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Yes, your point about shutter speed is well taken, though I think I see some (unintended) motion blurring in some shots. I am also
hoping that Tony will discuss how he works with, e.g., ISO 6400 and produces images with very well controlled noise (i.e. low) in the background while preserving subject detail.



Sep 17, 2022 at 11:05 AM
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I think what Imagemaster has posted are very good examples and clearly a lot of experience shows. I do think the photos that I referenced above by Molson are sharper. That is not to say that imagemaster is not sharp. But to my eye just not as sharp. This is a subjective opinion and not meant to be combative. It is what I see and others may differ. So the question really is what is acceptable sharpness and everyone finds their own threshold. I work for sharpness more in line with Molson but I usually fall short. My output is to print and not view on line though I will periodically post photos. But print is my end for taking a photo and I print up to poster size, Sharpness is very important to me. With that said I don't use shutter speeds as low as either of them have mostly shown. I agree that I need to revisit that since the sync IS with the OM-1 and my wife's 150-400 is excellent. I use higher shutter speeds from 1200 to 2000 because birds just don't stop moving. This drives up ISO and the need sometimes for noise removal and I don't think LRC is very good in this department. If I could achieve what I see to my eye in Molson's photos at those shutter speeds I will have attained something new to me. The challenge is on.


Sep 17, 2022 at 11:20 AM
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I shoot using the 100-400 which is not as sharp as the 150-400. As I shoot in higher shutter speed, I use DXO Raw 2 to remove noise, adjust in Camera Raw and Photoshop, then finish in Topaz Photo AI.

I will let ISO go to 12,800 BUT I am thinking I should be dropping shutter speed dramatically. With my Nikon D-500/500pf I routinely shot 1/3200 and that is what I am still doing.

Tom



Sep 17, 2022 at 12:12 PM
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FrankA373 wrote:
I think what Imagemaster has posted are very good examples and clearly a lot of experience shows. I do think the photos that I referenced above by Molson are sharper. That is not to say that imagemaster is not sharp. But to my eye just not as sharp. This is a subjective opinion and not meant to be combative. It is what I see and others may differ. So the question really is what is acceptable sharpness and everyone finds their own threshold. I work for sharpness more in line with Molson but I usually fall short. My output is
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As he often does, Imagemaster posted a photo just for attention - it had nothing to do with the lenses being discussed or the parallel discussion of nose-reduction software. That's not to say it isn't a nice photo, it's just not relevant to anything being discussed in this particular thread.



Sep 17, 2022 at 03:00 PM
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It doesn't matter to me why a person posts. I need whatever info I can get.

Frankly, after switching from Nikon to the OM-1/m.100-400 I have been stunned by the lack of information available about this combo. It seems that almost all professionals (Fred Rouse being the exception) shoot exclusively the 300f4 or the 15-400f4.5.

Tom



Sep 17, 2022 at 04:12 PM
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Gentlemen (and ladies). Thanks you so much for the experiences and the fabulous images! K is very excited but I'm making her wait until her birthday for her OM-1 and 100-400. She has a benign tremor which is why I stated her off with an Olympus and I think that's still the better system for her. Based on your images the 100-400 will suit her perfectly. She is not primarily a photographer (she's a full time painter specialising in Australian birds) and I'll be setting up some presets she can use to get her reference shots. This way she can keep her beloved PenF and my EM1 II and share her current lenses on the new body.

Luckily, I also happened to buy when Olympus was offering a small discount this weekend. So saved a few dollars as well.

So thanks again for your incredibly helpful information.

Gordon

p.s. Since this is cross posted on the Fuji forum. I also picked up the Fuji 150-600 for myself. I use Fuji's as my small format system and I have another Africa trip planned next year. I think this and the XH2 will be ideal for me and the 150-600 is not super easy to get in Oz at the moment so I grabbed it...

p.p.s Imagemasters shots were with the exact combination I have now and are about what we are currently getting. It was interesting to see that the 100-400 shots from Molson (thanks again) did show a useful improvement in IQ which with the massive update to the OM-1 should make K very happy.



