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"2x/4x/8x digital tele-convertor"

Does anybody understand what this is? I must be misunderstanding it. Is this not the same as "digital zoom"; just cropping away pixels?


Judging from the R6II manual, you get a full-size JPEG that the camera has upscaled from a 2x/4x/8x crop. For the best end result, I'm fairly sure things like Topaz Gigapixel will do a better job. But if you want to use your camera as a scope to show something far off, this mode seems to be very useful, compared to using the magnifier tool.



Nov 29, 2022 at 02:28 AM
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It is ridiculous that they come out with the R5, a fantastic camera for wildlife, but expect people to go buy an (almost) 12 year old, 7+ lb EF 500mm II to pair with it. I understand that many already have this lens, but for those who don't, why would you pay $9000US for such an old, heavy lens that is as little as 61 months away from end of repairable life?

Fingers crossed!


I'm certain Canon doesn't "expect" people to buy the EF 500II to pair with the R5. They do however expect serious wildlifers to pony up and purchase the new RF 400, 600, 800 or even 1200 lenses they have offered.
Not to mention the much more affordable RF 100-400, 100-500, 600f/11 and 800f/11 options for wildlifers. And lets not forget Canon gave us the seamless ability to use a plethora of EF lenses to choose from, both OEM and third party.
4 years into the new RF mount, how can anyone feel like their photography is being held back with literally hundreds of lens options to chose from.

Being that the EF 500II is still in production, users have plenty of time before the 7 year service clock even begins to start ticking. There are lots of people that want to get out there right now and enjoy this hobby and setting around wasting their lives waiting for something that may never come is not very fun or fulfilling.

With that said, myself and others like yourself have been patiently waiting for a new RF 500 great white that is somewhat attainable by us mere mortals. No one knows if it will ever be offered though. But if it does, it's certain to be a MASSIVE advancement over the current EF version and the other RF great whites they have already released.

At this point after lusting for such a lens for so long, I have to keep asking myself if I really need it or is it more about severe GAS from all the anticipation.



Nov 29, 2022 at 10:34 AM
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There are no big advances in the long prime lenses...the sony, canon and now nikon offerings all perform just about the same, which is just about perfectly. What they have been able to do is to take quite a bit of weight out, and that is a big deal for those of us who like to handhold if possible. Obviously nikon has also added a tc to their new 600 which makes it just about the perfect wildlife lens imo...but it comes at a very steep premium, $3k more than the canon and sony current 600s...


Nov 29, 2022 at 10:39 AM
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cohenfive wrote:
There are no big advances in the long prime lenses...the sony, canon and now nikon offerings all perform just about the same, which is just about perfectly. What they have been able to do is to take quite a bit of weight out, and that is a big deal for those of us who like to handhold if possible. Obviously nikon has also added a tc to their new 600 which makes it just about the perfect wildlife lens imo...but it comes at a very steep premium, $3k more than the canon and sony current 600s...


Yes, weight and size reductions are the big improvements Canon has done for the Mark III versions of the 400 & 600 great whites. However the 500II never went through the Mark III Jenny Craig program and we have never seen a "true" RF great white yet. So it is with great hope that we will see a vastly new and improved RF 500 soon.

Although I would love to have a built in TC on this lens, I fear that that would drive the price into the stratosphere like Nikon did which would push it off the table for me personally. I can only justify so much on this hobby.



Nov 29, 2022 at 10:55 AM
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Most likely there won't be any improvement in the IQ department, since the old 500 is already a very good lens. The weight reduction is made with less magnesium and glass. Hence the lens will be more fragile, but with much better balance. And a huge price for being RF.


Nov 29, 2022 at 11:06 AM
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Uarctos wrote:
Most likely there won't be any improvement in the IQ department, since the old 500 is already a very good lens. The weight reduction is made with less magnesium and glass. Hence the lens will be more fragile, but with much better balance. And a huge price for being RF.


While I agree that the IQ likely couldn't be improved much over the stellar EF 500II, the amount of keepers would certainly increase simply by being a native RF lens with improved AF speed and accuracy. This was very noticeable to me when I switched from the EF 100-400II to the RF 100-500. Couple that with an expected huge weight reduction and smaller size and it will / would be a killer lens.

Edit: And to get the thread back on track, (sorry op) this RF 500 would pair very nicely with the R5II.



Nov 29, 2022 at 11:32 AM
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The readout speed of the R3 sensor must be shorter than 6ms, otherwise R3 would not be possible to obtain 195fps. If readout speed would be 6ms than max. frame rate would be in the range of 160 fps. The total time per frame at 195fps is 5.128ms and it includes readout time and exposure time.


