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With Capture One ditching their purchase model, we have a last ditch offer to buy the last ever purchase version with an upgrade discount. (After that there may be a Loyalty offer, but they won't tell us what that is until the upgrade offer has been discontinued - not very transparent of them...)

But I'd be buying without it being officially having it certified for the R6 Mk2 and the (hopefully) rumoured R5 Mk2 because C-1 is never too fast with these things and of course the R52 isn't out.

So firstly, does the R6 and R6 Mk2 use exactly the same Raw file type (CR3) with the same sRaw file type. (ie can the current Raw processors work happily with the new R62 ?)

Would I be right in guessing that it is likely Canon would stick with the exact same Raw and sRaw file types, or do they change little things that screw up compatibility ?

Actually, does the R3 use the same as the R6 / R5 ?

I don't want to go down the rental offerings from Capture One, as I'm not likely to be upgrading software or camera for a long time. (This would hopefully be a purchase that would last a decade at least, to match a new camera and a Mac M1 / M2 style computer.)

To be honest, I'd only likely buy the R5 Mk2 if it had a significant faster sensor readout speed than the R5. Alas the timings of Capture One and their push to make us buy now is unfortunate. (I choose my words carefully )

If anyone has landed or tested Raw and sRaw of an R6 Mk2 on Capture One, that would be a great insight too.



Dec 06, 2022 at 07:32 PM
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leethecam wrote:
Loyalty offer, but they won't tell us what that is until the upgrade offer has been discontinued


full price + crapload of BS presets



Dec 06, 2022 at 07:55 PM
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leethecam wrote:
So firstly, does the R6 and R6 Mk2 use exactly the same Raw file type (CR3) with the same sRaw file type. (ie can the current Raw processors work happily with the new R62 ?)


they might check camera model tag inside a raw file and refuse to work w/ it , unless you exiftool the tag for example to an older model




Dec 06, 2022 at 07:57 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


R6mkII RAW files work great with the latest version of C1. No issues whatsoever.

I never shoot sRaw so not sure about those.



Dec 06, 2022 at 08:06 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


The current Canon cameras no longer shoot sRAW or mRAW. It's now called cRAW (or maybe CRAW). It's a full resolution raw file, but is lossy compressed to reduce file size.

leethecam wrote:
So firstly, does the R6 and R6 Mk2 use exactly the same Raw file type (CR3) with the same sRaw file type. (ie can the current Raw processors work happily with the new R62 ?)

exdeejjjaaaa wrote:
they might check camera model tag inside a raw file and refuse to work w/ it , unless you exiftool the tag for example to an older model


Exactly. Even though both shoot CR3 raw files, a camera released after your standalone version has received its last update won't be readable without workarounds. I know changing the exif tag has worked with some apps... but for example with the R6 and R6II, the new camera has a different resolution sensor and pretty certainly requires unique profiling for optimal results.

Does C1 work with DNG files? A brief browsing of their support suggests it does. One option for you might be to convert unsupported camera raw files to DNGs with Adobe's DNG converter. It sounds like if a camera is not natively supported by C1, it will apply a generic color profile to the DNG file. But you'll still be able to process the DNGs with C1.

In theory, this should allow you to continue to use C1 indefinitely. You will lose camera-specific profiles, but it will still work.

Where this is likely to eventually fail is computer OS support for standalone C1. Either your hardware will be too old for the latest OSes, holding back other apps you may need to update, but allowing you to continue using legacy apps, or your old hardware dies and forces a hardware update whose OS is no longer backwards compatible with your legacy apps.

This is kind of what I ran into. I hadn't bought a new camera since 2016 and was successfully using a 2010-era Mac with LR6, the last standalone (non-rental) version. If I needed to, I could work on files from newer cameras released after the last LR6 camera support update, by using DNG converter. But Adobe is a bit sneaky with DNG converter - support for the latest cameras is in the latest versions, and those seem to have fairly limited backwards compatibility with older OSes. And because my Mac was so old, I couldn't (and didn't want to anyway) update it far enough to retain DNG converter compatibility with the latest Canon mirrorless cameras.

Since I was planning to upgrade cameras anyway, it resulted in new computer hardware. And because I didn't want to do the DNG conversion route and not knowing how much longer LR6 would work on future OSes, I bit the bullet and am paying Adobe rent. I figured now that I'm in the middle of a big upheaval with new cameras and a new computer, I might as well update software too.

I probably could've found some decent used Mac hardware at OWC that would be new enough for a recent enough OS to use DNG converter with the latest cameras, be fast enough for some years still with 24-30MP files and allow me to continue using LR6 for some time still. But it would always be a balancing act keeping software supported and trying to maintain some degree of camera compatibility. Frankly, I wasn't keen on relying on DNG conversion just to keep using LR6.

