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p.3 #1 · p.3 #1 · WARNING - do not sell your cameras or lenses on eBay!!!


since we're bringing up FM B&S boards here...i personally finding it quite annoying that there is a growing list of FS posts have that asks to pay with PayPal FF option to circumvent taxes/fees when there is a sticky on top of the board to *never* use FF option! give me a price with the fees included and don't ask me to use FF...i'm sorry your number of good feedback on the forum is irrelevant; that GS option is there for the buyer _and_ seller protection.


Oct 22, 2022 at 06:49 AM
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timgangloff wrote:
Off topic, but my experience with a high end laptop on FB Marketplace was horrendous. About 15 or 20 scammers trying to get the laptop but none willing to do a personal meetup at my local gym next to the police station.... Maybe for low value items or high value with a personal meetup at a safe location for buyer and seller, but never with a shipping situation. Never.

Maybe best idea to avoid this kind of scam, absent meeting with the seller, is to take the item to your local fedex or usps facility and let their CCTV's record
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Really sorry for the OPís experience, as itís obviously a significant loss. I agree with Timís advice above. Iíve slowed down my buying and selling lately, but for the past couple years, whenever I do sell something greater than $2,000 in value, I take it to the FedEx store and let them pack and box it. That ensures that Iíve complied with their standard of packaging in case of a loss claim, and I can take a photo/video of the clerk taking possession of the item. I always insure for full replacement value, which though expensive, it worth my peace of mind.

With the increased risk of loss due to the incidence of shipping delays, missing packages and fraud, I might just consider taking less for my used gear and driving to a dealer for in-person trade in or sale.

Of course, none of this helps the OP in this unfortunate case, but hopefully can be useful to someone else.



Oct 22, 2022 at 08:18 AM
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Betacamman wrote:
An overseas seller tried to defraud me on eBay a few years back. But the package took so long to get to me that it exceeded the promised date of delivery by enough that eBay gave me my money back.

So when the package finally arrived, I got a free bag of rice!


you're skipping on the important details, friend: what kind of rice is it? and is it any good?

going back to the topic at hand. it's unfortunate that this happened to OP, but it's partly his fault for not insuring it to the proper amount. to be fair with OP, i know it's tempting to print packaging label on eBay since they're generally cheaper and convenient...as a seller i use it too...but if eBay doesn't insure more than the value of the item, don't use eBay to print shipping labels.

furthermore, as one poster noted, the buyer may not necessarily be the one who committed the crime. this is why it's important that any transactions dealt only should ensure there is enough coverage for the buyer and seller. the high number of positive feedback is great, but it should not be a reason forego insurance.

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one other thing about that's getting quite alarming here on B&S here on FM. those people (i think these are storefront disguising as members of FM) who are selling "new" items that are far below MSRP (usually guilty of that "net to me" price nonsense). i actually asked one of them about the manufacturer's warranty and was answered with "There is no warranty on these, but I do guarantee them to be as described." so basically just be aware that while these are new (or so claimed by the seller)...you're at the risk of buying items that's essentially grey market or worse...as you cannot avail OEM warranty if you need it.



Oct 22, 2022 at 09:11 AM
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DaveFP wrote:
Any link to guidelines regarding selling on FM?


What more do you need, besides common sense?



Oct 23, 2022 at 09:43 AM
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molson wrote:
What more do you need, besides common sense?


What makes you think I have common sense?

Most people don't.






Oct 23, 2022 at 09:44 AM
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dalegaspi wrote:
one other thing about that's getting quite alarming here on B&S here on FM. those people (i think these are storefront disguising as members of FM) who are selling "new" items that are far below MSRP (usually guilty of that "net to me" price nonsense). i actually asked one of them about the manufacturer's warranty and was answered with "There is no warranty on these, but I do guarantee them to be as described." so basically just be aware that while these are new (or so claimed by the seller)...you're at the risk of buying items that's essentially grey market
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You should probably not buy items here if you don't understand the difference between private sales and retail store sales.



Oct 23, 2022 at 09:47 AM
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molson wrote:
You should probably not buy items here if you don't understand the difference between private sales and retail store sales.


there are posts here where the seller literally bought it from an official store but instead of returning it (due to high demand of the item), they sell on FM. the one i mentioned is somewhat different. they would claim to have some receipt on your name...but no warranty...what is that then? yeah i get it, it's a gamble. but i don't think a lot of people understand that.



Oct 23, 2022 at 12:10 PM
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I had used Ebay since like 2000 as they got bigger they cared less and less about the seller. Today you could not pay me to sell something on Ebay. They did nothing for me on a similar scam years ago. Absolutely the worst company for customer service for sellers.


