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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Debating switch to mirrorless after a stroke ...


I am a long time user of various itterations of the 1D series DSLRs. My latest favorite body was the 1DXII. Unfortunately my dog recently grabbed my camera strap and ran through the house trailing and breaking the 1DX. In addition, I have had two strokes in the past year and a half and have lost a lot of use of my left arm and sight in my dominant eye that I have always used for taking pictures (this happened right after the broken 1DX). Lately I have been shooting with a 7D I had as a back up camera and really hate it. So my dilemma is this - do I get a 1DX III or an R3. I have done a lot of sports and wildlife shooting and love having the speed and durability of the 1D DSLR series (I have owned and shot professionally with the D series since the first one came out and have had about 5 various iterations of the series). Frankly I am not sure I will ever be capable of hand holding a camera again not on a tripod so weight isn't as big of an issue as you would think (I can't raise my left arm to vertical or lift anything, but I have developed a system for getting my gear on/off the tripod alone). My biggest qualm is I have a lot of top quality glass that I could never afford to switch out, including an 800 mm 5.6 L lens. So, assuming I need to stick with my old lens and a converter, am I better off with a 1DX series or is it still worth it to make the switch to mirrorless? FWIW given the loss of eye sight in my dominant eye better autofocus would be best, but would using an EF lens and converter negate the autofocus advantages of the mirrrorless R3?

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Nov 24, 2022 at 06:02 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Debating switch to mirrorless after a stroke ...


You can use almost any EF lenses, with some limitations. Get one or more of the Canon adapters and they will simply fit tightly and work properly.
The R3 has a fast sensor readout so the ES can be used practically all the time and the FPS limitation of the older EF lenses is not an issue.

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Nov 24, 2022 at 06:27 PM
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The EF lenses work with the exact same AF system used for RF lenses on the R3. You will get all the benefits of the camera's focus system. They often work better with the RF cameras than they did on DSLRs because of this.

Unlike on the other systems, the Canon RF bodies natively speak the EF protocol. So the lens adapter is a passthrough and there is no reduction in AF performance vs. the DSLRs. Also, all the autofocus features (such as eye detection, tracking and so on) are fully supported on EF lenses just as they are with RF lenses.

As alluded to, some of the EF lenses don't support the fastest mechanical shutter mode (although many of them do, with older ones being less likely to), but electronic shutter always delivers the maximum number of frames per second.

Also, as you probably know, there are no optics in the EF-RF converter; it just compensates for the shorter flange distance. Your glass will be as good as ever. Hope you get some great pictures.



Nov 24, 2022 at 06:56 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Debating switch to mirrorless after a stroke ...


Thanks so much. You answered some of the issues I just wasn't sure about. I know I won't be able to come back and shoot professionally like I used to, but I still want the ability to enjoy taking pictures within my limitations.


Nov 24, 2022 at 07:56 PM
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I donít really see any advantage or disadvantage to mirrorless for working on a tripod. The new SLR have all the mirrorless features when working from the rear screen in live view.

Iíd get whatever is the best deal.



Nov 24, 2022 at 08:21 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Debating switch to mirrorless after a stroke ...


If you're not going to be shooting professionally, what will you be photographing for personal enjoyment?

In some respects, our Canon digital journey has been similar. I started digital with the original 1D and have always only used 1D series cameras. I tried various other Canon DSLRs over the years, including the 7DII, and didn't really like them, in part because none were as responsive as a 1D series camera.

Since September I have borrowed from Canon Canada, through the CPS program, the R3, 5, 6 and 7 (though not all at once or even with much overlap) to determine how I will transition to mirrorless. What these tests revealed to me was that all of the cameras (less so the R7), were as good or better than the 1DXII in respect to AF performance when photographing events and sports. Particularly, AF precision and consistency shot to shot was a lot better in the mirrorless cameras.

