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Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L

  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


I've got a 3-week Arctic cruise trip coming up and trying to figure out my travel kit for the landscapes, bears, walruses, foxes, birds, etc.

My current gear is just a M5 with 18-150mm & 11-22mm lenses, and doesn't really handle wildlife well (slow AF, short reach). I'll need to add a different wildlife body and telephoto lens.

Ideally, I would've bought the R7 and RF 100-400 and be done, but I can't find the R7 or R10 in stock.

I plan to keep a EF-M travel kit and thought of upgrading my M5 to M6 II. I can buy a M6 II + adapter, and buy or rent a EF 100-400L II. The M5 & M6 can backup each other and I can sell the M5 when I get back. I've never used the M6 II but I've read good things about its AF.

The other option would be to look to RF mount. I would either buy the RF 100-400 or rent the RF 100-500L. The AF on R/RP seems too slow for wildlife so I'll need to rent either a R5 or R6. This gets expensive for 3-4 weeks of rental.

Basically, the options seem to be:
Option #1: buy/rent EF 100-400L II, buy M6 + adapter (~$350 rental fee, ~$800-900 to own M6 but for dying EF-M line)
Option #2: buy RF 100-400, rent R5 or R6 ($350 R6 or $550 R5 rental fee, $650 to buy/own lens but without RF body to use)
Option #3: rent RF 100-500L, rent R5 or R6 ($700 R6 or $900 R5 rental fees, nothing owned, but playing with latest tech)

I like Options #1 and #3 best, but...
#1 leaves me with an upgrade to M6 II but not sure how it compares to R5/R6's AF & tracking, but also function as backup with M5.
#3 R5 + 100-500L gives me reach + IBIS for potentially better trip photos (no guarantee) but costs $$$ in rental fees with nothing left to own, and isn't a compatible backup with my M5 during the trip.

I've also only owned/used various Rebel series and 80D so not sure if the R5/R6 might be too much to learn/handle.

I'm curious if anyone likes Option #2, or if renting a R6 is good enough and save the $200 in rental fees from renting a R5.



Jul 02, 2022 at 06:27 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


The R5 and 100-500 are really nice. Rent if necessary.

EBH



Jul 02, 2022 at 07:05 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


Buy a 5dsr and get 70to300 or 100to400. Jp


Jul 02, 2022 at 07:26 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


I used the 5DsR with 100-400 II for about 5 years, but the R5 w/100-500 is generally a better combination for wildlife due to the much higher FPS, buffer throughput, and more controlled noise at high ISO. The extra 100mm (25%) reach is quite useful.

EBH



Jul 02, 2022 at 07:47 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


If you buy the M6 MK II, be sure to budget for the EVF-DC1/2. I'd hate to use the 100-400 at arm's length.


Jul 02, 2022 at 08:05 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


Gochugogi wrote:
If you buy the M6 MK II, be sure to budget for the EVF-DC1/2. I'd hate to use the 100-400 at arm's length.


Yup, I've half-heartedly wondered if I could get away without a viewfinder, but I feel I'll regret that decision.

I'm used to shooting landscapes and other stationary subjects with just the screen, but have not tried panning moving subjects without a viewfinder.



Jul 02, 2022 at 08:21 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


I do use the M6 II as my 'ultimate reach' wildlife set up (no R5, R6 back when I got mine). I would class its AF as 'fine' but lagging considerably behind the newer options, wouldn't buy one today if the main purpose for it is to be a wildlife camera.

As for what option you should take with you, it really depends on what results you are after. I think your M5 + 100-400L would fine for stationary to slow moving subjects and I believe to be the most cost effective option. (and I don't think the change to M6 II will meaningfully change that experience)

Of course the best experience would be renting the R5 + 100-500mm, I don't think learning the camera will be the issue if you have experience with Canon cameras already. The hard thing is finding and keeping track of a fast moving moving subject at 500mm so you can really take advantage of the advanced AF the R5 has to offer. Could be a nice experiment to see if you enjoy this type of photography.

btw, $900 for renting R5 & 100-500L for 3 weeks is extraordinarily cheap me for me who is based in the UK, a quick search and I am being quoted £2067.12 (~$2500)



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Jul 02, 2022 at 09:18 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


You can also rent the M6II for $180 for three weeks. I did like the M6II's AF better than that of the M5, but I didn't have them at the same time, rather the M6II a year or so after the M5. But I mostly used it for people photos and the face/eye AF of the M6II was great to have. And AF in general from the M6II was a lot more responsive, I thought. For long lens use you definitely would want the EVF to follow moving subjects. Imagine trying to do that in bright sunlight that makes the rear LCD too dark to really see what's happening.

