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Archive 2022 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

Is the 2021 R5 the direct successor of the 2015 5Ds R & 2016 5D Mark IV?

If yes then in light of inflation it is such a bargain at $3,899 as the older 6yr & 5yr bodies were released for $3,899 & $3,499 back in the day.

Exciting times ahead for photographers for the next 5 years.

Jul 21, 2022 at 03:13 PM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

When it comes to electronics it's very usual to get more for less money as time goes on.

In 2002 the 11.1 MP Canon 1Ds was priced at $8000.
In 2004 the 16.7 MP Canon 1Ds Mk II was priced at $8000
In 2007 the 21.1 MP Canon 1Ds Mk III was priced at $7000
In 2013 the 18.1 MP Canon 1DX was priced at $6800
In 2016 the 20.2 MP Canon 1DX Mk III was priced at $6500

Of course each generation added features like 14-bit files in the 1Ds Mk III, progressively more and better AF points, etc. Then comes mirrorless with fewer mechanical parts, which brings down manufacturing costs.

I would say the R5 gives what we should expect for the price, but I wouldn't say it's a bargain relative to everything else that's available in the market.

IMO

Jul 21, 2022 at 04:04 PM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

R5 is arguably 5DsR successor having roughly the same mp. The prices on bodies really aren't bad 5DsR still $3900 new as recently as Christmas 2019 IIRC. Of course much less used at that point. R6 is still less than 5D4 new.

Jul 21, 2022 at 04:15 PM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

dmcphoto wrote:
I would say the R5 gives what we should expect for the price, but I wouldn't say it's a bargain relative to everything else that's available in the market.

IMO

Yes, this is probably the salient point. *Almost all* newer cameras can be said to be bargains in terms of performance and features relative to older models. Value still has to be gauged against contemporaries though.

Jul 21, 2022 at 05:52 PM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

Some folks feel it is not, as the 5DSR was roughly twice the 'average' (however one chooses to define that) resolution of the market at the time. R5 has a number more competitors in its resolution range now. Some expect a true 5DSR replacement in the R line will have 80-100mp. Time will tell.

Functionally R5 out performs the 5D series in a lot of ways. Spiritually it is the analog, just evolved.

In the end, it doesn't matter as long as we're out taking pictures.

-Brian

Jul 21, 2022 at 08:05 PM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

I say no. It's an R5. It is what it is, as simple as that.
If it was a direct successor, it would be to either 5DSr or 5DIV, not both.
I don't see a reason to try to place it in a box with a relationship to older models.
It's specs and features have been discussed thoroughly by now. It's still early in Canon's move to mirrorless.
Just like the first effort EOS R, in time it will increasingly be regarded as an early generation of Canon mirrorless bodies. Due to it's sibling R6, it will be 'the higher res' one.

Jul 21, 2022 at 09:08 PM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

jedibrain wrote:
Some folks feel it is not, as the 5DSR was roughly twice the 'average' (however one chooses to define that) resolution of the market at the time. R5 has a number more competitors in its resolution range now. Some expect a true 5DSR replacement in the R line will have 80-100mp. Time will tell.

Functionally R5 out performs the 5D series in a lot of ways. Spiritually it is the analog, just evolved.

In the end, it doesn't matter as long as we're out taking pictures.

-Brian

Back in 2015 when i was announced it was subtly marketed as the cheapest way to comply with client requirements for native 50 megapixels images.

Native 50 megapixel images back then were only achievable through medium format cameras.

This is reflective of the ISO range of the 5Ds R that is identical to the 2008 5D Mark II.

Jul 22, 2022 at 05:12 AM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

The R5 may be 'the replacement' camera for the 5DIV, but it's not a replacement for the 5DS/R. That'll take 75MP+, hopefully more like the 100MP now in discussion.

Jul 22, 2022 at 07:19 AM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

Since when does a 'successor' have the same or fewer MP? The R5 was never marketed by Canon in the same manner that the 5Ds was, and the camera is clearly more of a mirrorless 5D IV, for all intents and purposes.

Hopefully the R-version of the 5Ds will ditch most of the superfluous video hardware/features. Not holding my breath...

Jul 22, 2022 at 09:12 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

Jeff wrote:
Hopefully the R-version of the 5Ds will ditch most of the superfluous video hardware/features. Not holding my breath...