Sep 17, 2022 at 05:01 PM
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It will be interesting to hear how the Fuji rig compares to the OM.


Sep 17, 2022 at 05:46 PM
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I think what Imagemaster has posted are very good examples and clearly a lot of experience shows. I do think the photos that I referenced above by Molson are sharper. That is not to say that imagemaster is not sharp. But to my eye just not as sharp. This is a subjective opinion and not meant to be combative. It is what I see and others may differ. So the question really is what is acceptable sharpness and everyone finds their own threshold. I work for sharpness more in line with Molson but I usually fall short. My output is
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As Molson often does, he thinks he is the Moderator, when he is more of a Sniper. Perhaps he just gets confused. He claims my post has nothing to do with the lenses being discussed, even though BEFORE I posted my image he posted molson wrote:
I guess there may be some "bad copies" of the Olympus 100-400 out there, ......


And I only posted one image 'for attention' compared to eight from Molson. I guess he wants more attention.

Maybe he has not been on this site long enough to have learned that most threads widen to other semi-related discussions, and that is not against any forum rules, and often provides additional information that other members may find helpful. Most long-time members have learned how to separate the wheat from the chaff instead of whining about it.

Perhaps Molson should use the software he mentioned - nose-reduction

He also has the option of using HIDE ME for my posts.



Sep 18, 2022 at 09:11 AM
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Catfight!

- - -

A general thought about MFT and APS-C and whatever else folks might think to be related:

I have photographer friends who use just about every format and system that exists from the well-know companies like Sony, Canon, Olympus, Fujifilm, Nikon, Pentax... to crazy expensive stuff from people like Phase One and even more exotic stuff... to large format film (in one case, only black and white).

Nobody wastes time fighting about which is The Format Of The Gods or which is The Best Format The World Will Ever See.

This doesn't mean that folks don't pay attention to the pluses and minuses that come along with every such choice or discuss why some medium and format might be great for one person who photographs X in condition Y while something else entirely might be best for another person who photographs A in condition B.

Among my friends is one who uses FF systems from (mostly) Sony and (occasionally, still) Canon, with lenses ranging from alt lenses to standard lens types from the camera manufacturer. He also often uses an Olympus MFT system for certain kinds of photography.

I happen to use FF and APS-C (Canon and Fujifilm), but that's not because either of my systems is God's Own Perfect System. It so happens that my FF system works pretty darned well for what and how I photograph certain subjects (though I'm sure that I would do as well with similar systems from Sony or Nikon)... and my APS-C system works really well for me with other subjects and situations. I'm quite sure that if I were using an Olympus MFT system instead that I would be really happy with it, too.

For example, the friend I mentioned above and I have shared wall space in a few exhibits, mostly at a gallery that represents our work. Often there are pieces hanging in proximity made on all of those systems and more FF, MFT, APS-C, Sony, Canon, Olympus, Fujifilm, Nikon, etc. And if you were to walk around the gallery, enjoying and closely inspecting the prints, you would be utterly unable to determine which system was used.

I happen to like my Fujifilm APS-C system a lot. I like its smaller-than-full frame body and lens sizes, the fact that it has quality to reliably produce 20" x 30" prints (and sometimes larger), the range of available lenses, the old-school physical interface of the cameras and lenses. On the other hand my friend likes the tight construction of the Olympus cameras, the even smaller size, the excellent image quality, and some of the very special lenses that range from excellent primes up too some beautiful (and small!) zoom lenses.

So anyone looking for a definitive A-is-better-then-B consensus is not going to find it. In the end it comes down to a personal matter of what fits best with your particular approach. These are not and should not be Holy War decisions. These are cameras, people, and there are excellent reasons that good photographers choose every one of these brands and formats and then use them to produce excellent photography.

