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Archive 2022 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

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p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

He must’ve bought a dud…

agvogel wrote:
Thom(Tom?) swapped his 24-120 for a 24-70 2.8 in his latest video:

I personally have been more than happy with the f4 version (and I've owned both - sold the 2.8. It turns out he must have been pixel-peeping after all

Sep 02, 2022 at 03:04 PM

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p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Cant speak for the Z system but for F that was normal. Some people swore on the AF-S 24-120mm f4, others said its not that good.

Sep 02, 2022 at 03:54 PM

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p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

To clarify - I meant I've been happy with the 24-70 f4. I was surprised he'd pick up such a heavy lens in the 24-70 2.8. I've never had the 24-120 to comment on it.

Sep 02, 2022 at 03:55 PM

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p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Thomas Heaton bought his Fuji 50R second-hand from Adam Gibbs when Adam upgraded to the Fuji GFX100 or 100S. Any suggestion that Heaton is a clickbait YouTuber is completely erroneous – his channel is dedicated to location shooting in the best light and weather, including van topics and camping. He does experiment with various cameras from time to time, but really that shouldn’t surprise anyone here.

His decision to change to a Nikon Z7II, 24-120 and 100-400 was a surprise, but he explained the reasoning thoroughly. I used to think that his pack was way to heavy for enjoyable hiking, so the need to reduce weight was obvious.

Sep 03, 2022 at 07:14 AM

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p.5 #5 · p.5 #5 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

His weight savings just went out the window now that he has the 24-70 f2.8. 805g for the Nikon vs 872g for the Fuji 32-64. I think I would have sent the 24-120 in to Nikon to see if something was wrong with it. Everyone I’ve seen says it’s a great lens.

Sep 04, 2022 at 07:01 AM

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Harold Carlson wrote:
Everyone I’ve seen says it’s a great lens.

But how many of them have compared it side-by-side with the 24-70mm f2.8? Some members here are very vocal about the 24-120, but so far, I don't remember seeing a side-by-side review anywhere.

There are some comparisons of the 24-70mm f2.8 and f4.0 and the former seems to come out ahead comfortably, which also matches my own impression having used both. And based on Nikon's MTF and reviews I've seen, I'd expect the 24-120mm to be more similar to the 24-70mm f4..

I still kept the 24-70mm f4.0 over the f2.8 because the performance difference is not relevant enough for me to justify the cost and weight difference. And I guess you could say the same about Mr Heaton's use cases. Actually, I wouldn't be too surprised if he picks up the 24-120mm again at some point, or even the 24-200mm

Sep 04, 2022 at 08:37 AM

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Sauseschritt wrote:
Cant speak for the Z system but for F that was normal. Some people swore on the AF-S 24-120mm f4, others said its not that good.

isn't that always the way things fall on the curve?

Sep 04, 2022 at 08:51 AM

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p.5 #8 · p.5 #8 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

I found the 24-70/2.8 better than the 24-70/4 at all focal lengths and stops. The difference was either noticeable only at 100% (towards 70mm and/or stopping down) or significant at 8x10 (towards 24mm and wide open). Both lenses are excellent. If my primary use for the lens weren’t shooting people, I would have stayed with the f/4, cause it’s good enough and it’s much smaller/lighter/cheaper.

I haven’t shot the 24-120, so I don’t know what to make of it. It gets good reviews, but I’m familiar with the phenomena where reviews for large zooms tend to have an implied “for a big zoom” in their qualitative statements, and when you get your hands on your own you’re surprised to see that it in no way measures up to more modest lenses. I’d have to shoot it myself to decide.

In that vein, I also really like the 24-200. It’s sharp enough for 20x30 prints, so long as you don’t shoot wide open at 24mm, and you only have to be a bit careful to avoid PF in the extreme corners in very bright skies. The advantage is a huge zoom range, great AF performance, and a small package.

Sep 04, 2022 at 09:45 AM

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p.5 #9 · p.5 #9 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Re the Z 24mm to whatever zooms, I’ve owned them all. The 2.8 is marginally better than the f4 at f4; not significantly so at the 24 end but more notable at 70. At f5.6 there isn’t much between them other than size and weight, they are both excellent. So if you shoot regularly in the f2.8-4.5 range, the 2.8 is the winner.