Nov 29, 2022 at 12:21 PM
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lighthound wrote:
I'm certain Canon doesn't "expect" people to buy the EF 500II to pair with the R5. They do however expect serious wildlifers to pony up and purchase the new RF 400, 600, 800 or even 1200 lenses they have offered.
Not to mention the much more affordable RF 100-400, 100-500, 600f/11 and 800f/11 options for wildlifers. And lets not forget Canon gave us the seamless ability to use a plethora of EF lenses to choose from, both OEM and third party.
4 years into the new RF mount, how can anyone feel like their photography is being held back with
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Lighthound to the left of me! Lighthound to the right of me! Lighthound everwhere, but is it the same Lighthound, . Man, you left my head spinning. First you chide me for having an unfulfilled want and then you beautifully articulate the reasons why I (and many others) want a RF500mm.

To summarize (and then I will let it be):

I already have an EF 100-400 II and have no intention of buying an RF 100-500 (why? It would be a modest improvement at disproportionate cost)
I am reach-limited with my 100-400 and 1.4x TC
The 100-400 + 1.4x TC is f/8, making me light-limited at times in the golden hours and their edges
I am not getting any younger (in my 60s) and realize that, even with efforts to stay in shape, I am not going to fare well in the coming years lugging a 600mm around
I am not eating bread and water but also don't have unlimited money (and I have an understanding wife but there are limits to how far that goes!)
Packing gear for flying trips is always a challenge and would be more so with a huge (heavy and long) prime like the 600mm

Canon Rumors reported a CR2 a while back of a RF 500mm f/4.5 DO lens being tested in the wild. If such a lens were to be released, it is estimated it would be in the 4.5lbs range (compared to 7.02lb for the EF 500mm II). It would also be shorter than the EF 500mm II and would be notably shorter and more packable than the RF600mm.

The EF500mm II is $3000US cheaper than the 600mm. Thats about $4100CDN, and with taxes about $4600 less expensive. I suspect Canon would increase the cost of a new RF 500 but it would still be a lot cheaper than the 600mm. And being a 1/3 of a stop slower than the EF 500 II would also factor in on the other side of the equation (reducing price compared to a f/4, hopefully resulting in a smaller than otherwise overall increase in cost).

I too would absolutely love it if it had a 1.4x TC built in. It would be photography heaven for me and my genre and style of photography. The R5 (or R5 II) and such a lens would be a phenomenal combination!

Apologies to the OP for a bit of a tangent (not that those EVER happen on FM, )




Nov 29, 2022 at 12:46 PM
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EverLearning wrote:
Lighthound to the left of me! Lighthound to the right of me! Lighthound everwhere, but is it the same Lighthound, . Man, you left my head spinning. First you chide me for having an unfulfilled want and then you beautifully articulate the reasons why I (and many others) want a RF500mm.



Well.... I suppose I could be Bi-polar or sumthin.

Actually, I think I started out with the level headed, glass half full Dave then finished with the love struck, money is no object, bad GAS Dave.



Nov 29, 2022 at 12:56 PM
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I would like a 500 megapixel R5. Until then, I'm holding.


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EverLearning wrote:
Lighthound to the left of me! Lighthound to the right of me! Lighthound everwhere, but is it the same Lighthound, . Man, you left my head spinning. First you chide me for having an unfulfilled want and then you beautifully articulate the reasons why I (and many others) want a RF500mm.

To summarize (and then I will let it be):

I already have an EF 100-400 II and have no intention of buying an RF 100-500 (why? It would be a modest improvement at disproportionate cost)
I am reach-limited with my 100-400 and 1.4x TC
The 100-400 + 1.4x TC is f/8, making me
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The difference between the 100-400 IS II and the RF 100-500 is quite significant, more than what I am expecting from a 500/4 RF compared to the 500/4 IS II. Are you unhappy with your 500/4 IS II?

EBH



Nov 29, 2022 at 05:11 PM
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EverLearning wrote:
I already have an EF 100-400 II and have no intention of buying an RF 100-500 (why? It would be a modest improvement at disproportionate cost)
I am reach-limited with my 100-400 and 1.4x TC
The 100-400 + 1.4x TC is f/8, making me light-limited at times in the golden hours and their edges
I am not getting any younger (in my 60s) and realize that, even with efforts to stay in shape, I am not going to fare well in the coming years lugging a 600mm around



Oh man, if you can, rent the 100-500 + RF 1.4x for a weekend of wildlife shooting. I am 47 year old in a body that is another decade older, and have hardly ever used my 500 F4 after getting the 100-500. I also had the 100-400 II + 1.4x before, but the usability of this lens is a joy and it handles beautifully. The AF is pretty fantastic, that extra 100mm comes in very handy and it takes 1.4x (and 2x) really well. For handheld (and back carried) lenses, this is almost the perfect wildlife lens.

Yes, light pushing can be an issue, but with Topaz Denoise applied for the keepers that I really want, I can pretty much always get the shot I want.



