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Rich, I pm'd you a link to some files you can inspect. I was out shooting today for a project and used the Samy. It's really growing on me I have to say.

I don't like being a pack mule, but I will always bring the Samy and the Pentax for the kind of work I did today because they are radically different focal lengths. If my inbound 28mm lens is good enough, I can see myself carrying it too. My MAB camera is only 775 grams, so everything fits in a 21 litre pack. Fortunately my 90mm is a featherweight, and the 50mm and 150mm are compact and not very heavy.

Sep 16, 2022 at 02:10 PM

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rdeloe wrote:
Rich, I pm'd you a link to some files you can inspect. I was out shooting today for a project and used the Samy. It's really growing on me I have to say.

I don't like being a pack mule, but I will always bring the Samy and the Pentax for the kind of work I did today because they are radically different focal lengths. If my inbound 28mm lens is good enough, I can see myself carrying it too. My MAB camera is only 775 grams, so everything fits in a 21 litre pack. Fortunately my 90mm is a...Show more →

Hi Rob,

Thank you. I certainly can't say that my set-up is anything close to the weight of your MAB camera as my Cambo Actus Mini with full tilt package and standard bellows weighs 1600 g plus the weight of my Sony A1. I presently carry my system in my small Lowepro Pro runner 200 AW Backpack. But, I will also often carry my Kolari Vision UT sensor modified A7rII with Leica M WATE in a separate pouch and of course a tripod with head. The lenses that I will often carry in the Lowepro Pro runner 200 AW Backack with the Cambo Actus and A1 are my Leica R 28mm f2.8 Super Angulon PC, Rodenstock 50mm Apo Rodagon N Enlarging lens with collapible hood mounted on an M39 to Leica R adapter attached to a Leica R 3 ring extension tube set, Rodenstock 55mm f5.6 Apo-Sironar in Copal 0.0 shutter on Cambo Actus Copal 0 Plate, SK 90mm f4.5 Digitar in Copal 0.0 shutter on Cambo Actus Copal 0 Plate, SK 120mm f5.6 Makro-Symmar HM in Copal 0.0 in special SK Grimes Adapter to Leica R T mounted to Cambo modified Cambo Actus Leica R Plate, and 150mm f5.6 Sinar Sinaron Digital (rebadged Rodenstock 150mm f5.6 Apo-Sironar) in Copal 0.0 shutter on Cambo Actus 0 Plate.

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Sep 16, 2022 at 02:43 PM

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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Rob,

Thank you. I certainly can't say that my set-up is anything close to the weight of your MAB camera as my Cambo Actus Mini with full tilt package and standard bellows weighs 1600 g plus the weight of my Sony A1. I presently carry my system in my small Lowepro Photorunner 200 AW Backpack. But, I will also often carry my Kolari Vision UT sensor modified A7rII with Leica M WATE in a separate pouch and of course a tripod with head. The lenses that I will often carry in the Lowepro Photorunner 200 AW Backack with the Cambo...Show more →

1,600 grams for just the Actus body is a manageable weight. My Toyo VX23D is around 3,500. I hauled that thing over hill and dale for a couple years, but I definitely prefer the lighter load of my new MAB camera. The way I work, it's nice to be able to move around with the camera on the tripod. I could never do that with the Toyo for more than a few metres (too cumbersome and heavy). I can carry this setup quite easily.

I have to say it's a good time to be a photographer. There are so many options now; with a bit of digging people can find something that works for them.

Sep 16, 2022 at 02:55 PM

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rdeloe wrote:
1,600 grams for just the Actus body is a manageable weight. My Toyo VX23D is around 3,500. I hauled that thing over hill and dale for a couple years, but I definitely prefer the lighter load of my new MAB camera. The way I work, it's nice to be able to move around with the camera on the tripod. I could never do that with the Toyo for more than a few metres (too cumbersome and heavy). I can carry this setup quite easily.

https://i.ibb.co/yyq9w5Q/MAB-travelling.jpg

I have to say it's a good time to be a photographer. There are so many...Show more →

Hi Rob,

The Cambo Actus 375 full tilt kit added about 1 pound (453.592g) to the weight of the stock camera. But It does add dramatically to the camera flexibility. I could remove the bottom portion that supports the rail that allows for adjusting the angle of the whole camera and rail +/- 15 degrees in 5 degree increments.

