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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · 20 Year Monsoon


Mark, in a region where scenery and resulting photographs are usually grand but also convey a sense of the stark and harsh, your image here speaks life and gentle beauty. I love it.

It sounds like you have mastered large printing from fullframe sensors without needing the highest resolution cameras - I would love to see these prints in person, and hope I can get into the Nevada gallery on my next Southwest road trip. How large are you able to go from roughly 45mp files and have the print still hold up to close scrutiny? Most prints look good from the appropriate viewing distance, but I also love to get in closer and soak up details, and that’s where differences in quality reveal themselves.

I’d love to go 50” wide from my 45mp Nikon files but haven’t tried it yet, and I realize your workflow techniques are why you are able to print big (I think I read you have done 70” from the the A7R2?). Most of my current printing is 22 x 17 on Canson fine art papers which is the look I love for my own work (a hint of the painterly), and the largest I have done from a digital file is 40” x 30” on canvas from a 40mp sensor (Pentax 645D).

I voted :-)

Cheers,
Ross



Sep 13, 2022 at 10:23 AM
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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · 20 Year Monsoon


Amazing - the framing is fantastic, and good grief, what an image



Sep 13, 2022 at 11:10 AM
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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · 20 Year Monsoon


Ross Martin wrote:
Mark, in a region where scenery and resulting photographs are usually grand but also convey a sense of the stark and harsh, your image here speaks life and gentle beauty. I love it.

It sounds like you have mastered large printing from full frame sensors without needing the highest resolution cameras - I would love to see these prints in person, and hope I can get into the Nevada gallery on my next Southwest road trip.

How large are you able to go from roughly 45mp files and have the print still hold up to close scrutiny?

Most prints look
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Hi Ross. A very gratuitous thank you! And thank you for the vote! 🙏🏼

Well, your questions here definitely open up a ton of things. I could see why the next might sound arrogant to some, but I only know of one person able to get the phenomenal quality at all sizes including HUGE (ten foot and larger) as myself, and that person would be Robert B Park of Nevada Art Printers. He is literally the print guru of gurus in the industry today. You can check out what he has done, or some of what I have done with between LESS THAN 1 MP and maybe 10PM, on my Youtube Page (Youtube, then punch in my name or Mark Metternich Photography, LLC). Here are 4 video titles you might want to check out there:

• 10 MEGAPIXELS TO 10 FOOT PRINT! (see photo attached of this image)
This was something around 10MP (cropped out of a single shot from an older camera system, not the best lens, hand held (with a bit of motion blur) not the best ISO. I literally had to invent techniques to make it a HD quality 60” x 120” Lumachrome HD. Unusually laborious, that one took me a week, but it was incredible! You can view it close up!

• LESS THAN 1 MEGAPIXEL to a quality 74 INCH PRINT!
HOW Robert did that one is totally unbelievable!

• CRAZY SHARPENING FIX! (6 BLURRY megapixels to WOW!)

• 80 inch Lumachrome from under 10 megapixels!


One of our students (who had only done just a couple Skype lessons) in our last March workshop produced the sharpest most detailed 7 foot image my eyes have ever seen in my life! And I have seen a great many of the world renown “best” printers, of all formats (8X10, 4X5, Hblad, Phase, and so forth…). None of the techniques we use and teach that are the true game changers (and I mean NONE) are some simple push button conventional, or AI software like Gigapixel, Adobe Super Resolution, OnOne AI Resize… or using methods commonly known by print masters.

Not with the intent to plug our “The Ultimate Mastering Fine Art Printmaking Workshop” workshop in Vegas, but we literally have guaranteed it (5-6 years straight) the most complete, comprehensive and most cutting edge in the entire photo industry (with about two dozen - completely unique and proprietary - non disclosure agreement - techniques that either I have invented, Robert has invented, or we both have put our heads together mutually) that are TOTAL GAME CHANGERS in what is currently possible in the industry. The bottom line is that we both have this really bizarre obsession with pushing the boundaries of the cutting edge daily, and we both have a very unusual, more than full time, job of doing nothing but this (pushing boundaries, innovating, and constant testing… 5 - 7 days a week - for me when I am not on the road - month after month, year after year, for well over a decade for me and over 2 for Robert) working for some of the very highest end nature/landscape/art galleries nationally and internationally. Nothing puts the pressure (good) on a person like that, and nothing can beat the 10,000/20,000 hour rule when combined with huge passion and the constant obsession to keep pioneering, innovating, experimenting and testing.


After that very LONG disclaimer, here are some answers and quick points:

I do not currently have my work displayed at Nevada Art Printers, and there you will see a variety of work because it can be Roberts older work, newer work, or all kinds of clients work (and Robert has to work on whatever people send him).

