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Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

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p.53 #1 · p.53 #1 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

tsdevine wrote:
Meh...I used Imaging Edge.....definitely wouldn't be my first choice (or second, or third...)

Yea not a fan favorite either.

Dec 28, 2022 at 10:02 AM

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p.53 #2 · p.53 #2 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

Also, that shot was taken at f/13. Imagine a less diffracted shot.

Dec 28, 2022 at 11:16 AM

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p.53 #3 · p.53 #3 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

The resolution is definitely improved in some areas. The file is getting big though (as expected). I wonder when it's useful to use the pixel shift. For very large photo prints maybe ?
I never used it on the A7RIII but will test it too in the A7RV. It might be possible to use it handheld now.

Dec 28, 2022 at 11:53 AM

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p.53 #4 · p.53 #4 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

I’m skeptical of being able to handhold and using the 16 shot mode.

Fboss wrote:
The resolution is definitely improved in some areas. The file is getting big though (as expected). I wonder when it's useful to use the pixel shift. For very large photo prints maybe ?
I never used it on the A7RIII but will test it too in the A7RV. It might be possible to use it handheld now.

Dec 28, 2022 at 12:05 PM

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p.53 #5 · p.53 #5 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

I picked up the five a few days ago and it’s a big jump from 7R3 in terms of AF. As a hobbyist, it’s probably not that great of a jump in terms of IQ over the three. Back screen and EVF are both substantial upgrades (I still wish they let you seamlessly and wirelessly tether to an iPad). I think it’s worth mentioning that 7R5 is capable of tracking a subject continuously in video without using touch. That’s a big new feature.

Dec 28, 2022 at 01:48 PM

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p.53 #6 · p.53 #6 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

Never had an R version. A9, A9ii, A7C, A1. Sold my A1 right before the price drops thankfully. At the time I didn't think I had the need for a 5500 camera. Don't get me wrong. A1 is an awesome beast and I had zero complaints. I would think the R5 focus system won't be as quick as the stacked sensors but for anyone that has used both, how close is it? I felt the A7C had some quick tracking...is it more like that than the stacked?

Dec 28, 2022 at 10:38 PM

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p.53 #7 · p.53 #7 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

So you don't have to use the Imaging Edge Editor. You can process the pixel shift files in Imaging Edge Viewer, checking the motion box. That produces an ARQ file. Then you can convert it into a DNG using PixelShift2DNG. I don't think PixelShift2DNG fully supports the a7R V file, as it leaves a streaked border around the image. If you crop to 12672 x 19008, later in the process, you get the same full image without that streaked border. You can run it through Lightroom or any editor that supports linear DNG. Sharpening with Topaz Sharpen AI produces a fantastically detailed image. Absolutely gorgeous.

This, to me, is one of the killer features of the a7R V for landscape photography.

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Yea not a fan favorite either.

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Dec 29, 2022 at 08:24 AM

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p.53 #8 · p.53 #8 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

FYI, this is also available on the A1.

tsdevine wrote:
So you don't have to use the Imaging Edge Editor. You can process the pixel shift files in Imaging Edge Viewer, checking the motion box. That produces an ARQ file. Then you can convert it into a DNG using PixelShift2DNG. I don't think PixelShift2DNG fully supports the a7R V file, as it leaves a streaked border around the image. If you crop to 12672 x 19008, you get the same full image without that streaked border. Then you can run it through Lightroom or any editor that supports linear DNG. Sharpening with Topaz Sharpen AI produces a fantastically detailed image....Show more →

Dec 29, 2022 at 08:30 AM

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p.53 #9 · p.53 #9 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

Yes, I'm curious whether the new IBIS mechanism has more precision than the one in the a1. But the motion detection/handling is available for the a1.

Jesse Evans wrote:
FYI, this is also available on the A1.

Dec 29, 2022 at 08:37 AM

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p.53 #10 · p.53 #10 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

I may try this today as im setting up. BTW I actually bought 2 ProGrade 160 and stupid me I sent one back home.

im in C1 and I think I can do linear DNG.
It was a extra anyway

Dec 29, 2022 at 10:18 AM

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p.53 #11 · p.53 #11 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

Got mine last night. Didn't have time to play a lot since it was dark already. But everything feels a lot faster than with the A7RIII.

dpreview has updated their initial review and added the test scene :
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a7rv-initial-review

I'm surprised to see more noise at ISO > 1600 vs the A7RIV. I thought it was slightly improved, according to some reviewers.

Dec 29, 2022 at 04:30 PM

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p.53 #12 · p.53 #12 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

Fboss wrote:
Got mine last night. Didn't have time to play a lot since it was dark already. But everything feels a lot faster than with the A7RIII.

dpreview has updated their initial review and added the test scene :
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-a7rv-initial-review

I'm surprised to see more noise at ISO > 1600 vs the A7RIV. I thought it was slightly improved, according to some reviewers.