Newer photo services have a connection to video so having a 2-in-1 device helps.

Can a future R5s R have a100 megapixels full frame image sensor?

Only medium format bodies I've seen with tha resolution are as follows

- $6k 2018 Fuji GFX 100

- $10k 2021 Fuji GFX 100s

- $33k 2018 Hasselblad H6D-100c

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Jul 22, 2022 at 09:37 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

dolina wrote:
Is the 2021 R5 the direct successor of the 2015 5Ds R & 2016 5D Mark IV?

If yes then in light of inflation it is such a bargain at $3,899 as the older 6yr & 5yr bodies were released for $3,899 & $3,499 back in the day.

Exciting times ahead for photographers for the next 5 years.

The R5 seems like the intended "successor" to the 5DIV, but to the 5Ds/5DsR.

That assessment is complicated by the fact that the R5 has almost the same sensor resolution as the 5DsR. 45MP is quite a lot— hardly distinguishable from the 50MP of the 5Ds/5DsR — and to get it in a camera that also provides 5DIV-like functionality is appealing.

I think we still expect Canon to produce (likely in the next year?) and even higher MP camera that is more like a real successor to the 5DsR. Best guess is that it would emphasize highest-possible resolution over things like high ISO and system speed.

Your point about costs is good. People sometimes forget that when measured against a steadily increasing cost of living the prices current cameras are still quiet good.

Jul 22, 2022 at 09:47 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

A Google search should find the interview with a Canon director telling us that the R5 is the successor, in mirrorless form, to the 5DIV. He confirmed then that there would be no DSLR successor and that the R5 was the only successor given DSLR's abandonment.

It isn't meant to be a 5Ds successor. We could expect a higher MP R5 to do that role.

The R was aimed at being a mirrorless alternative to the 5DIV; not a successor, not a direct replacement, but with the same sensor in mirrorless.

All this can be found via interviews etc. and was discussed at length when the models were originally announced.

While many people have their own thoughts as to where models sit and their intended purpose, if Canon say it is something, then that is what it is, regardless of what people think - they decide the lineage.

Jul 22, 2022 at 12:46 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

PhotoCyclist wrote:
While many people have their own thoughts as to where models sit and their intended purpose, if Canon say it is something, then that is what it is, regardless of what people think - they decide the lineage.

Well, maybe. And maybe not. ;-)

There's that famous claim that the 1Dx line was going to meet the needs of 1D-series users and 1Ds-series users. That, of course, wasn't the case. The 1Dx did a fine job of continuing the 1D-series, but most of the former 1Ds users had moved or soon would to the 5-D series.

I'd agree to a slightly revised version of your point though. While what Canon (or any camera manufacturer's marketing department) says may or may not clearly describe the purpose of gear, but what the company _does_ is a good indicator.

dan

Jul 22, 2022 at 01:57 PM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

Off topic, but I am just glad to see that we *finally* got our long-awaited successor to the EOS 3, complete with eye-controlled focus (and a much higher price) no less. Canon just had to skip the entire DSLR era to do so.

Jul 22, 2022 at 04:09 PM

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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

garyvot wrote:
Off topic, but I am just glad to see that we *finally* got our long-awaited successor to the EOS 3, complete with eye-controlled focus (and a much higher price) no less. Canon just had to skip the entire DSLR era to do so.

I think many of you will be too young (or too new to the Canon system) to care, but the "mythical EOS-3D" was a long-standing unicorn in these forums for years.

The speculation was that both "3D" and "D3" were too awkward to use as monikers. And indeed, Canon finally did release this model almost as soon as...Show more →

I wonder whythey did not instead release a R1? Are they planning to have an R1 and R3 concurrently? Is the $6k & higher double grip flagship pro body market larger than previous?

Jul 22, 2022 at 04:43 PM

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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Is the Canon R5 the direct sucessor of the 5Ds R & 5D Mark IV?

I agree with the OP in stating it is a relative bargain. There's no other camera under $5500 that can match it, and some can't beat it until you reach $6500.

Its not cheap, but it is a good deal. I think the "bargain" part is short term because it was first to the market and has had things all to itself. But IMO, value for capability on the top end of the market, there is no match.

Jul 25, 2022 at 06:14 PM


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