Nov 29, 2022 at 06:17 PM
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I donít have a 500mm; v II or otherwise. At this point it makes sense for me to wait for the better, shorter and substantially lighter RF500mm. I like hiking and i like hand-holding my camera for wildlife. I use a mrjangear lens carrier to carry my gear when Iím not actively shooting. A light(ish) 500mm could be handholdsble for me for many years to come before i settle into the rocking chair.

EB-1 wrote:
The difference between the 100-400 IS II and the RF 100-500 is quite significant, more than what I am expecting from a 500/4 RF compared to the 500/4 IS II. Are you unhappy with your 500/4 IS II?

EBH




Nov 29, 2022 at 07:09 PM
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Oh man, if you can, rent the 100-500 + RF 1.4x for a weekend of wildlife shooting. I am 47 year old in a body that is another decade older, and have hardly ever used my 500 F4 after getting the 100-500. I also had the 100-400 II + 1.4x before, but the usability of this lens is a joy and it handles beautifully. The AF is pretty fantastic, that extra 100mm comes in very handy and it takes 1.4x (and 2x) really well. For handheld (and back carried) lenses, this is almost the perfect wildlife lens.

Yes, light pushing can
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I don't know about that. I recently got the 100-500 so I haven't had a lot of good shooting time in with it yet, but I can already tell it doesn't have the magic my 500 f/4 II has. I do agree that it's a fantastic lens and very much suited for clicking on critters and I love having 500mm the size and weight of my old EF 100-400. But... you have to work a lot harder finding just the right position to get the background to blow out for that smooth bokeh. And that's IF you have time to do so and the critter cooperates by being in a good spot.

I don't know if I could ever let go of my 500 for this new RF lens but I sure do love the size and weight. More quality time together is needed I suppose before I can rule out that idea completely. I can say already that if I would have had this lens back when I went to Alaska, I think my f/4 would have stayed home simply for the ease of transporting and hiking around with a nice tiny lens.



Nov 29, 2022 at 07:44 PM
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I found most of those specs very plausible. Canon needs a R5ii to address some of the R5 short-comings like over-heating, the inexplicably complicated switch between photo and video, newer generation AF, and other updates like EVF, vari-angle LCD, focus breathing tech, full-size HDMI to remain competitive vs Sony's new A7RV. Perhaps they can pull off improved DR as well?

Anyone thinking that a 60-ish MP camera won't have shortcomings in terms of sensor read-out speeds, rolling shutters, file-size, etc are kidding themselves.

Now, if Canon could finally add the on/off switch wrapped around the shutter button, I would be in heaven...



Nov 29, 2022 at 07:54 PM
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patotts wrote

Now, if Canon could finally add the on/off switch wrapped around the shutter button, I would be in heaven...


That would be too easy right? I couldn't think of a better place for that button. But knowing Canon engr, they would probably outsmart themselves.




Nov 29, 2022 at 10:20 PM
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While I'd like to see a higher MP R5-ish camera ó†for my own personal work ó a camera with specs like those mentioned here would be quite good, too. Imagine a R5 with all of its high-end performance and a 60MP sensor.


Nov 29, 2022 at 11:34 PM
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garyvot wrote:
Edit: according to a DPReview TV piece just published where they chose the R6II as the best wildlife camera under $3,000, the sensor readout speed is 18ms. This compares to 30.6ms for the R6: not quite twice as fast but close. The readout speed of the R3 sensor is something over 6ms, IIRC.


According to Duades video, the readout speed of the R6 was 19.7ms, not 30.6ms. It showed the R7 at 31.3ms, and the R5 at 15.5ms.

If the R6II is 18ms, it's only 9% faster than the R6.

Mikica wrote:
The readout speed of the R3 sensor must be shorter than 6ms, otherwise R3 would not be possible to obtain 195fps. If readout speed would be 6ms than max. frame rate would be in the range of 160 fps. The total time per frame at 195fps is 5.128ms and it includes readout time and exposure time.


Duades video showed the R3 at 5.5ms. I'm not sure where exactly he got this info from though...



Nov 30, 2022 at 12:42 AM
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I'm looking forward to the R5II. I just hope the larger sensor doesn't negate any gains in readout speed. I would much rather have a 45mp sensor with less rolling shutter than a 60mp sensor with the same amount, but as long as it's not worse than the R5 I will likely be ordering one...


Nov 30, 2022 at 12:49 AM
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Depends on the use case (and shoulder muscles ), but for handholding, the 100-500 just ends up being pretty remarkable.

The 500 produces better images, but I miss many images with 500 that I can get with 100-500. Alaska (Katmai) is my main target , so that makes a difference also I took 500 with me in the last 3 trips and only used it in 1.



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I don't know about that. I recently got the 100-500 so I haven't had a lot of good shooting time in with it yet, but I can already tell it doesn't have the magic my 500 f/4 II has. I do agree that it's a fantastic lens and very much suited for clicking on critters and I love having 500mm the size and weight of my old EF 100-400. But... you have to work a lot harder finding just the right position to get the background to blow out for that smooth bokeh. And that's IF you have time to
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