Dan



Sep 18, 2022 at 10:16 AM
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flash wrote:
Gentlemen (and ladies). Thanks you so much for the experiences and the fabulous images! K is very excited but I'm making her wait until her birthday for her OM-1 and 100-400. She has a benign tremor which is why I stated her off with an Olympus and I think that's still the better system for her. Based on your images the 100-400 will suit her perfectly. She is not primarily a photographer (she's a full time painter specialising in Australian birds) and I'll be setting up some presets she can use to get her reference shots. This way she can
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I am interested in your experience with the 150-600 as it is one thing I am considering, the other being the XF 100-400. The alternative would be going back to the OM system with the OM-1 (never had one) and the Olympus 100-400mm lens (previously had the Panasonic 100-400mm) or the Olympus 300mm. The 150-400 is beyond my dedicated resources.




Sep 18, 2022 at 10:43 AM
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weomck wrote:
I've had the OM-1 with 150-400 for a few months now and am very pleased with the results.
But I just ordered the XH2S with 150-600 from adorama since they're finally in stock.
Will report back after a few weeks of use...
-Leo


Curious to hear about your experience with the Fuji combo as compared to Olympus. I sold off the last of my Fuji kit earlier this year (mainly X-T4/200 F2), but I still have the Olympus with the 150-400. In my experience, there were definite pros and cons to either system, but both very enjoyable and reliable to use with time and practice

For $4K the 150-600/XH2 is a compelling buy versus $10K for the OM kit



Sep 18, 2022 at 12:32 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Catfight!

- - -

A general thought about MFT and APS-C and whatever else folks might think to be related:

So anyone looking for a definitive A-is-better-then-B consensus is not going to find it. In the end it comes down to a personal matter of what fits best with your particular approach. These are not and should not be Holy War decisions. These are cameras, people, and there are excellent reasons that good photographers choose every one of these brands and formats and then use them to produce excellent photography.

Dan


This is by far the most accurate and distinctive comment on the subject of camera system selection I've yet seen. I got beaten up plenty over letting my R5 and RF L lens collection go to put together my current OM-1 and Pro glass system. Having been a professional over the last 25 years just as Dan said, the selections often came based on what was going to do the job. I've had nearly ALL brands and levels over those years. Canon, Nikon, Sony, Olympus and Panasonic. At any given time they did the job. I simply found, after receiving an OM-1 to work with, that it met all my needs and lightened my load. At 68 with both shoulders having been redone and a bad back it addresses some needs the others don't while still giving me the results I need. Just as Dan said there is NO end all be all for all.



Sep 18, 2022 at 12:50 PM
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dcisive wrote:
This is by far the most accurate and distinctive comment on the subject of camera system selection I've yet seen.


Yes, and it can all be said in one sentence:

There is no such thing as the perfect camera or lens, and the best one varies with every photographer and what each is using it for.

Period.



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dcisive wrote:
This is by far the most accurate and distinctive comment on the subject of camera system selection I've yet seen. I got beaten up plenty over letting my R5 and RF L lens collection go to put together my current OM-1 and Pro glass system. Having been a professional over the last 25 years just as Dan said, the selections often came based on what was going to do the job. I've had nearly ALL brands and levels over those years. Canon, Nikon, Sony, Olympus and Panasonic. At any given time they did the job. I simply found, after receiving
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Indeed! There are good reasons to choose virtually any of the available options these days, and the question isn't which brand, format or system is "best" in some general, universal way... it is which system or systems fit my particular needs.

And to those asking these questions because you are trying to decide what to buy... and you don't want to make a mistake: Rather than posing the questions as "which brand is best" it can be useful to try something along the lines of "here's what I do photographically, and here's what I'm thinking would work well," and then asking for feedback. Of course, expect that some of the feedback will be the usual absolutist stuff, often delivered with a certain degree of hostility. You can mostly ignore those people. :-)

Dan




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I have used forums and evaluations for two reasons:

1-To decide what I wanted to upgrade to. I had a Nikon D-500/500pf +300pf which took great pictures. The problem was the lack of flexibility with the fixed lenses. I decided I needed a zoom. My second criteria was-weight. I wanted to carry as little as possible. My choices came down to the Canon R-7/100-500 and the OM-1/100-400. I chose the OM-1 because of the physical characteristics of the lens.

