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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · AF on X-Pro 2. I'm struggling.


I'd appreciate the 60/2.4's AF a bit more if the camera played a trombone sound whenever it seeked.



Sep 26, 2022 at 09:30 AM
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CKrueger wrote:
Back to the topic at hand,...


Thanks for your input. I'll keep with the X-pro 2. I love the body/experience despite the focus issues I'm having. I'm shooting mostly people, with a variety of backgrounds and I think that's part of the struggle, but even using the recommended small focusing points, the lens seems as though it is still scanning way too long. I've heard way too many things about the love for the X-pro 2 to think it's something I just need to live with. I may try a newer lens, and I'm hopeful my lens is the bottleneck. I think I've maxed out what the body can do.



Sep 26, 2022 at 10:26 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · AF on X-Pro 2. I'm struggling.


kenbennett wrote. If you shoot raw and use Lightroom, make sure you add the Fuji color profiles in the Develop module so you have access to them.


Hi! Where do you add that? I am in LR and do not see a place, I only see lens profiles.

Thank you!



Sep 26, 2022 at 10:36 AM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · AF on X-Pro 2. I'm struggling.


I'll say the XPro2 is fun to use, with its controls and the option to use the OVF. If that part ceases to be fun for you, there's no reason to stay with it. There's no downside to the newer bodies in terms of image quality; It's not like the XPro2's sensor is any better or worse than its successors.

If you are looking for another lens, I think the 56/1.2 is also great. Its signature is buttery smooth, and it focuses more quickly and quietly than the 35/1.4. Chances are you can find some coming up for sale soon, now that the new version of the lens is coming out. Just be sure to avoid the APD version, because while it has a bit smoother bokeh, its special lens element kills PDAF autofocus, which makes it a very poor choice for candids.

If you want the absolute best AF performance on Fuji bodies, check out the 33/1.4, 35/2, 50/2, and 90/2. The new, just-released version of the 56/1.2 might also be better, but I haven't seen any reviews of that yet that place it in relation to other Fuji lenses.



Sep 26, 2022 at 01:45 PM
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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · AF on X-Pro 2. I'm struggling.


I'm going to meet up with a local person to test out the 33/1.4, and the 90/2 later today on the X-pro2. I might end up looking for a 35/2 for a more portable option though.

I really like the design and pictures from the 35/1.4, especially compared to the really clean pictures from the Sony lenses I had, but I'm ok compromising some of that rendering for faster AF. I'm racking up the shutter actuations on this new X-pro 2 trying to learn this new system.



Sep 26, 2022 at 02:11 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Hi! Where do you add that? I am in LR and do not see a place, I only see lens profiles.

Thank you!


In the Develop Module, at the very top of the Basic panel, click the Profile drop down menu, and choose Browse.... Then scroll down to the "Camera Matching" set of profiles, and you'll see Astia, Classic Chrome, Provia, etc. - all the manufacturer profiles available for your camera. Click the little star icon in the top right of the profiles you'd like to see added to the Profiles drop down menu.

This works for any camera for which Adobe has developed color profiles that match the manufacturer's in-camera color settings.



Sep 27, 2022 at 06:23 AM
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Good luck with the 33/1.4, Victor! From what I hear it's outstanding in terms of image quality. I hope it also has that rendering magic you're looking for.


Sep 27, 2022 at 07:43 AM
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One thing about that 33mm f/1.4: It is a pretty big lens, big enough that it isn't going to play well with the OVF display on the XPro...

BTW, that's also very true of the excellent 90mm f/2. It isn't particularly usable with the OVF.

This raises an interesting question/conundrum. If you mostly (or exclusively) use these larger lenses like the 33mm f/1.4, the 90mm f/2, and others... the OVF feature of the XPro models isn't going to be of much use. If such lenses are your primary optics then the XT models or similar (with EVF-only) are likely to make more sense.

On the other hand, if you mostly use smaller lenses (like the little f/2 primes) with the OVF and occasionally use the larger lenses like the 33mm f/1.4 and the 90mm f/2, then you'll just switch to EVF for those lenses.



Sep 27, 2022 at 08:40 AM
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I thought the issues with lenses and OVF had to do with the FL, not the physical size. From what it sounds like, OVF disables some features like eye detect, so I may not be using as much as I want anyway.