Looking at their Studio shot, the A7R5 is nearly equal to the A7RIV at higher ISO's with, perhaps, slightly less noise.

What is really interesting is that A1 has even slightly less noise than either of those cameras. This is with their view mode set to Print (same object size) in order to level the playing field.

Dec 29, 2022 at 04:48 PM

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p.53 #13 · p.53 #13 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

And I just realized that Lightroom supports ARQ files, so you can avoid the PixelShift2DNG step for those that use it.

So it's super easy if using the Adobe suite. Open the first file in Sony Imaging Edge Viewer, tell it to process the pixel shift files, take the output in to LR.

tsdevine wrote:
So you don't have to use the Imaging Edge Editor. You can process the pixel shift files in Imaging Edge Viewer, checking the motion box. That produces an ARQ file. Then you can convert it into a DNG using PixelShift2DNG. I don't think PixelShift2DNG fully supports the a7R V file, as it leaves a streaked border around the image. If you crop to 12672 x 19008, later in the process, you get the same full image without that streaked border. You can run it through Lightroom or any editor that supports linear DNG. Sharpening with Topaz Sharpen AI produces a...Show more →

Dec 31, 2022 at 07:58 AM

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p.53 #14 · p.53 #14 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

I wonder if C1 can see the ARQ. If that's the case we may not lose the lens profile

Dec 31, 2022 at 09:55 AM

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p.53 #15 · p.53 #15 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

tsdevine wrote:
And I just realized that Lightroom supports ARQ files, so you can avoid the PixelShift2DNG step for those that use it.

So it's super easy if using the Adobe suite. Open the first file in Sony Imaging Edge Viewer, tell it to process the pixel shift files, take the output in to LR.

Right, I noticed the same and was going to ask on the forum if there was any advantage to using PixelShift2DNG now. I converted a 4 image version via each method. The ARQ from Sony shows more information on one side of the frame and the DNG version shows more on the other, but they are very close. I had to apply positive exposure compensation to the DNG to match the ARQ, but I didn't see a noise difference.

Dec 31, 2022 at 05:44 PM

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p.53 #16 · p.53 #16 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

You mean you used the Sony viewer to create the ARQ file, then tried PixelShift2DNG->Lightroom vs just opening the ARQ directly in Lightroom?

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Right, I noticed the same and was going to ask on the forum if there was any advantage to using PixelShift2DNG now. I converted a 4 image version via each method. The ARQ from Sony shows more information on one side of the frame and the DNG version shows more on the other, but they are very close. I had to apply positive exposure compensation to the DNG to match the ARQ, but I didn't see a noise difference.

Dec 31, 2022 at 05:47 PM

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p.53 #17 · p.53 #17 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

tsdevine wrote:
You mean you used the Sony viewer to create the ARQ file, then tried PixelShift2DNG->Lightroom vs just opening the ARQ directly in Lightroom?

I used each program separately to process the ARW files. Sony created an ARQ and PixelShift2DNG a DNG. I then compared the two in ACR.

Jan 01, 2023 at 07:27 AM

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p.53 #18 · p.53 #18 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

I'm thinking with the a1 and a7R V the new stabilize feature of the Sony software is hard to pass up, not that I've compared shots to where I have it turned off in the Sony viewer, or use PixelShift2DNG. I was only using PixelShift2DNG to convert the ARQ file out of the Sony viewer to DNG. (Which since I use Lightroom isn't a needed step now that I figured out Lightroom opens ARQ files directly.)

ketang wrote:
I used each program separately to process the ARW files. Sony created an ARQ and PixelShift2DNG a DNG. I then compared the two in ACR.

Jan 01, 2023 at 07:30 AM

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p.53 #19 · p.53 #19 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

I’ve been thrilled with the new stabilisation, Ive yet to see any artefacts in outdoor images on a tripod, whereas I found the shift of the r4 unusable outdoors on a tripod. The IQ is exquisite, perfect colour (especially notifiable in images largely red or blue) and better resolution due to no demosaicing. And it’s nice to have an IQ based excuse to use a tripod, to play out my large format fantasies…

No, there’s no reason to pixelshifttoDNG if you are using Lightroom. Especially as the ARQs are not over sharpened out of imaging edge as they once were. The ARQ files are great. Genuinely raw, but also not needing demosaicing. How is that possible? Because pixel shift gives true colour at each pixel, so there’s no demosaicing to do!

Jan 01, 2023 at 08:28 AM

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p.53 #20 · p.53 #20 · Official: Sony A7R V announced (pre-orders now available)

For those that use DxO (either PL or PR), they now support the a7R V. One thing to note, PR didn't show any update being available. But I redownloaded PR and installed it (on my MBP) and it processes a7R V files. Not sure why the check for updates in the app didn't work.

Jan 11, 2023 at 09:17 AM

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