Before this I was almost certain that I'd be getting the R3 because it is the closest currently available from Canon to a 1D series camera. But the R5 and R6 were revelations in how 'good enough' they were for my needs, which over the years as steadily shifted from primarily sports to primarily non-sports events. I did thoroughly enjoy the R3 and would have zero qualms about using one for everything I do. But... for the price of the R3, I can get an R5 or R6 and at least an RF lens, or maybe two, and still be happy with the camera (I've fallen for the 28-70/2 and will spend less on the body to be able to get one of these sooner than later). And the camera I've spent the most time with is the R6. In respect to AF, it's a match and an improvement over the 1DXII and obviously performs well above its price point. Other physical aspects of the R6 don't match the 1D or R3 level and are clearly designed to its price point. So it's a bit of a tradeoff in this respect. But after decades with 1D cameras, I really appreciate the smaller size and much lighter weight, which means I'll take it along more often when I otherwise wouldn't want to lug a 1D body.

So for me, I've decided to get the R6 Mark II for the newer AF system implementation found in the R3 and R7, better battery life and other refinements over the R6. I actually felt the R5 was the best compromise but will wait for its successor.

As tkbslc suggests, if you'll be primarily working from a tripod, and if it's a DSLR in live view, you'll get a similar experience, though not quite as refined as the mirrorless cameras. It's when you're working through the viewfinder that IMO mirrorless AF performance pulls ahead of traditional DSLR AF capabilities.



Nov 24, 2022 at 09:24 PM
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Thanks. I will mostly shoot wildlife work if I can - I have my wildlife pictures in several galleries and they sell fairly well (even with the dreaded 7D ). I was also just asked to shoot an editorial spread (of dogs) for a major magazine and would like to try and see if I can do it. I won't be able to do sports work anymore because of my limitations, but I would like to have the freedom to dabble and just do some for fun and friends. And FWIW I was also recently diagnosed with ALS so this is a short term deal likely to only last a few years at best. Not saying that for sympathy, but to help explain why I just want to stick with the lens I have and not make a major switch other than to replace my broken 1Dx II body. I have always been well served by the 1D series and might just see if I can pick up a used 1DX III and go with that. I know I should probably just give it up, but it's hard to let go.


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finnskeeper wrote:
Thanks. I will mostly shoot wildlife work if I can - I have my wildlife pictures in several galleries and they sell fairly well (even with the dreaded 7D ). I was also just asked to shoot an editorial spread (of dogs) for a major magazine and would like to try and see if I can do it. I won't be able to do sports work anymore because of my limitations, but I would like to have the freedom to dabble and just do some for fun and friends. And FWIW I was also recently diagnosed with ALS so this
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NEVER give up. Consider a R5. Similar size to the 7D.



Nov 25, 2022 at 07:05 AM
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I have stayed with all the Canon dslr's. All my lenses are Canon(EF). They all work in unison perfectly. While all the new mirrorless bodies look and sound great, I am retired, on a fixed income and the cost outweighs the results. I am VERY happy with my Canon DSLRs>
Graduated from TSC not TSU!
Dan



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Finnskeeper,

A used 1DX III could be a very good choice, though i might give serious consideration to a slightly used R3, or even a slightly used R5 for their superior AF abilities, they are far superior to any 1DX series big time, and work perfectly with the Ef-Rf adapters. I might even consider the new R6 II, as you are used to the 20 megapixel range, and i have loved my R6, and will probably upgrade it to the version II soonish.

Do not give up, a waste of years of knowledge, that would be a shame. I am sorry life has thrown you some curve balls, it happens. Good luck whatever you decide.

Regards

Brian



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macentropist wrote:

Finnskeeper,

A used 1DX III could be a very good choice, though i might give serious consideration to a slightly used R3, or even a slightly used R5 for their superior AF abilities, they are far superior to any 1DX series big time, and work perfectly with the Ef-Rf adapters. I might even consider the new R6 II, as you are used to the 20 megapixel range, and i have loved my R6, and will probably upgrade it to the version II soonish.

