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I guess there may be some "bad copies" of the Olympus 100-400 out there, but I was pretty satisfied with the sharpness, even with the 1.4x and 2x teleconverters. When you get out to around 100m from the camera (as in the last image below) atmospheric haze and distortion can hamper image quality, but all lenses are affected by this.

Considering this is one of the least expensive 100-400 zooms on the market, it's probably the best one in terns of value.

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Sep 15, 2022 at 09:42 AM
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molson wrote:
I guess there may be some "bad copies" of the Olympus 100-400 out there, but I was pretty satisfied with the sharpness, even with the 1.4x and 2x teleconverters. When you get out to around 100m from the camera (as in the last image below) atmospheric haze and distortion can hamper image quality, but all lenses are affected by this.

Considering this is one of the least expensive 100-400 zooms on the market, it's probably the best one in terns of value.


Well done. Have no complaints with my 100-400 either. Any problems is usually my doing, not the lens



Sep 15, 2022 at 11:41 AM
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Very nice. Especially with the 2X converter. I didnít think you could get that sharp with the 2X. The other thing is shutter speed is lower than I thought could be reasonable. The post processing is very nice too. Do you do classes for it? Lol.

molson wrote:
I guess there may be some "bad copies" of the Olympus 100-400 out there, but I was pretty satisfied with the sharpness, even with the 1.4x and 2x teleconverters. When you get out to around 100m from the camera (as in the last image below) atmospheric haze and distortion can hamper image quality, but all lenses are affected by this.

Considering this is one of the least expensive 100-400 zooms on the market, it's probably the best one in terns of value.




Sep 15, 2022 at 12:12 PM
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FrankA373 wrote:
Very nice. Especially with the 2X converter. I didnít think you could get that sharp with the 2X. The other thing is shutter speed is lower than I thought could be reasonable. The post processing is very nice too. Do you do classes for it? Lol.



You don't want to take a class from me - I barely know what I'm doing!

I process the high ISO shots in DxO PureRAW 2 to get rid of the noise, and then mostly just tweak the highlights and shadows in LRc. I guess if I had a YouTube channel I could make a preset and sell it for big bucks...



Sep 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM
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I generally shoot at much higher shutter speeds to avoid subject motion. That means more noise. My solution:
1-Shhot at the right side of the histogram
2-Run the shot through DXO Pure Raw 2 or DXO Photolab 5 outputting as a DNG file.
3-Adjust in Photoshop Camera Raw, then Photoshop
4-Run through Topaz Photo AI (Beta 0.10.2) mostly to adjust sharpening or low resolution. Topaz AI masks the bird and sharpens it selectively.

I also barely know what I am doing



Sep 15, 2022 at 02:22 PM
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I do much the same. DxO for noise and LRC for exposure highlights and shadows. Your idea for topaz is interesting.


Sep 15, 2022 at 02:58 PM
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Well frankly DXO Photolab 5 Prime can do ALL that with just a couple of clicks. if it says Adobe on it I stay away from it. The profiles in DXO are as perfect as it gets. As for noise reduction away from DXO I feel ON1 has it done better then Topaz at this time.


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molson wrote:
I guess there may be some "bad copies" of the Olympus 100-400 out there, but I was pretty satisfied with the sharpness, even with the 1.4x and 2x teleconverters. When you get out to around 100m from the camera (as in the last image below) atmospheric haze and distortion can hamper image quality, but all lenses are affected by this.

Considering this is one of the least expensive 100-400 zooms on the market, it's probably the best one in terns of value.


I totally agree. I'm so thrilled with the performance all around, be it sharpness and speed of the 100-400 I got from Olympus that I have no burning desire for a prime,, or that absurdly expensive 150-400. The size isn't burdensome and it's focus lock speeds are right where it needs to be. I don't shoot in low light so no doubt that helps.



Sep 15, 2022 at 05:03 PM
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Yes, I agree that DXO PhotoLab 5 can do it all, but I don't know how to use it yet. I do know how to use Camera Raw.

This new Topaz, Topaz Photo AI is very good at automatically masking a bird so only the bird, not the background gets sharpened, ruining all DXO Pure Raw's work. Generally, Topaz Photo AI recognizes that the noise level is low, so it does not disturb what Pure Raw has done.

