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InFocus2014 wrote:
These shots are a testament to how far lens performance, dynamic range and ISO performance (one shot at ISO 4000) has improved in recent years!


Having come up in the days when pushing Tri-X to 800 was a desperate measure which greatly compromised image quality, I really can't believe what current cameras can do.

(that ISO 4000 shot did have a little help from Topaz, btw).



Mar 04, 2023 at 08:14 PM
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MikeEvangelist wrote:
Having come up in the days when pushing Tri-X to 800 was a desperate measure which greatly compromised image quality, I really can't believe what current cameras can do.

(that ISO 4000 shot did have a little help from Topaz, btw).


Yeah, I can remember pushing Tri-X to 800 in the 60's. I can recall viewing those horrible, contrasty images years later and wondering "what was I thinking?".



Mar 04, 2023 at 09:18 PM
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p.18 #3 · p.18 #3 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


No doubt about it, this lens is sharp. Here's an uninteresting scene, shot at 20mm @ ƒ4. Processed in Lightroom with my custom lens profile. I see nothing to complain about.

A full rez version is here if you want to peep - https://www.dropbox.com/s/wc5loms5mc90r2f/20mm%20at%20%C6%924%20sample%20-%20full%20rez.jpg?dl=0




  ILCE-7RM5    FE 20-70mm F4 G lens    20mm    f/4.0    1/80s    100 ISO    -0.3 EV  




Mar 07, 2023 at 08:10 PM
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p.18 #4 · p.18 #4 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


Got mine today as well, really happy with how things are looking so far. A little heavier in the hand than I was expecting, but still a nice improvement over carrying the Tamron 28-200 like I have been.


Mar 07, 2023 at 10:29 PM
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MikeEvangelist wrote:
Stars and onions.

Not surprising, moderate onion rings in out-of-focus highlights. Also, nice little sunstars at ƒ11.


Thanks, that bokeh doesn't look bad to me at all as far as onion rings are concerned, it looks no worse than what you see on the Sony 24-70 GM Mk I and certainly hugely better than the Tamron 28-75 Mk I. Also the outline is nice and creamy and not like the high-contrast rings typical of Sigma DN lenses for instance (though I appreciate this can be a matter of personal preference). So I'd say it's a decent result for a versatile zoom at F/4.



Mar 08, 2023 at 04:38 AM
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p.18 #6 · p.18 #6 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


Just opened the box.

Will leave the iq evaluation to those more able/inclined but first impressions:

1. Love the size/weight Can easily walk around all day with this. Feels smaller than the 28-200.
2. Excellent range - seems really wide at 20. Might have to compare with the 20 1.8 just for fun
3. Still not thrilled about the speed but with Topaz I don’t mind running up the iso to get the shutter speed up.
4. Love having an aperture ring. If only it went to 2.8
5. Guessing it will not be very good at night so will definitely need to bring a fast prime on trips.

We’ll see - so far it seems like it is pretty much exactly as expected and am really happy to have 20 and 70 in one lens and 100+ in crop mode.



Mar 08, 2023 at 03:49 PM
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liggy wrote:
4. Love having an aperture ring. If only it went to 2.8


Exactly!

Also, I like that there's a lock switch for the aperture ring.



Mar 08, 2023 at 03:52 PM
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MikeEvangelist wrote:
First chance to actually use the lens. I'm happy.

And about the IBIS in the A7r5...wow! I have somewhat shaky hands, and I never would have been able to get such sharp shots at 1/8 sec with my A7r4.


Beautiful pictures of your home. How long have you lived there?



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chiron wrote:
Beautiful pictures of your home. How long have you lived there?


Since 1891.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Hill_House



Mar 08, 2023 at 04:05 PM
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MikeEvangelist wrote:
No doubt about it, this lens is sharp. Here's an uninteresting scene, shot at 20mm @ ƒ4. Processed in Lightroom with my custom lens profile. I see nothing to complain about.

A full rez version is here if you want to peep - https://www.dropbox.com/s/wc5loms5mc90r2f/20mm%20at%20%C6%924%20sample%20-%20full%20rez.jpg?dl=0


Mike what was the focus point in the image. I agree looks pretty good. I am curious as you increase the focal length. Many of Sony zooms do better at either thewide vs tele side and would be interesting to see how things hold up as you move towards 35, 50 and up



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mark1958 wrote:
Mike what was the focus point in the image. I agree looks pretty good. I am curious as you increase the focal length.


Focus was the plants in the center of the frame.

Haven't done any critical tests, but it seems that at 50-70mm the edges are a bit weaker (or perhaps there is field curvature coming into play.) We'll see once I have a more suitable subject for evaluation.



Mar 08, 2023 at 06:05 PM
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p.18 #12 · p.18 #12 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


Very happy with this lens so far, I think this is going to be the every day lens I was hoping it would be. It feels very balanced on my A7IV even though the weight is a bit more than I was expecting. I'm still getting used to the aperture ring being so close to the zoom ring as well, but mainly because it's winter and I need to wear thicker gloves to handle the camera anyway. I don't have any color pics I want to share yet (I do 95% B&W), but I appreciate how much less color fringing there is compared to my 28-200.





