They didn't have the 33 or 90 for me to try, so I wasn't able to really evaluate much. I did see a Mitakon 35/0.95 that I liked a lot on the X-pro 2. I put an ad out for a 33 though, and think why not give it a run, and if I don't like it, sell it for a small loss, like a rental.



Sep 27, 2022 at 09:55 AM
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kenbennett wrote:
In the Develop Module, at the very top of the Basic panel, click the Profile drop down menu, and choose Browse.... Then scroll down to the "Camera Matching" set of profiles, and you'll see Astia, Classic Chrome, Provia, etc. - all the manufacturer profiles available for your camera. Click the little star icon in the top right of the profiles you'd like to see added to the Profiles drop down menu.

This works for any camera for which Adobe has developed color profiles that match the manufacturer's in-camera color settings.


Thank you!



Sep 27, 2022 at 10:37 AM
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The OVF issues with large lenses is that they physically block your view. This is at its worst with the widest and largest lenses. For example:

16/1.4 - Significant blocking
16/2.8 - No blocking
35/1.4 - You know this one
56/1.2 - No blocking
80/2.8 - Very little blocking at >3ft. Complete blockage at macro distances

(Add hoods to any of those lenses and you greatly increase the blockage)

I don't own a 90/2, but I suspect it won't be horrible, since it's pretty long and the brightlines get pretty small for longer lenses.



Sep 27, 2022 at 11:19 AM
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lol. That's such an obvious reason. Makes total sense now. I do notice it with the 35/1.4 but it's not bothersome, and I can manage with the minimal blockage. I do wonder now about the 33, since I believe it is longer, and maybe a little wider. Maybe I should stick with the 35/2. I read an article about the x-pro1 in 2022. The author tested with a 35 1.4, then same body with the new generation of lenses, and there was a noticeable difference. I think my problem is I'm coming from Sony and expecting the same performance.


Sep 27, 2022 at 11:32 AM
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CKrueger wrote:
The OVF issues with large lenses is that they physically block your view. This is at its worst with the widest and largest lenses. For example:

16/1.4 - Significant blocking
16/2.8 - No blocking
35/1.4 - You know this one
56/1.2 - No blocking
80/2.8 - Very little blocking at >3ft. Complete blockage at macro distances

(Add hoods to any of those lenses and you greatly increase the blockage)

I don't own a 90/2, but I suspect it won't be horrible, since it's pretty long and the brightlines get pretty small for longer lenses.

The 90 doesn't block the frames, but only because the frame is quite small 😁
16mm doesn't matter as there's no frame for it,
Neither does macro, too innacurate to be worth using anyway.
Hood blockage much less with the 'vented' leica copy hoods, JJC sell what appear to be the same hoods as the Fuji ones but much cheaper. I have them on 23 and 35 f/2s. The standard hood on the 50 doesnt intrude.

Gerry



Sep 27, 2022 at 12:37 PM
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Victor Santos wrote:
I thought the issues with lenses and OVF had to do with the FL, not the physical size. From what it sounds like, OVF disables some features like eye detect, so I may not be using as much as I want anyway.

They didn't have the 33 or 90 for me to try, so I wasn't able to really evaluate much. I did see a Mitakon 35/0.95 that I liked a lot on the X-pro 2. I put an ad out for a 33 though, and think why not give it a run, and if I don't like it, sell
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The two issues play into one another, and they do so differently on different models of the XPro cameras.

It is true that if you put a 90mm lens on an XPro that the OVF frame lines take up a very small portion of the image. I'd have to check to see if the lens intrudes into that small rectangle or not... but I'm positive that it really covers a large portion of the OVF image. You do certainly end up looking at a pretty tiny image are with the long focal length though.

If you use very large normal to wide lenses, where the frame covers a pretty large portion of the OVF view, then you will indeed have parts of the image area blocked by your lens.

The OVF is really designed for use with sort of old-school lenses of moderate focal length and slightly larger maximum apertures.

I do use some lenses that are far from optimized for the OVF: the 80mm macro, the 90mm prime, the 16-55 and 50-140mm zoom, the 23mm f/1.4. (The 35mm f/1.4 is OK, with only minor OVF obstruction.) I _mostly_ use lenses that do work with the OVF, and from my perspective it is useful to still be able to use the others on occasions. I just switch to EVF.