Another issue, low resolution, is a fact of cropping an image. Of course, DXO outputs a large DNG image but after cropping the GigaPixel AI feature of Photo AI is occasionally useful.



Sep 15, 2022 at 05:44 PM
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galenapass wrote:
>snip<

This is not a very impressive Fuji AFC video, but I don't think this guy is using great lenses.



Grandads Reviews answers to someone's inquiry in the comments to his video that he "was using the 70-300mm", if that helps.

FWIW, I'm never impressed with watching anyone's video review for AF performance if they haven't taken the time to work with a system extensively to learn, and then make use of, the various AF settings (such as focus limiting, menu system priority options, etc.) for their system (both camera and lens) and come to know how it performs in various lighting situations and what it can and cannot do well.

The best I can assume in watching that review (and its ilk) is that the camera and lens were set to their factory defaults...perhaps some folks find merit in viewing an out-of-box experience? That the reviewer was, er, less-than-pleased that their camera's internal, um, "purty dancing AF boxes" computations could not match the performance of their own eye-brain system does not surprise this viewer. And I most certainly would not make any "brand" judgements on such a test. (Disclaimer: I've yet to be impressed by such C-AF systems for action from any brand. Haw!)

Steering back on-topic, I'm curious of the X-H2S's image quality user assessments in this thread.



Sep 15, 2022 at 07:37 PM
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No DXO or Topaz, just old Photoshop and old E-M1 MkII.




  E-M1MarkII    LEICA DG 100-400/F4.0-6.3 lens    400mm    f/6.3    1/100s    64 ISO    0.0 EV  




Sep 15, 2022 at 08:45 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
No DXO or Topaz, just old Photoshop and old E-M1 MkII.


Why would anyone use DxO for shots taken at ISO 64?



Sep 16, 2022 at 07:54 PM
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molson wrote:
Why would anyone use DxO for shots taken at ISO 64?


Since I have never used it, how the hell would I know or care??

Substitute any other software that has come out since 2017, when that shot was taken, if that makes you happy.



Sep 16, 2022 at 09:58 PM
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Nice shot.


Sep 16, 2022 at 10:31 PM
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Tom Reynolds wrote:
Nice shot.





Sep 16, 2022 at 10:36 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
Since I have never used it, how the hell would I know or care??
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Ah, yes... ignorance is bliss.



Sep 16, 2022 at 11:12 PM
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You should know, since you appear to be the only one that did not get the point of my posted image and the accompaning comments.

I have never used Lightroom ether. Is that another problem for you?

The image happens to show how well the E-M1 MkII with the 100-400 can perform. It seems other members appreciate that example.




Sep 17, 2022 at 08:46 AM
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Oldies




  E-M1MarkIII    M.100-400mm F5.0-6.3 + MC-14 lens    560mm    f/9.0    1/2000s    6400 ISO    0.0 EV  






  E-M1MarkIII    M.100-400mm F5.0-6.3 + MC-14 lens    560mm    f/9.0    1/8s    800 ISO    +0.5 EV  






  E-M1MarkIII    M.100-400mm F5.0-6.3 + MC-14 lens    560mm    f/9.5    1/2000s    1600 ISO    0.0 EV  






  E-M1MarkIII    M.300mm F4.0 + MC-14 lens    420mm    f/5.6    1/500s    3200 ISO    +1.0 EV  




Sep 17, 2022 at 08:56 AM
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Dear Imagemaster Re: Oldies.

The Oldies are wonderful artistically and technically.

Many of the members of the forum use noise reduction software and modern raw converters, such as DXO, in an attempt to reach the technical level of the Oldies. I am assuming the success of your method is based on the fundamentals of your capture technique. Please discuss your exposure technique and processing workflow.



Sep 17, 2022 at 10:14 AM
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I find Tony's pictures quite informative even though an E-M1iii not an OM-1 was used. The shots do show that the m.100-400 lens is quite good.

However, what is interesting to me is that the shutter speed is well below, dramatically below, what I have been using. Maybe I worry too much about subject movement.

Tom



Sep 17, 2022 at 10:28 AM
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