It's too bad LR won't have the R7 available until September. If there's still time, maybe you can scour the USA for an R7. Supposedly it's easier to find in kit form and from smaller retailers.



Jul 02, 2022 at 10:16 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


LS_Ren wrote:
Of course the best experience would be renting the R5 + 100-500mm, I don't think learning the camera will be the issue if you have experience with Canon cameras already. The hard thing is finding and keeping track of a fast moving moving subject @500mm@ so you can really take advantage of the advanced AF the R5 has to offer. Could be a nice experiment to see if you enjoy this type of photography.


Starting wide and zooming in solves many acquistion issues unlike with the 600/4 RF.
I'm not sure if yoiu intended to tagged the member 500mm.

EBH



Jul 02, 2022 at 11:23 PM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


Option 3 definitely.

JD



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


You could go with option #4. Purchase both the R5 + 100-500 then sell them for a couple hundred bucks less when you get home.




Jul 03, 2022 at 06:16 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


I've done the "buy and then sell" drill a number of times and it's always worked out cheaper than renting, especially for long trips. But, of course, you have to deal with the "sell" part at some point.


Jul 03, 2022 at 06:39 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


max105 wrote:
I've got a 3-week Arctic cruise trip coming up and trying to figure out my travel kit for the landscapes, bears, walruses, foxes, birds, etc.

My current gear is just a M5 with 18-150mm & 11-22mm lenses, and doesn't really handle wildlife well (slow AF, short reach). I'll need to add a different wildlife body and telephoto lens.

Ideally, I would've bought the R7 and RF 100-400 and be done, but I can't find the R7 or R10 in stock.

I plan to keep a EF-M travel kit and thought of upgrading my M5 to M6 II. I can buy a M6 II
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I just took my R6 to Alaska. To your last question about your option 2, R6 performs just as well, but at a lower resolution. I don't know how close you're getting to stuff or how you like to shoot. Being from a crop body you may find it doesn't get 'tight' enough for you. Though for me its been just fine.

I didn't get very close to wildlife on my trip, so my wild life photos were more environmental, like these:

146A6716AL-09_DxO by bbasiaga, on Flickr

146A6700AL-09_DxO by bbasiaga, on Flickr

If you want something close up, I think the high density crop bodies and the longest lens you can rent or buy is your best bet. Also get lots of extra batteries for your M bodies. They burn through them. I know you have the M5, and I'm not sure it uses the same battery as the M6II or not. But the M50 does (I have an M50) and it burns through the batteries as well.

Brian



Jul 03, 2022 at 08:42 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


Compared to the cost of your trip, which may be a once-only experience, you can justify the cost of good photo gear. Go for the R5/100-500 and practice with it before going. Itís a really nice combination, especially the animal eye tracking for birds in flight. At 100mm it will be ideal for the views you get from the ship, 500mm for the wildlife. The low light performance is great too. If you skimp on equipment you will be disappointed.


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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


jpeter wrote:
Buy a 5dsr and get 70to300 or 100to400. Jp


Skip the 70-300, get the 100-400 VII. Skip VI.



Jul 04, 2022 at 01:12 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


R5 and RF 100-500mm, you only have one chance, bring the best gears.
As for M6mkII, I suggest buying an EVF, using a long and big lens at arm length is no fun, tried that. As you have the big zoom, why not mount a wide or general lens to M6? cover all the range than have overlapping focal length.



Jul 04, 2022 at 07:56 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


Assuming this is an Alaska Cruise similar to one we did three years ago, there are no cheap upgrades from your M5 kit. For our trip, I took 5D4, 24-105 L, and 100-400 L II. From shipboard, the wildlife was a bit too distant for my taste, but the 100-400 + 1.4xIII was just adequate (560 mm). I used the 24-105 more frequently for glacier shots, landscapes, museums, and people pictures. Don't neglect this focal range.