BTW, I do not work for Robert (I work for myself) but clients have simply found me over the years (never advertised) and what works the very best is when we can get into a little training of our clients, so that they are giving us the best possible quality, so that their images can be as best as possible.

When I do the workshop, I can bring or have my work printed and shown there. I usually don't have much time for my own work, because I am on strict deadlines for others constantly. But when I do! In fact I have a project to attempt the most detailed and sharpest 60x120 in the world. It is going to take me a year for sure. If it goes as planned, when that is done, I’ll tell everyone where it can be seen.

I routinely have been doing and do plenty of 45MP or less images for clients, for all the sizes they want.

Some of my biggest clients want (or have wanted) at the long end a 120”, 90”, 80”, 72”, 60”, 45” or 50”, 36”, 24”, 18”, 12” postcard, magnet, web image, magazine CMYK image, and maybe even a postage stamp (the postage stamp is the only joke here…).

The BIGGEST I have done have been about 14+ foot.

A few months back I did 3 - 120” images for another client all form 45 or less MP. They had to be top class. Viewable close up and look AWESOME. They turned out incredible.

So, in some ways the sky's the limit. But when people shoot correctly for print (maximum exposure pulled down - NOT shooting for the highlights - but shot way "to the right"), maybe using a linear profile, use great glass and best f/stop, and lowest ISO (or ISO expansion low) and maybe even a totally lossless Raw Layer workflow (I have been advocating for, for years) then it is a total treat to make these huge world class images.

When they do not use excellent shooting/processing practices (and many don't) then some of it is still possible, but with a lot more labor, heavier lifting required.

I’d rather have a 24 or 36MP (or less) image exposed maximally, exposure pulled way down in post (maybe even a Linear Profile used) not sharpened at all (no Adobe default sharpening either!!!) no “clarity or texture” applied in Lightroom, shot lowest ISO with good/great glass and near or at the best f/stop for the lens, than a much higher MP file not shot best for print, any day!

Any more info, just email me… I’m back on the road for a couple of weeks as of Friday, so I apologize in advance if my communications are delayed.











10MP to a 120" Lumachrome HD Fine Art Gallery Print




Sep 14, 2022 at 03:10 PM
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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · 20 Year Monsoon


Just a fantastic shot Mark !

Ronny



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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · 20 Year Monsoon


Exceptional Capture Mark... A7R2 user myself as well and I keep hearing quite amazing things about the S1R


Sep 15, 2022 at 03:26 PM
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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · 20 Year Monsoon


Majestictone wrote:
Exceptional Capture Mark... A7R2 user myself as well and I keep hearing quite amazing things about the S1R


Here is 6 inches of a 50 inch print file, a Sony A7R2 VS Sony A7R4 test file both shot with the Sony 70-200 f/4 at f/8, 1/200th of a second, 100 ISO, 200mm, and BOTH files were sized up using very basic methods and a touch of High Pass sharpening was added to the point where they looked relatively sharp but just shy of significant artifacting (this is not how I would size and sharpen them, but done just for the test).

This is not a perfect or conclusive test, but I have many, many more. What it, like the others, clearly shows to me is that unless we have some new breakthrough in glass quality, we are NOT giving the Sony A7R4 anywhere near 60 true megapixels of quality photons via our lens limitations. I have this test done with the best of lenses too, and I am still not impressed with the A7R4. I'll never buy one. Again, that is NOT to say that a beautiful print can not be had with the camera! But better, and easier enlargements can be made with other systems.

Another, better test, not shown here, is how the A7R3 BEATS the A7R4 clearly with great glass. The A7R4 produces bigger files, but when put to the test they rarely hold slightly more detail than about 42MP. They also have more noise! This is the biggest obstacle in pixel quality and enlargement capability. Noise has to be reduced (various types of blurring) to allow ideal sharpening...

With the exception of maybe 1 lens out there, shot it its absolute ideal f-stop, and lowest ISO the A7R4 in my strong opinion produces larger, but not higher quality or more detailed files. I have literally made hundreds of world class, huge size fine art gallery prints out of both cameras and the A7R3 is better. The A7R2 is not as good as the A7R3.

The Panasonic Lumix S1R is in a world of its own and blows away all three. The Panasonic Lumix S1R has had the highest rated 35mm sensor for years (under 3 medium format systems), since it came out. Interestingly the A7R3 (not the A7R4) rates next head to head with the Nikon D850.

***Sorry, but I have to travel and may not be able to respond here for a while.









A7R2 file (6 inches out of a 50 inch 300ppi file)







A7R4 file (6 inches out of a 50 inch 300ppi file)




Sep 16, 2022 at 07:20 AM
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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · 20 Year Monsoon


Beautiful!


Sep 19, 2022 at 12:35 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · 20 Year Monsoon


Terrific photo!



Sep 19, 2022 at 04:28 PM
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