Oct 23, 2022 at 02:07 PM
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eBay is the worst place to sell high value stuff. The buyer can break your item and demand a refund I had this happen to me and that was the end of my business there. The company has been going down hard an are trying for to make up by charging all kinds of hidden feesÖ itís good for buying a $5 screw that no one else has but thatís about it

I use FM and local listings for selling my gear. Never had an issue

I also never ship with UPS only FedEx which lets me insure with no limit and have handled claims super easy and smoothly in the past. I know the local store manager who takes care of me

As others mentioned memberís history and feedback on this website is the best insurance that you are dealing with an honest and respectable individual. The scammers and crooks will not be able to fake FM feedback.

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Oct 23, 2022 at 02:21 PM
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I sold a telephoto lens on eBay. The buyer actually signed for the package, then reported to eBay that he did not receive it. Guess what, I lost $900 bucks. Unbelievable.


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dalegaspi wrote:
you're skipping on the important details, friend: what kind of rice is it? and is it any good?


Jasmine rice, which isn't really my thing. I gave it to a neighbor, and they didn't die, so I'll take that as a good sign.



Oct 23, 2022 at 03:35 PM
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speedmaster20d wrote:
eBay is the worst place to sell high value stuff. The buyer can break your item and demand a refund I had this happen to me and that was the end of my business there. The company has been going down hard an are trying for to make up by charging all kinds of hidden feesÖ itís good for buying a $5 screw that no one else has but thatís about it

I use FM and local listings for selling my gear. Never had an issue

I also never ship with UPS only FedEx which lets me insure with no
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No respectable member is going to screw you over. At least I will never do that but I have morals and ethics and so do a lot of good members here. Again you may not get the best price either way on a buy or sell but you know it will be at your door safe and sound unless itís a carrier issue. Seriously let me be blunt donít screw around with eBay itís like going to a bad neighborhood and expecting a miracle.



Oct 23, 2022 at 04:21 PM
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As mentioned use common sense


Oct 23, 2022 at 04:29 PM
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I've encountered shady sellers on FM buy and sell, but I've also had excellent experiences. Most FM'ers have been excellent to deal with, both as a buyer and a seller.

I've also been screwed over by a long-established bricks-and-mortar store, and I've been screwed over a couple times by people selling me a lens through the classifieds that I picked up in person; more fool me for not noticing the issues on the spot.

On eBay, I've been screwed over as a buyer a few times, but never (yet) as a seller. I always got back every penny (but sometimes it took a fair bit of effort).

You're probably noticing the trend... Cheaters and dirt bags exist in every kind of marketplace.

I'm not a business but I've sold lots of camera gear on eBay. The enormous reach of eBay is tough to beat. Everything sells eventually on eBay if you set the price right.

I'm sure one of these days I will have a bad experience on eBay as a seller, like the ones people are writing about here. It seems inevitable. I'm just glad I'm not selling things for a living. It's not fun out there for retailers.




Oct 23, 2022 at 04:49 PM
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I've got over 2000 positive experiences on eBay and only about half a dozen that ever needed to be arbitrated (all in my favor!) and either had the products replaced or refunded.

One does need to be cognizant of the seller's rating and number of transactions -- don't be an idiot.

But if you do your homework (including here at FM B&S), you shouldn't have any complaints -- the odds are greatly in your favor.




Oct 23, 2022 at 05:48 PM
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Never, never, never, never send a package for a sold item without insurance. I use the UPS store all the time and they will sell you insurance on UPS shipments. So will FedEx. At this point thereís not much you can do.

Always buy insurance. Shipments get lost. They get stolen. It happens. Let this be a lesson to everyone, donít ship without insurance!



Oct 23, 2022 at 05:57 PM
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It always seemed to me that a company could make a go of it being the middle man for private sales. They hold the money, the item in question gets sent to them, they open and verify the item (including sending pictures to the buyer), and ask if the buyer agrees that the item is correct. If possible basic testing as well. If the buyer wants it then the company ships it to them with the proper insurance and forwards the money to the seller. They could even photograph the package after it's wrapped so if it has been tampered with in any way the buyer must refuse it or not get a refund. It wouldn't be perfect but it would make private on line sales much more balanced.


Oct 23, 2022 at 09:38 PM
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I would take a loss and sell on MPB before selling on eBay. F that


Oct 23, 2022 at 10:51 PM
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It is annoying to dip into my sale (I canít even say profit) to pay for insurance on my dime but it just isnít worth it. I have really leaned on pirateship and paypal g&s in the past.

I did get a lens via japan ebay and did have problems; ended up being a very smooth return process (mapcamera).



Oct 23, 2022 at 11:49 PM
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I got stiffed on ebay selling a lens too - buyer emailed questions, emailed asking when I'd ship it, then eventually after it arrived did a chargeback saying he never ordered it. Paypal sided with the buyer. I did apparently have "seller protection" so didn't lose my money in that case, but it's put me off.

I now sell as tradein to places like MPB, Park or Wex when buying something else- the money isn't as good, but it's at least safe.



Oct 24, 2022 at 10:10 AM
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