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Voigtländer Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 VM I & II and Nikon Z Apo-Lan...

  
 
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https://digicame-info.com/2022/10/zmacro-apo-lanthar-65mm-f2-asp.html

According to a new rumor (source seems to be Nokishita), Cosina will announce these lenses for November 2022 release:

VM mount:
- Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 Type I and Type II

Nikon Z:
- Apo-Lanthar 65/2

"Also, it seems that the 35mm F1.5 will be added to the NOKTON Vintage Line series for M mount, and like the 50mm F1.5 and 75mm F1.5, it has a classical appearance and a modern optical system that uses aspherical surfaces. It looks like it's going to be a lens that has both."

I'm interested in the new 35/1.5, though it might not work all that well on Sony sensor stack...
Sadly still nothing new for E-mount.



Oct 11, 2022 at 11:21 PM
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Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings. I finally purchased the 75mm 1.5 and adapted to sony. Very good lens indeed.


Oct 12, 2022 at 07:47 AM
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Juha Kannisto wrote:
According to a new rumor (source seems to be Nokishita), Cosina will announce these lenses for November 2022 release:

VM mount:
- Nokton Vintage Line 35/1.5 Type I and Type II

"Also, it seems that the 35mm F1.5 will be added to the NOKTON Vintage Line series for M mount, and like the 50mm F1.5 and 75mm F1.5, it has a classical appearance and a modern optical system that uses aspherical surfaces. It looks like it's going to be a lens that has both."

I'm interested in the new 35/1.5, though it might not work all that well on Sony sensor stack...
Sadly still
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Yes, vintage line only refers to the appearance of the lens. This should be similar to the CV 50/1.5 II Nokton.
Therefore it should have aspherical(s) and perform like a modern lens. It should not compete with the current CV 35/1.4 Nokton.







Oct 12, 2022 at 12:43 PM
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what are the chances of no chrome ring? Please Cosina 🙏


Oct 12, 2022 at 02:58 PM
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krysdafur wrote:
what are the chances of no chrome ring? Please Cosina 🙏


4/5 vintage line lenses have the chrome ring, all of the more recent ones had it, soooo 5% max?



Oct 12, 2022 at 03:03 PM
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so there is a chance


Oct 12, 2022 at 03:06 PM
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krysdafur wrote:
so there is a chance


The CV 75/1.5 Nokton belongs to the vintage line and the black version does not have a chrome ring.



Oct 12, 2022 at 03:12 PM
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Thoughts/conjecture on this:

https://leicarumors.com/2022/10/11/coming-in-november-new-voigtlander-nokton-vintage-line-35mm-f-1-5-type-ii-vm-lens-for-leica-m-mount.aspx/

Maybe this will replace the now discontinued well-balanced 35/1.7. CV has a character 35 (35/1.4) moderate speed compact (35/2 ultron), super corrected (35/2 apo) and an uber-fast rendering lens (35/1.2viii). A faster, compact update on the 35/1.7 would be quite welcome I think.

I don’t think this is an update on any thing currently in their catalog, but maybe I am missing it. It’s rumored as “vintage”—not sure if that’s means design language or optic signature or both.



Oct 12, 2022 at 03:53 PM
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Hi Nehemiah,

See the thread on this lens just a bit below that Juha started a couple of days ago. There Fred writes:

"Yes, vintage line only refers to the appearance of the lens. This should be similar to the CV 50/1.5 II Nokton.
Therefore it should have aspherical(s) and perform like a modern lens."

So, I think you are right this could well replace the 35 f/1.7 (it should be shorter at least), and I expect it to be a lot like the 28 f/2 II, but we will see soon enough I suppose.



Oct 12, 2022 at 04:00 PM
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Hi Steve,

Sorry (I missed Juha’s post)—I’ll look for it. Will be very interesting it’s an all-a rounder to compete with the ZM 35/1.4 and 35 Lux.

I do hope CV makes a bit of a fatter/wider optical train and specifically from element to minimize optical vignetting. I’d like both my CV 35/2 ultron, CV 35/1.7 and 28/2 if the optical vignetting was lessened a bit.

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I will definitely get one for review!


Oct 12, 2022 at 04:09 PM
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Pumped to see this one. Fingers crossed it’s a CV 35/1.7 replacement—all around. Good coma correction and not extensive cat’s eye would be welcome. And lovely flare resistance.


Oct 12, 2022 at 04:31 PM
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It's a question mark if the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will have similar or superior performance to the CV 35/1.7 Ultron. Both belong to the "Vintage line" along with the CV 35/2 Ultron .

Hopefully it will be at least as short as the Leica 35/1.4 FLE.



Oct 12, 2022 at 06:11 PM
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'Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings.'