2-Now that I have made that choice, I use forums and evaluations to determine how to use my rig best.

Regards,

Tom



Sep 18, 2022 at 04:12 PM
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Speaking of that combo Tom, I too really enjoy working with the OM-1 with the Olympus 100-400 on the end. Most often don't even bother with the TC on it. The strange thing I have found is the best results I'm getting is with the IS on the lens OFF not ON, which surprises me. The IBIS is seemingly the best way to go at the long end of shooting with that combo. Don't know why but so far that's what I've run into. It is getting great results that way. The other new fav is that 12-100 f4 Pro lens, which was a real surprise. That sucker is sharp one end to the other. Remarkable for a so-called super zoom design. Love the build. I have my Fn button on it set to switch to HDR which on this camera is the best HDR in camera I've ever tried.


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Tom Reynolds wrote:
I have used forums and evaluations for two reasons:

1-To decide what I wanted to upgrade to. I had a Nikon D-500/500pf +300pf which took great pictures. The problem was the lack of flexibility with the fixed lenses. I decided I needed a zoom. My second criteria was-weight. I wanted to carry as little as possible. My choices came down to the Canon R-7/100-500 and the OM-1/100-400. I chose the OM-1 because of the physical characteristics of the lens.

2-Now that I have made that choice, I use forums and evaluations to determine how to use my rig best.

Regards,

Tom


Yea I agree Tom. Now that we have the equipment maybe we all should be sharing more about how the equipment works to help others to get the most out of it. I learn a lot from trail and error and forum tips here and there. I should take the time and share back what I've learned in tech tips posting. But sadly time, life and commitments get in the way.

The other thing that gets in the way is the internet keyboard clackers that are not kind to what you might have to offer. So causes one to stay silent and avoids those conflicts. I like Dan mentioning,(out of context of course) ... "here's what I do photographically,"... It may not be how most will use the same camera, I use settings and modes quite differently than mainstream shooters. I was told once, "It is not the process leading you capturing the image, but the proof is in the results".

Cheers, Patrick



Sep 18, 2022 at 04:52 PM
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I am struggling with using ProCapture and I find d@mn little about it. I see several modes for ProCap SH2 @ 25/50 F/S.

1-Normal waiting-for-bird-to-takeoff if I am hand-held. I can hold, half-press, on a bird for less than 2 min and I can't do that often. My arm will be useless for weeks if not months.
2-Using a monopod while sitting on a walkstool. I can hold for somewhat longer.
3-Shooting from a blind, sitting on a chair, camera on a tripod. In this mode I can use the iPhone app to hold half-press and to take the shot.

I am working on using the Iphone in mode 2 (monopod/chair) but it looks like I need 3 hands.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Tom



Sep 18, 2022 at 05:52 PM
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Tom not sure if this will help or not

https://blog.martinbelan.com/2022/04/09/how-to-use-bird-detection-af-with-pro-capture-on-the-om-system-om-1/

Have been playing pro capture some and am struggling. But over time will figure it out. Right now just learning how to use camera



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ElliotV wrote:
I am interested in your experience with the 150-600 as it is one thing I am considering, the other being the XF 100-400. The alternative would be going back to the OM system with the OM-1 (never had one) and the Olympus 100-400mm lens (previously had the Panasonic 100-400mm) or the Olympus 300mm. The 150-400 is beyond my dedicated resources.


Can't say anything about the OM gear, but for Fujifilm, and having used them both, the XF150-600 is vastly superior to the XF100-400 in every respect except possibly size and weight,





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