as I'm concerned this discussion is over with.

Mar 09, 2023 at 07:53 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

Look, the point in my reply is that is not productive to falsely blame Apple (or Microsoft in a similar situation) when it's the device driver manufacturer. That absolves the party that has created the problem from resolving it.

AirPrint is a driverless architecture. It's built natively into MacOS, iOS and iPadOS so all of those devices to can print directly to printers with built in support for AirPrint; it's an extension of the IPP (Internet Printer Protocol) that is designed for the same thing on a more universal basis. It's not intended to be a full-fledged printing protocol, but just support standard basic printing.

A printer manufacturer can decide to make a non-compatible printer available via AirPrint by installing their own driver that shares the printer and uses AirPrint to do so; that's not on Apple and Apple does NOT make a printer manufacturer install a driver like this. They do it because a lot of cheap printers don't have WiFi built in, and it's easy way for them to make a cheaper printer AirPrint compatible.

The fact is for a professional grade printer like the P800, Epson shouldn't even be asking you to install AirPrint, or should at the very least be making it an optional add-on. But again, that's an Epson thing, and it's not on Apple.

Quite frankly Epson's software drivers have always been flaky, Mac or PC. I stopped using them ages ago because of the problems they caused and that was on both my Windows PCs and Macs at that time.

Mar 09, 2023 at 08:34 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

jhapeman wrote:
Look, the point in my reply is that is not productive to falsely blame Apple (or Microsoft in a similar situation) when it's the device driver manufacturer. That absolves the party that has created the problem from resolving it.

AirPrint is a driverless architecture. It's built natively into MacOS, iOS and iPadOS so all of those devices to can print directly to printers with built in support for AirPrint; it's an extension of the IPP (Internet Printer Protocol) that is designed for the same thing on a more universal basis. It's not intended to be a full-fledged printing protocol, but just...Show more →

Yeh, but the same issue exists with Canon, Epson and HP printers. I think it’s Apple’s arrogance showing again basically defaulting to use AirPrint when printing to any printer and making the user hop through a hoop to tell the OS to use the printer specific driver.

Mar 09, 2023 at 09:32 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

chez wrote:
Yeh, but the same issue exists with Canon, Epson and HP printers. I think it’s Apple’s arrogance showing again basically defaulting to use AirPrint when printing to any printer and making the user hop through a hoop to tell the OS to use the printer specific driver.

I have never had that issue, ever, with any of my HP printers. Last I had a Canon printer I did't have this issue either. Apple doesn't default to AirPrint. YOU have to choose the printer to install and the method to communicate with it.

Mar 09, 2023 at 09:36 AM

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jhapeman wrote:
I have never had that issue, ever, with any of my HP printers. Last I had a Canon printer I did't have this issue either. Apple doesn't default to AirPrint. YOU have to choose the printer to install and the method to communicate with it.

Well if you just do a little searching you’ll quickly see issues with all the printer manufactures. Either there are a bunch of dense photographers out there not knowing how to install a printer or maybe Apple makes this process much harder than it needs to be. These people that are having issues end up with AirPrint as the method of communicating with the printer which causes all sort of printing problems. You can still print with AirPrint, it’s just not very good results.

Mar 09, 2023 at 11:42 AM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Mac Ventura OS and Epson printer (P800)

a quick note to thank you kind people for solving a similar issue I had. Forcing the USB connection also allowed the "epson printer utility 4" app to work. Otherwise, when setup as airprint printer, it didn't launch. Thanks again!

Mar 11, 2023 at 07:57 AM

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