Rich

Sep 16, 2022 at 03:09 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Swebo TC24 24mm f/3.5 Lens

This may sound a little off the wall, regarding the Sweebo TC24, but I have a rather rare Leitz 2 part adapter #500935 that was included with my Leitz 25mm f2.5 Photar macro lens to attach the lens to my Leica R bellows. The outer removable portion of the inner ring is 40.5mm. The other inner portion of this adapter has an microscope RMS thread to mount the photar to the outer portion of this adapter. I also have a rather heavy custom made adapter ring that was made to mount my Rodenstock 75mm 1X and 2X Apo Radagon D lenses into a Copal shutter. As it turns out it has the same 40.5mm thread size that screws into the Leitz adapter (which has a Leica R mount). The other side of this custom made adapter is M39 size (same as all of my Apo Enlarger lenses) and also the thread size of the Sweebo TC24 lens.

Since the Sweebo TC24 lens appears to have the helicoid focus and the Cambo Actus Mini foucses via a bellows, with the possible exceptions of added vibration and not being kept perpendicular to the lens board, do you see any problems mounting the lens into the outer portion of the #500935 Leitz adapter and the special custom made adapter ring providing I can still focus the lens at infinity with the focus of the lens itself?

The reason that I am asking and suggesting this as a possiblity is because I believe that I could then mount the lens this way to my Cambo modified Leica R lens plate and mounted this way it would not interfere with releasing the lens from the Leica R plate. Don't forget the Sony camera bodies have an 18mm flange distance while the Leica R flange distance is 47mm. An advantage for me to do this is that I could carry the Sweebo LS24 unattached to a Lens plate and only attach it when needed; this would take up less of the precious space in my small backpack.

Rich

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Sep 18, 2022 at 10:45 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Swebo TC24 24mm f/3.5 Lens

So, it looks like 24 is Samyang, 19 Nikkor(?) and 15 is Laowa!?
I shot with Samyang on my Sony A900 and later A7R - it has visible distortion (can be corrected in Capture One), rather strange colour cast (more cyan and green), bad flare and sharpness falling-off badly after ~6mm shift. Changed it for TS-E 24mm II.
I also own Laowa 15 and its pretty decent (cannot say copy of 17mm TS-E I shot few times was better). Probably will get Laowa 20 next year.

Sep 18, 2022 at 12:11 PM

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q-w-z wrote:
So, it looks like 24 is Samyang, 19 Nikkor(?) and 15 is Laowa!?
I shot with Samyang on my Sony A900 and later A7R - it has visible distortion (can be corrected in Capture One), rather strange colour cast (more cyan and green), bad flare and sharpness falling-off badly after ~6mm shift. Changed it for TS-E 24mm II.
I also own Laowa 15 and its pretty decent (cannot say copy of 17mm TS-E I shot few times was better). Probably will get Laowa 20 next year.

Thank you. If I wished to use the Canon 24mm TS-E II on the Cambo Actus with any of my Sony Camera bodies more recent than the A7r cameras, to the best of my knowledge when using the $1446 Cambo ACB-CA Lensplate with Canon EF Bayonet (to adjust the lens aperture) the enlargement of the grips on the Sony bodies subsequent to the A7r has llimited shift in my understanding to the left of about 4mm. Add that to the $1800+ for the Canon lens. As to the Nikkor 19mm lense, I believe that it would not be possible to adjust the lens aperture on the Cambo Actus Mini cameras with the Sony camera bodies. That would leave the Sweebo TC24. Unfortunately the Laowa 20mm shift lens is only available in the in Canon RF, Nikon Z, and Sony E mounts. Cambo offers no lens plates in those mounts, only Canon EF and Nikon NF mount to use on the Cambo Actus mini camera with the standard Cambo Actus Canon lens plate or Nikon F lens plate with a Sony E mount body. I would need to add a Canon EF to RF adapter or a Nikon F to Nikon Z mount or a Nikon F to Sony E mount adapter to use a any of the versions of the Laowa 20mm shift lens.

Rich

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Sep 18, 2022 at 12:26 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Swebo TC24 24mm f/3.5 Lens

naturephoto1 wrote:
This may sound a little off the wall, regarding the Sweebo TC24, but I have a rather rare Leitz 2 part adapter #500935 that was included with my Leitz 25mm f2.5 Photar macro lens to attach the lens to my Leica R bellows. The outer removable portion of the inner ring is 40.5mm. The other inner portion of this adapter has an microscope RMS thread to mount the photar to the outer portion of this adapter. I also have a rather heavy custom made adapter ring that was made to mount my Rodenstock 75mm 1X and 2X Apo Radagon D...Show more →

Rich, if you can get the lens at its flange distance, you're (mostly) good to go.