Do not give up, a waste of years of knowledge, that would be a shame. I am sorry
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It has become its challeges Brian! Despite all the preventatuve measurers !
I am using 5DSR and 1dx and they seem to be ok.
Do I wish I could keep up with the Technology" Sure! But being retired has it faults. Despite 401k portfolios! IMHO..once you are over 67..you are a negatve!
Thanks!
Dan



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Danpbphoto wrote:
It has become its challeges Brian! Despite all the preventatuve measurers !
I am using 5DSR and 1dx and they seem to be ok.
Do I wish I could keep up with the Technology" Sure! But being retired has it faults. Despite 401k portfolios! IMHO..once you are over 67..you are a negatve!
Thanks!
Dan


Dan,
I too am retired on a fixed budget (i am 66.5 years), but i will persevere with my photography till i am 6 feet under, i also manage a photo club in the Chicagoland area where i derive great pleasure as a mentor. I still have my beloved Canon 5D MK III, and a collection of EF lenses, which adapt nicely to my R6, which i am very fond of ❤️, and my RF lens collection is growing albeit slowly. I ❤️ the RF 85mm f1.2, it is the best lens i have ever owned. YMMV

I disagree, as many of my film negatives still float my boat, as I have been using Canon bodies since the EF/EOS change in 1987. I still have that first body, and it still works, so you and i are far from negatives!

Regards

Brian



Nov 25, 2022 at 03:47 PM
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Iím very sorry for your new curveballs but thank heavens that you have your wits, can do attitude and extensive knowledge . I had the same camera journey and all I can say is that the R3 is such a joy to use, coming from the 1DxII. While I like the R5, I miss not having the extra custom buttons that I always used on the 1D bodies and now on the R3. The R3 also gives you more control on subject and eye tracking, the viewfinder is brighter, the AF is more responsive, the back buttons are easier to reach, and the batteries are the same. The AF menu is a slight learning curve but really not that difficult if you watch Rudy from Canon and the Whistling Wings channel. Since time is of the essence and because you deserve to be stoked, I would not wait or settle for your 2nd choice. The one caveat, however, is flash. With ML 30/20 fps, fill flash using E-TTL w/HSS appears to be an issue which Iím just discovering and still trying to sort out.


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ChrisHA wrote:
Iím very sorry for your new curveballs but thank heavens that you have your wits, can do attitude and extensive knowledge . I had the same camera journey and all I can say is that the R3 is such a joy to use, coming from the 1DxII. While I like the R5, I miss not having the extra custom buttons that I always used on the 1D bodies and now on the R3. The R3 also gives you more control on subject and eye tracking, the viewfinder is brighter, the AF is more responsive, the back buttons are easier to
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As my fellow Hawaiian Chris (mahalo bruh) states, R3 is a gem, though i have only used one for a day, i loved it, and what others have yet to state, and is a huge feature, it has a stacked sensor, so no rolling shutter problems in hi speed electronic mode! And the throughput and read/write speeds are incredible, you would be hard pressed to fill the buffer, even with full Raw captures! The autofocus is simply the best in any mirrorless body today!

One more benefit, they are in stock everywhere today, have one by Monday! I would definitely recommend the cheaper EF-RF adapter, as the more expensive iteration is wasted $$$.

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Regards

Brian



Nov 25, 2022 at 09:16 PM
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finnskeeper wrote:
Thanks. I will mostly shoot wildlife work if I can - I have my wildlife pictures in several galleries and they sell fairly well (even with the dreaded 7D ). I was also just asked to shoot an editorial spread (of dogs) for a major magazine and would like to try and see if I can do it. I won't be able to do sports work anymore because of my limitations, but I would like to have the freedom to dabble and just do some for fun and friends. And FWIW I was also recently diagnosed with ALS so this
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What lenses do you have? Might be worth listing out. If you use electronic shutter mode on an R3 and shoot wide open, you'll get near the 30fps it claims with most EF lenses. But in Mechanical shutter mode the 1DXIII can actually drive some of them slightly faster I think. This is at least true of the R5 and R6 compared to the 1D series bodies.