Mar 08, 2023 at 06:56 PM
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p.18 #13 · p.18 #13 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


Lloyd Chambers has written on his blog about this lens https://diglloyd.com/blog/2023/20230307_2040-SonyFE20_70f4G-distortion-assessed.html. For subsribers, there's more.

Essentially he claims the lens is "unusable" for landscape because of the effects of distortion correction at the wider apertures. He also says that because in the corners you effectively need a 1.27x crop and resample you really are down to 40MP of resolution or less, starting from 60.

I just wanted to comment on some of that; it's sort of true and sort of, I think, misleading.

The true thing: the corners after correction will be less sharp than before correction. Of course. So if there are sharpness comparisons showing that you shouldn't be surprised (unless you see them in a whole unzoomed image at a normalise size: that'd surprise me at least)

The misleading thing: image resolution is not just about the MP of the sensor, or for that matter, the resolution of the lens. It's the product of the two. If you have a very high resolution uncorrected in the corners, and then you correct, and resample back to 60MP equivalent, the product of the (for arguments sake) 35MP equivalent sensor resolution in the corners and the high image resolution, resampled back to 60MP may still be very high. As high, or higher, than some good lenses with optical distortion correction on section of an un-interpolated, un-resampled 60MP sensor.

With the best of these electronically corrected lenses, this resultant resolution can be superb, easily good enough for landscape. I haven't used the 20-70; but the PZ 16-35 has huge correction at wider FLS, and I'm very happy with it's final image corner resolution, even peeping.

Will it be as good as the very best optically corrected primes, or super large optically corrected zooms? Probably not. But not easily visibly so, and in many cases better than the best lenses of not long ago.

So yes, as a performance geek, I'll be using Apo Lanthars, and some GMs and so on when it's convenient. But don't expect performance to be much worse on these electronically corrected small lenses. And for many purposes these lenses are astonishing. the PZ is a hikers dream, almost weightless. And the 20-70 is what I'll be buying when my leg works again and overseas travel is a possibility..



Mar 08, 2023 at 07:23 PM
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p.18 #14 · p.18 #14 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


^^^ That guy should stick to antivax whining…


Mar 08, 2023 at 08:27 PM
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p.18 #15 · p.18 #15 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


I'd be interested to see a comparison with the 16-35mm PZ at comparable focal lengths. I'm also really happy with the 16-35mm but can probably get away with 20mm most of the time and I've got the CV 15 if I need to go wider. The indoor pool shot above looked great and sharp enough for my needs and that was at 20mm which is supposedly weak in the corners.


Mar 08, 2023 at 10:05 PM
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p.18 #16 · p.18 #16 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


My limited testing and particular needs may render theses findings irrelevant to many others, but I spent an hour or two yesterday and today comparing the 16-35 PZ to a new 20-70 . . . and the latter is on a FedEx truck heading back to B&H.

For context, I'm a hobbyist in landscape (mostly with tripod, but that's changing as camera/lens stabilization improves) and fully 85% of my "intimate landscape" stuff is done with the 70-200 II attached to my a7riii (and now, the v, which is spectacular) The wide end doesn't see enough acton to warrant huge expenditures, hefty lenses, fretting, etc.

I hoped the 20-70 would give me essentially a 2-lens solution (I do grab the 90mm macro occasionally), but after tests, the ZM beat out the newbie by a hair, and it, along with my trusty FE55 are, together, lighter than the Sigma 24-70 I also own, so . . . my choice was fairly clear. Obviously, most of you have wildly divergent styles and needs than I, so take all this with a large grain of salt.

Ron





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Mar 08, 2023 at 10:41 PM
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p.18 #17 · p.18 #17 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


Today was a good day, not sure if it was the new lens or just luck, but really enjoying this on my A7IV. A little bit of onion ring in the bokeh, but doesn’t bother me at all so far.



























Mar 08, 2023 at 10:41 PM
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Tarekith wrote:
Today was a good day, not sure if it was the new lens or just luck, but really enjoying this on my A7IV. A little bit of onion ring in the bokeh, but doesn’t bother me at all so far.

https://i.postimg.cc/W1hzw79F/Image-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/prRyQb7R/Image-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/FH8RWJqP/Image-3.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/6qcqYbJR/Image-4.jpg


Beautiful photos. Well done.



Mar 08, 2023 at 11:47 PM
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p.18 #19 · p.18 #19 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


Thanks! I admit, I'm still really new to photography and don't share my photos much, don't even have an instagram account. Nice to hear I'm not too out there with the stuff I like to capture.

I was SOOO close to pulling the trigger on the 24-70GMII recently, but knew the weight would get to me over time. I think Sony announced this new 20-70 on the same day I was ready to cave on the 24-70, and I'm so glad I waited. This new lens is perfect for someone like me who doesn't want to carry more than absolutely necessary.



Mar 09, 2023 at 12:53 AM
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p.18 #20 · p.18 #20 · Pre-order: Sony FE 20-70mm f/4 G Lens


Got out with the 20-70 for a few cityscape shots yesterday. This was shot at 20mm, corrected using the LR FE 16-35 PZ profile with distortion maximized plus some extra distortion correction manually.







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