The "mostly" is because in getting it at its flange distance, it needs to be securely held and properly aligned; you need to be able to reach the aperture ring and focus ring; and you don't want anything in the light path at the rear end that can cause reflections.

If you can check all those boxes, any number of solutions could work. If the one you've mapped out here doesn't work, you have lots of other options. For example, the 39mm threaded rear end of the lens will fit through a Copal 1 hole, which is 41.6mm. That's a bit loose, but you could easily lock it down temporarily with a spacer and a short 39mm x 1/26th inch thread extension tube (assuming that's the pitch on the lens). If the Cambo board is recessed enough, you'd be good to go.

This is a re-housed Fujinon GX 65mm f/5.6 on my Toyo. To mount this one, I had to make a bellows adapter to attach the bellows to the rear end of the lens, instead of to the front standard. There are no rules.

Sep 18, 2022 at 03:15 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Swebo TC24 24mm f/3.5 Lens

One more example with the Samyang 24mm f/3.5 from a project at Silver Creek in southern Ontario. The creek is so dry you could mop up the little bit of water that's left with a couple towels.

This is on my GFX 50R with MAB camera. I didn't correct the barrel distortion that the lens has because it's not noticeable in this kind of scene. At f/11 the lens is nice and sharp across the whole frame, with no noticeable CA in this scene, and no issues with flare. I used some tilt and swing in this scene to get the plane of focus where I wanted it.

Sep 18, 2022 at 03:23 PM

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rdeloe wrote:
One more example with the Samyang 24mm f/3.5 from a project at Silver Creek in southern Ontario. The creek is so dry you could mop up the little bit of water that's left with a couple towels.

This is on my GFX 50R with MAB camera. I didn't correct the barrel distortion that the lens has because it's not noticeable in this kind of scene. At f/11 the lens is nice and sharp across the whole frame, with no noticeable CA in this scene, and no issues with flare. I used some tilt and swing in this scene to get...Show more →

I am quite likely going to take a chance on the Swebo TC24 lens in about 3 weeks (20 copies are available on AliExpress). Hopefully I will get a good copy and it will work as hoped and recommended by Rob. If I don't get a good copy I will return it and try again. If I can't get a good copy, then I will abandon this option. I am a bit concerned that the Swebo website, which was not very current is now not working as of I believe yesterday.

If I can't get a good copy of the lens, then I will probably opt and purchase the Pentax 645 A35mm lens. I believe that the lens allows for adjustment of the lens aperture unmounted which would fit my needs.

I am also wondering about possibly getting a Venus Optics Laowa 17mm f/4 GFX Zero-D Lens for FUJIFILM G in the future providing one of us can figure out how to mount it to a Cambo Actus lens board (maybe Rob can make comment about that). Since the Sony E mount cameras have an 18mm flange distance and the Fujfifilm flange distance is 26.7mm I think that it may be possible. Providing the heavy lens (829g) with an 86mm filter size can be supported, it may be a good option to a Canon 17mm T/S on the Cambo Actus

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1497906-REG/venus_optics_ve1740gfx_laowa_17mm_f_4_gfx.html

https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images1000x1000/1564741283_1497906.jpg

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Sep 22, 2022 at 10:27 AM

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naturephoto1 wrote:
I am quite likely going to take a chance on the Swebo TC24 lens in about 3 weeks (20 copies are available on AliExpress). Hopefully I will get a good copy and it will work as hoped and recommended by Rob. If I don't get a good copy I will return it and try again. If I can't get a good copy, then I will abandon this option. I am a bit concerned that the Swebo website, which was not very current is now not working as of I believe yesterday.

If I can't get a good copy of the lens,...Show more →

Good luck, Rich. I hope you get a good copy on the first try.

As for mounting the Lawoa GF lens, it's entirely possible. The GFX flange is a mm or so longer than the working distance between the end of the Rodenstock Grandagon 45 and the sensor plane at infinity, and I was able to use that with my a7 on the ACB-310 (the wide angle rear standard). The lens mount itself would likely need to be machined, or you could try to DIY version using a Copal 1 board and rear GF lens cap with a large enough portion of both removed to allow the light path. You'd be limited to using your a7r, since the ACB-310 won't work with the larger grips and bodies of the second series or later of Sony cameras. The a7c may also work, but I haven't tested that, so that's just speculation based on the dimensions of the camera.

