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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

Sometime in the next six months, Sony is likely to announce a new A7RV.

What are realistic expectations--not wishes--for what this camera will offer to distinguish it from its formidable predecessor, the A7RIV, and to also separate it from the A1.

Realistically speaking, how could Sony do this?

My guesses are:

more mpix than the A7RIV, but not a lot more
maybe a faster sensor read-out
and, to separate it from the A1, a significantly lower frame rate than the A1 offers

But those three items are not a lot either to offer or to differentiate it from other models.

What are your estimates?

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Sep 18, 2022 at 07:18 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

Same sensor as the a7RIV.
Same processor as the a1.
The body of the a7IV. (swing out screen)
Add bird eye focus, upgrade the other eye focuses.
12-14 frame/second, electric shutter.
And a price hike of $500

Sep 18, 2022 at 07:43 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

With it being late for a year already, I would expect a bump of resolution, maybe to 80mp though 100mp is not out of the question. I don't think 60mp will cut it for an R model, especially that it needs to hold the market for likely another 3 years.

Still 10fps.

I would think a price hike is possible with the inflation. But with the USD strong against all other currencies, and economy tanking, maybe not in USD.

Sep 18, 2022 at 08:17 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

Apparently, Sony makes 20MP micro four-thirds sensors. Hence, an 80 MP FF sensor can be feasible. My guess is A7V may well have a new 90 MP sensor. I have seen speculations of a 100 MP sensor in A7V - this does not strike me as totally unlikely/unreasonable. Thus, my guess is that A7V will have a 90 - 100 MP sensor in the A7IV body. Handling the megapixels would probably require a new more powerful processor.

Sep 18, 2022 at 08:43 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

Is Sony really going to put a 100MP sensor in a FF camera when there are more medium format bodies available now? Does anyone really want or need a 90-100MP FF sensor in a 10+ FPS body, with all the challenges that would pose for noise, DR, processing speed, battery life, file size, etc.?

I'm honestly curious, because sometimes I feel like we're heading back to the same sort of megapixel race as 15 years ago when people became mildly obsessed with MP count and still often linked it with IQ.

Sep 18, 2022 at 09:50 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

It seems like the camera makers like to use a sensor for more than just one body.
The a7R2, a7R3, A7r3-a, the crop sensor camera going way back, the a9's.
Canon does this ... a lot.
I'm thinking it will be 61mp again.

I did forget the view finder, and the back screen. Maybe those will get a bump in resolution.

Sep 18, 2022 at 10:01 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

I'd think it will get the/a new processor and pick up the recent menu system changes. And current focus system enhancements. Lossless compressed. 4K60 video and similar upgrades, perhaps file formats? I don't know if will have increased resolution. That's "overhead" many don't need when it comes to file size, etc. (OTOH, if one really needs speed, there are other faster bodies, too.) Update, upgrade connectivity? More/faster "USB-C" ports. Maybe a change to the rear panel, some like different tilts/articulations.

Increased res if needed to handle 8K? But faster readout, deal with "flicker," reduce rolling shutter if not eliminate it? This might push to different slots/cards?

Sep 18, 2022 at 10:14 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

New sensor - minor resolution bump (ex. 67MP) but faster sensor readout allowing 8k30 and 4k120 video modes.

Bionz XR processor (same as A1/A74) for snappier camera operation
New menu system

Larger / higher resolution LCD screen
Larger / higher resolution EVF

Wildcard guess: New body design, slightly larger (small bump to width, larger bump to height) for better grip and ergonomics.

Sep 18, 2022 at 10:21 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

wordfool wrote:
Is Sony really going to put a 100MP sensor in a FF camera when there are more medium format bodies available now? Does anyone really want or need a 90-100MP FF sensor in a 10+ FPS body, with all the challenges that would pose for noise, DR, processing speed, battery life, file size, etc.?

I'm honestly curious, because sometimes I feel like we're heading back to the same sort of megapixel race as 15 years ago when people became mildly obsessed with MP count and still often linked it with IQ.