Mostly if you have the vII or newer EF lenses its a non issue. And it may be a non issue anyway as the Electronic shutter mode on the R3 is free from rolling shutter. But I thought I'd bring it up.

But if you're relying on AF accuracy more, and at a deficit with dexterity, having a camera that can find and follow an eye, animal or car for you is probably worth losing a few frames per second anyway, if you even have to lose them!

_Brian




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macentropist wrote:
Dan,
I too am retired on a fixed budget (i am 66.5 years), but i will persevere with my photography till i am 6 feet under, i also manage a photo club in the Chicagoland area where i derive great pleasure as a mentor. I still have my beloved Canon 5D MK III, and a collection of EF lenses, which adapt nicely to my R6, which i am very fond of ❤️, and my RF lens collection is growing albeit slowly. I ❤️ the RF 85mm f1.2, it is the best lens i have ever owned. YMMV

I disagree, as many of
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Thanks Brian!
I still have my film Canon TLb.
Keep up yur mentoring! No finer attribute!
Dan




Nov 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM
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I second the sentiment that the EF lenses work great with the Canon adapters. I'm on my second Canon mirrorless and just put it up for sale to pursue my third!! I have the basic $99 Canon adapter and it works great, even with the Sigma 600mm zoom I purchased for it AFTER owning the R. That's right ... I purchased, brand new, a non-canon EF mount lens and the adapter AFTER buying my SECOND R mount camera. THAT is how confident and satisifed I am with how the adapter operates. Save your money and skip the control ring adapter, especially since you mentioned limited abilities becasue of your stroke.


Nov 26, 2022 at 03:22 PM
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finnskeeper wrote:
Thanks. I will mostly shoot wildlife work if I can - I have my wildlife pictures in several galleries and they sell fairly well (even with the dreaded 7D ). I was also just asked to shoot an editorial spread (of dogs) for a major magazine and would like to try and see if I can do it. I won't be able to do sports work anymore because of my limitations, but I would like to have the freedom to dabble and just do some for fun and friends. And FWIW I was also recently diagnosed with ALS so this
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Thanks for the additional background info. From my recent experiences with aging elderly relatives, if you can keep focus on positives in your life and maintain a positive outlook, despite your health challenges, you'll do better in the long run, even if that run isn't as long as you might have hoped.

If you're a CPS member you should inquire about a mirrorless loaner to try out. I'd suggest the R5 since it wouldn't be much different in price from a used 1DXIII. I was quite impressed by it and the higher resolution might benefit your printing. If you find you don't like it, then get the R3 because it will be the near equivalent of your 1DXII in respect to overall handling.

So far I've mostly used my EF lenses with the mirrorless cameras I've tested and have been happy with them. The biggest tradeoff is lower fps continuous shooting with older lenses (like my EF135L and 70-200/4L IS). But you'll gain much more consistent AF performance along with the versatility of eye/face/subject detection and tracking capabilities (IMO the usefulness of this capability can't be overstated). And I believe that eye tracking capability is also possible with many different types of animals. For example RobAmy here on this board has posted numerous excellent photos of his dogs in action shot with the R3, but also I think the R5... and others have also posted a lot of bird/wildlife work with the mirrorless cameras.

As a long-time DSLR user, I'll reiterate that while the 1DXII has served me very well since 2016, it hasn't been perfect in respect to AF performance. It was best in class for Canon at that time, but mirrorless has surpassed it. For example, with my 200-400, the 1DXII would create many acceptably focused images, but ones that were often just slightly not absolutely critically sharp (because the ones that were, were noticeable). After thousands of frames with mirrorless cameras the past couple months, I've seen much less of this effect, particularly in lower light situations. I just shot ~5000 frames on the R6 & 200-400 combo at a youth hockey tournament and the focus was spot on for a higher percentage of images than what I've ever experienced with the 1DXII.



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