Sep 22, 2022 at 02:54 PM

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freaklikeme wrote:
Good luck, Rich. I hope you get a good copy on the first try.

As for mounting the Lawoa GF lens, it's entirely possible. The GFX flange is a mm or so longer than the working distance between the end of the Rodenstock Grandagon 45 and the sensor plane at infinity, and I was able to use that with my a7 on the ACB-310 (the wide angle rear standard). The lens mount itself would likely need to be machined, or you could try to DIY version using a Copal 1 board and rear GF lens cap with a large enough portion...Show more →

Hi Brad,

So, you don't think that I could use the Laowa 17mm GFX lens with the standard Cambo Bellows set-up with my A1. I think that it will work with the Swebo TC-24. I really do not want to change the rear standard of the camera and be limited to the one camera orientation. Also I don't want to switch to the A7C and still have the A7r cameras, but the newer ones more resolution and better EVF.

As I mentioned, there are the Cambo Actar 15 and the Actar 19. I believe that the Actar 19 is based on the Nikon 19mm PC lens, but it has a God Awful price of $5996:

https://digitalback.com/products/cambo-actar-19-ultra-wide-angle-lens-for-actus

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0463/2005/8517/products/Actar-19_01w_900x.jpg

The Cambo Actar 15 is a bit more reasonable at $1950, but really more than I want to spend.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1683176-REG/cambo_99070815_actar_15_lensplate_with_15mm.html

https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images1000x1000/1648812030_1683176.jpg

Both the Actar 15 and the Actar 19 have really protruding bulbous front lens elements that do not allow for protection or allowing for any practical way of using any filters.

Getting as wide as 15, 17, or 19mm would not be at the top of my list for lens used.

Rich

Sep 22, 2022 at 03:19 PM

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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Brad,

So, you don't think that I could use the Laowa 17mm GFX lens with the standard Cambo Bellows set-up with my A1. I think that it will work with the Swebo TC-24. I really do not want to change the rear standard of the camera and be limited to the one camera orientation. Also I don't want to switch to the A7C and still have the A7r cameras, but the newer ones more resolution and better EVF.

As I mentioned, there are the Cambo Actar 15 and the Actar 19. I believe that the Actar 19 is based on the...Show more →

The 24 should work with the standard bellows and rotating camera mount without issue, Rich, assuming we're all correct about it being a rehoused Samyang. I'll have to check my notes when I get home, but I think you need at least 30mm between the lens end and the sensor plane for the standard to work. Less than that, you'll need the ACB-310, but you lose the mount rotation and the ability to use the larger-gripped cameras.

Sep 22, 2022 at 04:03 PM

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freaklikeme wrote:
The 24 should work with the standard bellows and rotating camera mount without issue, Rich, assuming we're all correct about it being a rehoused Samyang. I'll have to check my notes when I get home, but I think you need at least 30mm between the lens end and the sensor plane for the standard to work. Less than that, you'll need the ACB-310, but you lose the mount rotation and the ability to use the larger-gripped cameras.

Hi Brad,

Thank you. I would think that any version of the lens should be about the same as the Actar for the amount of distance required for the lens to focus to infinity.

Obviously this is just a set-up shown by Swebo with their camera and the lens and apparently one of the Sony bodies (I think that it may be an A7rII) but, I would expect that Swebo would not sell such a lens if it could not focus to infinity with the Sony body.

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/Hb73ae20a11e14ababf9e3e8f49d68f1aG/Swebo-TC24-24mm-f-3-5-Lens-for-Mini-View-Camera-Image-Cricle-80mm-Lens-Mounts.jpg

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Sep 22, 2022 at 04:31 PM

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Another option is the Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift Lens. I've been reading very favourable reports about that lens from GFX users. From the pictures, it looks like the same design concept as the Samyang 24, in other words, they've just bolted on whatever length tilt-shift mechanism and bayonet is needed for each mount.

If I needed a 20mm lens (too wide for me now, but never say never!), I'd give one of these a try. I bet it comes apart easily and can be re-mounted very easily on a Cambo lens board for Copal 1.

If you're anxious about the Swebo web site, it is really simple to re-mount the Samyang. If you're willing to give up the aperture click stops, it's simply a matter of making four screw holes in an Actus lens board that line up with the existing holes on the lens and attaching them together. I'm happy to post pictures of how I did mine. The procedure is fully reversible.