An increased megapixel count is always of questionable value . . . until people start using it. Then it's never enough. The early megapixel race was to reach and exceed film quality. Today people seem to be more interested in cropping potential. Basically lots of people want to do digital zooming.

Raw pixel count can be useful. I would be more excited by some variable pixel count options like a 100mp raw sensor that I could selectively shoot pixel binned 25mp images with. Ultimately, the limited pixel pitch of such dense sensors is going to bump against the same physical ceiling limiting smaller sensor noise management. The option to get cleaner, low res images by pixel binning would be awesome. Plus it would simplify file management when I don't need hi res files.

Imagine the ISO potential of binning 16 pixels. You could have noise free 6mp images at ISO 1 million. 6mp is enough to print 8x10". More than enough for web use.

Sep 18, 2022 at 10:34 PM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

I think they may increase the MP slightly but add additional features:

1. In-camera pixel shift that eliminates slight camera movement.
2. Built-in storage.
3. Faster processor.
4. Built-in ND filter.
5. Variable pixel count.

Sep 18, 2022 at 10:40 PM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

In my opinion Sony has to look at the A7RV as the camera that can beat the R5 - and really the R5 update - as well as potentially the Z8. I would expect:

A bump in resolution yet maintaining better dynamic range.
A bump to 20 FPS electronic shutter, 10 mechanical.
Same processor as the A1 w/improved AF, ergonomics and menu systems
Could we finally see focus stacking or a base ISO lower than 100?

I have been waiting on this camera - still shooting with an A7RIII - and am hoping for more than an A7IV w/higher resolution.

Sep 18, 2022 at 11:21 PM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

I feel like Sony mostly just needs to look hard at what they want the A7R to be. If they want to keep it a landscape or portrait camera, they they need to add utility and not just specs.
A small update to the MP is good I think, to 75-80MP. Sony does need to stay on top of the game here, but they don't need to do it 'just because'.
Biggest changes I would suggest are a new processor, new bigger LCD screen, top display and refinement in ergonomics. Maybe a higher FPS lower res mode?

Sep 19, 2022 at 01:05 AM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

I know for a fact I will not get what I want. I would love a new camera with the 42mp sensor from the Riii. I much prefer it to the RIV sensor and my A7iv sensor.

One thing we will see is the ability to shoot medium and small raw as seen in the new A7iv firmware . I think this will be welcomed by many R users.

Sep 19, 2022 at 01:57 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

nick williams wrote:
I know for a fact I will not get what I want. I would love a new camera with the 42mp sensor from the Riii. I much prefer it to the RIV sensor and my A7iv sensor.

One thing we will see is the ability to shoot medium and small raw as seen in the new A7iv firmware . I think this will be welcomed by many R users.

If they put a sensor with the qualities of the A7RIII but with a faster readout in a smaller body and with excellent autofocus that would be ideal for me. There are good reasons why the A7RIII has become a classic.

Sep 19, 2022 at 07:04 AM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

wordfool wrote:
Is Sony really going to put a 100MP sensor in a FF camera when there are more medium format bodies available now? Does anyone really want or need a 90-100MP FF sensor in a 10+ FPS body, with all the challenges that would pose for noise, DR, processing speed, battery life, file size, etc.?

I'm honestly curious, because sometimes I feel like we're heading back to the same sort of megapixel race as 15 years ago when people became mildly obsessed with MP count and still often linked it with IQ.

It's not whether people want or need a higher resolution sensor. It's that if Sony still uses 60mp, fewer people will buy it. Because people may already have a7r4, or they can get an a7r4 for cheaper, or they already have a1 and dont see much difference.

chiron wrote:
If they put a sensor with the qualities of the A7RIII but with a faster readout in a smaller body and with excellent autofocus that would be ideal for me. There are good reasons why the A7RIII has become a classic.

That will be a7v.