From there, the 24-120 is about equal to the 24-70/4, but perhaps a hair better at 24 wide open. Again by f5.6, not much between them other than length.

The 24-200 is remarkably good in the same 24-120 range, but a hair behind the 24-120 overall and optically slower. After 120 the IQ wanes a bit but still quite good, albeit slow optically.

I think Ricci has a good comparison if folks need to compare performance at 200%.

PS: I personally decided on the 24-120 for its versatility. If I need faster optically, I mount a prime. But I would not hesitate buying another 24-70/2.8 —adding it, not replacing anything— if I found myself needing faster optics and flexibility over that range — but as of yet, that hasn’t happened…

Sep 04, 2022 at 10:12 AM

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p.5 #10 · p.5 #10 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Just wanted to say that I've followed Heaton for years now, and he was very likely the first photographer that I subbed to on YT. I followed him because he was honest, relatable, genuine, and non-gear oriented. He just seemed like a good dude that you can easily hang out with. And he still is that guy. Sure, he's up to 500k subs and he's had to play the algorithm game, but his sincerity is still there. In fact, when I think about how much work it takes to release vids on a weekly basis and not go stale, it's nuts. I don't think in any way, shape, or form, that his reason to switch to Nikon was to garner clicks.

Sep 06, 2022 at 09:03 PM

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p.5 #11 · p.5 #11 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Let's bring this post back to the top :-)

Jun 28, 2023 at 12:50 PM

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p.5 #12 · p.5 #12 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Why? This is such an old thread?

Jun 28, 2023 at 03:09 PM

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p.5 #13 · p.5 #13 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

I left a lengthy bullet-pointed comment on one of his recent videos on the Z8 explaining why he should consider carrying the extra weight instead of sticking with the 7ii…guess he read it

He posted a nice long-form video using the Z8 on a recent trip, putting it through his paces (and came away saying he still has a lot to learn about it).

Jun 28, 2023 at 04:42 PM

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p.5 #14 · p.5 #14 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

All I know is I wrung the heck out of a 24-120 f4 S I got along with a Z9 and found that sucker clinically sharp one end to the other. No way I'm giving it up for any other focal length version. I've typically always had f2.8 24-70's in the past but this is one time I'm sticking with what I have in the 24-120.

Jun 28, 2023 at 06:07 PM

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p.5 #15 · p.5 #15 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Has he actually bought any Nikon gear yet, or is he still just using their loaners, along with his Canon, Fuji X and GFX, and Hasselblad gear?

Jun 28, 2023 at 07:44 PM

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p.5 #16 · p.5 #16 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

I'm pretty sure he's still using loaners from Nikon. The yellow Shimoda bags they are all using all of a sudden I bet aren't loaners but gifts

Jun 28, 2023 at 07:53 PM

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p.5 #17 · p.5 #17 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

ksmmike wrote:
I'm pretty sure he's still using loaners from Nikon. The yellow Shimoda bags they are all using all of a sudden I bet aren't loaners but gifts

Nope....according to a recent video he had to either send his lenses back or buy them. Probably had to buy the Z7II as well, or probably the Z8 now considering Thomas' new found interest in wildlife escapades.

Jun 28, 2023 at 08:05 PM

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p.5 #18 · p.5 #18 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

Yes, I remembered he chose 24-70mm f/4 and yes, he already liked Z8. He would have to buy it too if he wanted.

Jun 28, 2023 at 10:37 PM

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ksmmike wrote:
I'm pretty sure he's still using loaners from Nikon. The yellow Shimoda bags they are all using all of a sudden I bet aren't loaners but gifts

Jun 28, 2023 at 11:32 PM

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p.5 #20 · p.5 #20 · Thom Heaton swaps GFX to Z7ii

A recent Tom Heaton vid showed up in my y.t. feed. (I am subscribed to his channel, but do not closely follow it.) It looks like he “will be buying” a Z8, after originally saying he would stay with the Z7 II.

I have “no dog in this hunt,” personally, as I am still using D850, D5, and some even older Nikon bodies, so, do not need anyone to validate my choices. Not anti-Z; just no hurry, after our massive upgrade cycle in 2017-2018. (My wife does use a Z6, occasionally.) I am paying attention to comparisons of the Z7 II and Z8.

Jun 29, 2023 at 10:02 AM

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