BTW, due to difference in design, I _believe_ that the XPro2 will show the frame of the 14mm lens in OVF, while the newer XPro3 (which eliminated one setting that lets you prioritize for wide or long lenses) will only show 16mm.

Dan



Sep 27, 2022 at 01:31 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
The two issues play into one another, and they do so differently on different models of the XPro cameras.

It is true that if you put a 90mm lens on an XPro that the OVF frame lines take up a very small portion of the image. I'd have to check to see if the lens intrudes into that small rectangle or not... but I'm positive that it really covers a large portion of the OVF image. You do certainly end up looking at a pretty tiny image are with the long focal length though.

If you use very large normal to wide
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The widest frame in Xpro-2 is 18mm on the smaller magnification. The Xpro-3 only has one mag and the widest frame is 23mm (for the Fuji lenses, I don't know if it would display a frame for a 21mm adapted lens or not)

Gerry



Sep 27, 2022 at 01:39 PM
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Er, what am I missing here, I thought we were talking about focus accuracy? What does the OVF and VF blockage have to do with AF performance? I see how it can affect composition, but worst case scenario, switch to the EVF.


Sep 27, 2022 at 02:47 PM
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gyoung143 wrote:
The widest frame in Xpro-2 is 18mm on the smaller magnification. The Xpro-3 only has one mag and the widest frame is 23mm (for the Fuji lenses, I don't know if it would display a frame for a 21mm adapted lens or not)

Gerry


Hmmm...

I'll have to look into that a bit more closely. Originally there were claims that the XPro2 on its "wide" setting would work with 14mm, and I've used my 14mm f/2.8 on mine. And I was pretty sure I had read that you could still see the 16mm frame with the XPro3.

You are correct that there's only one magnification setting for the XPro3, which somewhat diminishes the range of focal lengths it will work with compared to the XPro2. (That was one of the take-aways on the "update" to model 3.)

One thing that may surprise some people. The OVF frame lines can change size to compensate for FL changes on zoom lenses... not that I'd want to use them that way.

Desmolicious wrote:
Er, what am I missing here, I thought we were talking about focus accuracy? What does the OVF and VF blockage have to do with AF performance? I see how it can affect composition, but worst case scenario, switch to the EVF.


Online discussions drift. That's normal. If you look at the thread you can probably see why this one did.

Dan



Sep 27, 2022 at 03:47 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Hmmm...

I'll have to look into that a bit more closely. Originally there were claims that the XPro2 on its "wide" setting would work with 14mm, and I've used my 14mm f/2.8 on mine. And I was pretty sure I had read that you could still see the 16mm frame with the XPro3.

You are correct that there's only one magnification setting for the XPro3, which somewhat diminishes the range of focal lengths it will work with compared to the XPro2. (That was one of the take-aways on the "update" to model 3.)

One thing that may surprise some people. The OVF frame
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If I put my 14mm on my Xpro-2 it just shows the whole frame area (which is not big enough for the correct FoV) without a brightline frame. The lens also blocks a fair amount of the view as its fairly chunky. So I switch to EVF normally, sometimes I might use the 21mm external finder I have for my Voigtlander 21mm for Leica, in the hot shoe, but I rarely bother.

Gerry



Sep 27, 2022 at 04:09 PM
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Just an update to this thread. I ended up getting the 33/1.4, 35/2 WR, and 27/2.8 WR. All of these lenses work so much better in regards to the AF. I'm not sure if it this is an issue with each copy of the lens or not. I sold the 35/1.4. I'll miss the rendering, but I'll have more keepers. Now I'm debating whether or not to keep the 33/1.4 or the 35/2.

Also the 33 does get in the way of the OVF a bit more. If I have the ERF on, the lens just peaks around that screen. My wife likens it to a scene from Star Wars, and said "pew pew" the when she looked through the OVF.



Oct 07, 2022 at 09:47 AM
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Fuji's F2 WR lenses are awesome. I would bet most people wouldn't be able to differentiate 33 F1.4's images from the 35 F2's.


Oct 07, 2022 at 10:23 AM
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