Sep 19, 2022 at 08:13 AM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

TravelinBriNY wrote:
In my opinion Sony has to look at the A7RV as the camera that can beat the R5 - and really the R5 update - as well as potentially the Z8. I would expect:

A bump in resolution yet maintaining better dynamic range.
A bump to 20 FPS electronic shutter, 10 mechanical.
Same processor as the A1 w/improved AF, ergonomics and menu systems
Could we finally see focus stacking or a base ISO lower than 100?

I have been waiting on this camera - still shooting with an A7RIII - and am hoping for more than an A7IV w/higher resolution.

To compete with the Canon R5 the a7RM5 will have to use a CFexpress card. I'd prefer dual CFexpress. The mixed card slots on the R5 are a serious limitation. If you want a backup you slow the buffer clearing down to the much slower SD card rate.

Sep 19, 2022 at 08:29 AM

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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

I think if anything some features from the A1 like the CF express cards , dual slots, maybe a faster electronic shutter readout and better buffer. But I think the current 62 sensor is what the will stay with. Maybe better EVF and LCD improvements but I feel its more like a A7RIVA than a A7rV in feature sets. They may still call it a A7rV just because its easier to say.

Im not really interested as the A1 at 50mpx is about perfect for me

Sep 19, 2022 at 08:42 AM

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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

And a7R IVA is already taken....

GMPhotography wrote:
I think if anything some features from the A1 like the CF express cards , dual slots, maybe a faster electronic shutter readout and better buffer. But I think the current 62 sensor is what the will stay with. Maybe better EVF and LCD improvements but I feel its more like a A7RIVA than a A7rV in feature sets. They may still call it a A7rV just because its easier to say.

Im not really interested as the A1 at 50mpx is about perfect for me

Sep 19, 2022 at 08:44 AM

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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

tsdevine wrote:
And a7R IVA is already taken....

Oh yea the damn naming is driving me nuts.

Thanks Tim, Im not paying much attention anymore per say.

Whatever happened to like A1, A2, A3 etc. so much easier on us old dogs. ROTFLMAO

Sep 19, 2022 at 08:46 AM

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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · what are realistic expectations for an A7RV?

I've posted this before already in the beginning of February, but here is a slight updated version:

Sony favorite months to launch bodys in are April and October (yes I have done the statistic research to come to that conclusion).

SAR says they have sources saying that Sony won't, due to the chip shortage, launch any FF bodys in the first half of 2022, so then October is most likely. That would also let the A7RIVa have been on the market for 1 year and a quarter until it gets superseded.

As to specs, I guess forth generation body, mech shutter, no stacked sensor at about 80-100 Mpix.

Why not the 61 Mpix again? It looks like that was a custom job for Sonys camera division (it is not a generic offer on Sony sensor divisions homepage).

And they (Sonys camera division) have licensed it to Sigma (fp L) and Leica (M11). I also guess we soon will see a Leica Q3, SL3 and a Panasonic S1RII with it in them.

And there have been rumors about a Nikon Z7III with a 61 Mpix sensor which most likely is the same one sensor again (though someone found an image used in Nikon marketing whos metadata claimed it was shot at 68 Mpix so might be that Nikon has gone with a custom job at Sonys sensor division, might also just have been scrambled up metadata).

So when those who don't have sensor development "in house" as Sony does (though at another division) re-uses the Sonys 61 Mpix sensor, or even goes a little higher on coming models, it is not likely Sony themselves will put it in a new body.

There are also rumors about a Canon R5S with 80-100 Mpix. They also make sensors in house and the race these days are between Canon and Sony. Will they do 100 Mpix on this generation or will they milk the market another round and do 80 before they do 100? After that, it will be hard to go higher on FF I guess.

So to summarise:
* Forth generation body with the new menus
* 80-100 Mpix BSI sensor, non stacked, so mech shutter at 10 fps and slow read out e-shutter
* Release in October 2022
* Price 500-1000 above the original A7RIV launch price which was 3500 USD

Sep 19, 2022 at 10:28 AM

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