It looks more like the long (and unspoken) goodbye, as seen in the Zeiss weather vane modality. Either way, transparency is not a strong point, or even a thing at all. Recall that Sony was the only game in mirrorless town when Cosina got serious in 2017. Despite Sony inviting off-brand lens producers back then, Nikon is really the traditional SLR manual focus brand, of those left standing.

It's likely that new releases of the only full frame cross-brand MF maker will soon be directed their way, perhaps exclusively. Sony users might best be 'glass half full' on what they have received, and 'glass half empty' for the future.

If so, a small but serious set of users will continue to migrate to Nikon over time, and E-Z adapters are available for their CV-E lenses. It won't work in reverse, you can't turn an FFD of 16mm into an FFD of 18mm. Cosina might have found a better mass market home, going forward. Their longer-than-50mm portrait/telephoto lens cupboard is still bare, the 75mm (an M lens) excepted. They are a capricious firm.



Oct 12, 2022 at 06:17 PM
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I was told that the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will be available next month (Nov.) and it's a high performance lens. (higher resolution than the discontinued 35/1.7 Ultron)


Oct 12, 2022 at 06:44 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
It's a question mark if the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will have similar or superior performance to the CV 35/1.7 Ultron. Both belong to the "Vintage line" along with the CV 35/2 Ultron .

Hopefully it will be at least as short as the Leica 35/1.4 FLE.


Question is whether it will be at least as good as the aging Leica 35/1.4 FLE.
My hunch, given recent stellar CV offerings, is that it is likely to be better.



Oct 12, 2022 at 08:03 PM
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krysdafur wrote:
what are the chances of no chrome ring? Please Cosina 🙏


The 4 latest Cosina VM releases don't have a chrome ring so I think Cosina might now be paying more attention to the complaints regarding that...

- Heliar 40/2.8
- Nokton 50/1
- Apo-Skopar 90/2.8
- Heliar 50/1.5 classic

But if they make 35/1.5 very consistent with the design style of their other Vintage line lenses that have Type I and Type II variants, it may come with the chrome ring...

- Color-Skopar 21/3.5
- Ultron 28/2 II
- Ultron 35/2
(- Nokton 50/1.5 II << Not really Type I and Type II, but still several variants)

I think the official announcement will probably come soon, later this week or at least next week. Then we will see.

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Oct 12, 2022 at 08:49 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I was told that the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will be available next month (Nov.) and it's a high performance lens. (higher resolution than the discontinued 35/1.7 Ultron)


This is great news.

Also have my eye on the rumor that Leica will announce a 35 Lux pre-ASPH Steel Rim reissue alongside the M6 reissue:

https://leicarumors.com/2022/10/11/new-leica-summilux-35mm-f-1-4-v1-steel-rim-lens-reissue-rumored-to-be-announced-next-week-with-the-m6-camera.aspx/







Oct 12, 2022 at 08:55 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
'Long holidays for CV in terms of e-mount offerings.'

It looks more like the long (and unspoken) goodbye, as seen in the Zeiss weather vane modality. Either way, transparency is not a strong point, or even a thing at all. Recall that Sony was the only game in mirrorless town when Cosina got serious in 2017. Despite Sony inviting off-brand lens producers back then, Nikon is really the traditional SLR manual focus brand, of those left standing.

It's likely that new releases of the only full frame cross-brand MF maker will soon be directed their way, perhaps exclusively. Sony users might
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Based on lens sales info for Japan, Cosina's FF Z-mount lenses are not really outselling their Sony counterparts and the Sony versions were peaking much higher in the charts when they were new and fresh. Even now the E-mount versions are still holding their own. I wouldn't expect Cosina to move towards Nikon Z exclusivity based on that, but I think they want to be an early mover in Z-mount 3rd party lenses and try to maximize their sales while there is not yet as much competition, so they may be continuing to close the gaps between their E-mount and Z-mount FF offerings for a while now. So far they have been picking their E-mount all time best-sellers for Z-mount FF first and I'm curious where they will go from there.

I think in the future when they are ready to bring out an entirely new mirrorless FF lens they'd bring it out in both mounts.

Sadly they don't seem to put much stock on covering the 28mm FL for mirrorless, which is the one I'm personally missing in their mirrorless lineup most.



Oct 12, 2022 at 09:01 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I was told that the new CV 35/1.5 Nokton will be available next month (Nov.) and it's a high performance lens. (higher resolution than the discontinued 35/1.7 Ultron)


How CV balances the technical IQ versus the rendering is the crux of it. I hope it has a focusing tab, or a version of it does. The appeal of the 35/1.7 was the balance of those two (definitely not the ergonomics lol).

I can probably sell my 28/2 and 35/2.




Oct 12, 2022 at 09:34 PM
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