IMO I'm going to pay one way or another. Trying to keep a specific configuration running as long as possible is just deferring the inevitable. And the longer it's deferred, it seems the larger the lump sum outlay is to overhaul the system. It could also cause workflow inefficiencies that cost in other ways, such as requiring more time to get something done. But only you know if that matters.



Dec 06, 2022 at 10:11 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


exdeejjjaaaa wrote:
full price + crapload of BS presets


i don't get it.
these companies provide all these features and sliders and tool palettes so that users can customize the look of their photos ad nauseum.
but then they also sell these presets that automate everything... and people actually buy them.



Dec 07, 2022 at 07:45 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


rscheffler wrote:
It could also cause workflow inefficiencies that cost in other ways, such as requiring more time to get something done. But only you know if that matters.


Speaking of inefficiencies... I just experienced something today with over 600 portraits shot on green screen. For years I processed these in LR6 by auto-masking the background manually and applying a preset to the client's preferred color. I basically had to brush in the mask, which maybe took 15 seconds.

Now that I'm paying Adobe rent and am using LRC12, it has an auto background selection option. I did that with one image, applied the preset to change the green screen color, then copy pasted it to the other ~600 images. Up popped a window telling me Adobe AI was working to apply the masks and it would take about 10 minutes. Amazing! That saved at least two hours of tedious work.

So yeah, I don't like the subscription models but at least in this case, there are helpful features added from time to time.



Dec 07, 2022 at 09:57 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


leethecam wrote:
If anyone has landed or tested Raw and sRaw of an R6 Mk2 on Capture One, that would be a great insight too.


The R6/2 has sRaw? I consider that doubtful, Canon backed away from that awful format a while ago. Would be shocked to see it coming back.



Dec 08, 2022 at 12:04 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


Don't know about capture one but my DXO 3 won't work on the R6 file and required the newer version. I just missed the sales for $150 and the regular price is $219....


Dec 08, 2022 at 02:08 AM
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terenceng wrote:
Don't know about capture one but my DXO 3 won't work on the R6 file and required the newer version. I just missed the sales for $150 and the regular price is $219....

I just got an email offer a day or two ago for 30% off any (two) DXO products I added. Maybe you got that email also?





Dec 08, 2022 at 10:02 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


Sorry my bad - I mistyped and meant cRaw.

It does seem that I'm going to have a problem if I wait for the R5-2. Even the announcement will come too late to secure the upgrade discount because C-1 are forcing customers to buy now or gamble with a product that may well be a turkey.

(Note: I'm only waiting for the R5-2 announcement to see if it will have a faster sensor readout speed. I'd be a be a bit annoyed if there's not much in that respect and I miss out on the soon ending upgrade program).

C-1 are really annoying a lot of customers with this strategy. They're acting like the double glazing salesmen we have here in the UK, who tell us we must buy today or else no discount. And no one likes a double glazing salesman.

The rental price of C-1 is crazy high. They'll keep some customers, but they'll lose a lot more. Whoever is in charge of their PR needs to be sacked.



Dec 08, 2022 at 04:04 PM
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rscheffler wrote:
So yeah, I don't like the subscription models but at least in this case, there are helpful features added from time to time.


and that have nothing to do w/ subscription model - that model is for the company to get paid w/ less effort to innovate ( because w/o it - if you don't make anything worth for people to buy then they don't buy - so you have to work hard first, get paid later - now it is vice versa, with a notable change that you even don't need to work hard at all)... now you have captive customers that pay you regardless




Dec 08, 2022 at 06:15 PM
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dj63401 wrote:
I just got an email offer a day or two ago for 30% off any (two) DXO products I added. Maybe you got that email also?



just wait till DxO bait and switch to subscription model



Dec 08, 2022 at 06:17 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


I got that email but that cost more as I have to purchase two to get the 30% off. Try


Dec 09, 2022 at 10:28 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


I have seen massively more improvements with LR since they went subscription based then before when you were locked into a standalone license. The last major update was huge.

People pay more on a daily basis for coffee then we pay for a month of LR + PS.



Dec 09, 2022 at 01:53 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


lighthound wrote:
I have seen massively more improvements with LR since they went subscription based then before when you were locked into a standalone license. The last major update was huge.

People pay more on a daily basis for coffee then we pay for a month of LR + PS.


I have seen more massive improvements before that ... consider when DCP profiles were introduced for example




Dec 09, 2022 at 03:12 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · R5, R6, R62, R52... Capture One


Next R5 will be out end of this year or some time 2024.


Feb 17, 2023 at 04:14 PM





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