If this isn't something you can do yourself, it's really simple work for a machinist.

Sep 22, 2022 at 05:54 PM

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rdeloe wrote:
Another option is the Laowa 20mm f/4 Zero-D Shift Lens. I've been reading very favourable reports about that lens from GFX users. From the pictures, it looks like the same design concept as the Samyang 24, in other words, they've just bolted on whatever length tilt-shift mechanism and bayonet is needed for each mount.

If I needed a 20mm lens (too wide for me now, but never say never!), I'd give one of these a try. I bet it comes apart easily and can be re-mounted very easily on a Cambo lens board for Copal 1.

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Hi Rob,

Thank you. With 20 copies of the Swebo TC24 available on the AliExpress website, I am not that concerned regarding the Swebo website. The AliExpress store must either be Swebo or have close ties with them to have 20 copies in stock. I can't believe that there would be many stores in the world that would have 20 $990 lenses in stock. They just wouldn't sell that many in a year.

If I find that I need the Laowa 20mm lens, I may consider having you or someone else do the surgery that I would pay for and then have the lens prepared (as possibly an M39 thread) or prepare it for mounting on a Cambo Actus lens panel.

Rich

Sep 22, 2022 at 06:39 PM

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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Rob,

Thank you. With 20 copies of the Swebo TC24 available on the AliExpress website, I am not that concerned regarding the Swebo website. The AliExpress store must either be Swebo or have close ties with them to have 20 copies in stock. I can't believe that there would be many stores in the world that would have 20 $990 lenses in stock. They just wouldn't sell that many in a year.

If I find that I need the Laowa 20mm lens, I may consider having you or someone else do the surgery that I would pay for and then have...Show more →

I've never purchased anything from Ali Express, so I'm interested to hear your experience.

I was curious and I checked it out. Swebo makes some interesting bits and pieces. The Swebo TCS20 is intriguing. Unfortunately, there's very little information in English about the products.

Good luck!

Sep 22, 2022 at 07:28 PM

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rdeloe wrote:
I've never purchased anything from Ali Express, so I'm interested to hear your experience.

I was curious and I checked it out. Swebo makes some interesting bits and pieces. The Swebo TCS20 is intriguing. Unfortunately, there's very little information in English about the products.

Good luck!

Hi Rob,

Thank you, I have purchased 2 items from Ali Express, The first was the Swebo LS001 macro focusing rail from the same shop earlier in the year. Shipment was held up due to Shanghai being shutdown. Otherwise, it was very good service. The other item was from a different shop, was more recent and again had good service. So, besides the shutdown of service in Shanghai, I am 2 for 2. Hopefully the same shop will do well again. The Swebo LS001 had good reviews on Amazon as well as elsewhere.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2255800885166581.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.10b01802DdX2e1&gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/H9c676b72d9314447a1ebf6a3c0024e12y/SWEBO-LS001-Lead-Screw-Macro-Focusing-Accuracy-001.jpg_Q90.jpg

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Sep 22, 2022 at 07:38 PM

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naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Brad,

Thank you. I would think that any version of the lens should be about the same as the Actar for the amount of distance required for the lens to focus to infinity.

Obviously this is just a set-up shown by Swebo with their camera and the lens and apparently one of the Sony bodies (I think that it may be an A7rII) but, I would expect that Swebo would not sell such a lens if it could not focus to infinity with the Sony body.

Rich

My pleasure, Rich. I agree, the 24 should be fine. It's the GFX 17 I think would be problematic for the standard bellows. It may work, but, after checking my notes, I don't think it'll give you any room to tilt at infinity or hyper-focus, and the bellows themselves would likely interfere in extreme shifts. On that one, or any GF lens, I'd feel more confident with the ACB-310.

Sep 23, 2022 at 01:31 PM

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freaklikeme wrote:
My pleasure, Rich. I agree, the 24 should be fine. It's the GFX 17 I think would be problematic for the standard bellows. It may work, but, after checking my notes, I don't think it'll give you any room to tilt at infinity or hyper-focus, and the bellows themselves would likely interfere in extreme shifts. On that one, or any GF lens, I'd feel more confident with the ACB-310.

Hi Brad,

Thank you. Perhaps Rob is correct, if I find the need, perhaps the Laowa 20mm shift lens may make a better option for modification to work with the Cambo Actus Mini with the Sony E mount cameras. But, before that the 24mm lens will offer greater wide angle options and it is already available.

Rich

Sep 23, 2022 at 02:25 PM

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