For our upcoming Kodiak Alaska trip, I am taking the same kit as it has served me well for many years. We just upgraded my wife's 77D kit to an R7 kit and I can borrow that for use with my 100-400 if necessary. However, I am starting out with a FF kit that I'm happy with. If I were starting with just an M5, I would have to go with the R5 or R6, RF 24-105 f4 L, and RF 100-500, equivalent to my current kit. I would suggest my wife use the M5 kit for its compactness (her preference). And I would be buying to keep since this replaces my standard travel kit. I don't know your future travel plans or financial situation. Buy, buy to sell, rent, or live with what you have are your options.

The M6II is a fun little high performance camera and I enjoy using it when I can afford the weight of a spare kit. It was great fun on a recent beach camping trip. I find I don't like using it with lenses larger than the EF 70-300 II. This lens is very sharp and gets you to 480mm equivalent reach. You could get an adapter and this lens and use it with your M5 if you think the reach would be adequate. The only native lenses I use with my M are the 11-22, 28 macro, and a collection of Sigma and Rokinon primes which are, for me, somewhat specialized in use. I wouldn't want to use it for this type of trip since its battery life is less and there are a limited range of zoom lens options. It is most likely now replaced by the R7.

Another option if you are happy with your M kit for what it covers is to buy used or rent a 77D or 80D and 100-400 (640 mm). In addition to the Canon 100-400, I have the Sigma 100-400 Contemporary. It weighs a pound less than the Canon, is cheaper and is almost identically sharp without 1.4x. Keep or sell depending. The 77D and 80D are wonderful cameras with the same sensor as your M5. The 77D is a bit lighter and with less customization. It uses the same battery as your M, but the 77D is not mirrorless so battery life is better. I prefer the 80D, my wife the 77D . You could also add the EF-S 15-85 which is better than the Canon APS-C kit lenses. My wife has been using this lens on her 77D for years and it yields great photos, including from our Alaska trip. I used my 80D with the Canon 100-400 for an African safari and was very happy with the results. My 2 cents.

77D refurbished Canon, $719
80D refurbished Amazon $948
Sigma 100-400 new Amazon $799
Canon 100-400 new or refurbished Amazon >$2000
Canon 70-300 II refurbished Amazon $619
Canon RF kit, == a small car.

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jedibrain wrote:
If you want something close up, I think the high density crop bodies and the longest lens you can rent or buy is your best bet. Also get lots of extra batteries for your M bodies. They burn through them. I know you have the M5, and I'm not sure it uses the same battery as the M6II or not. But the M50 does (I have an M50) and it burns through the batteries as well.

Brian


M6 II uses the same LP-E17 battery as the M5 - I picked up a refurb M6 II from Canon and the fixed viewfinder as a host for my EF-M lenses after my M5 started malfunctioning. Have to say, I like the AF responsiveness and the 32.5MP sensor quite a bit.

Also, as someone else mentioned above, you absolutely do want that viewfinder. I tried going without it in mid-day Texas sun and found that the rear screen, bright as it is, is just not enough.



Jul 04, 2022 at 11:48 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Wildlife Trip: M6 II + EF 100-400L II vs R5/R6 + RF 100-500L


I know nothing about the M series but the R5 + 100-500L is a good bet. You can buy it used, so if you should decide to not keep it or replace it with the R7 later you can always sell it and charge the loss to equipment rental. And if you need the extra reach (I do 50% of the time) you can switch to the APS-C mode. I have assigned one of the buttons to toggle between FF and APS-C mode.


Jul 04, 2022 at 12:19 PM
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Crop mode on the R5 gives the same central 18mp as just cropping the same FOV as the full frame mode (there is no pixel binning or anything fancy, just a crop). If you know you are going to throw those pixels away anyway it does make sense to use that mode. But there are still many less pixels per duck than an M6II or R7. Still, they are very high quality pixels on the R5, and the noise performance is probably better than the APSc sensors.

OP, what is your budget for gear?

Brian

bobbytan wrote:
I know nothing about the M series but the R5 + 100-500L is a good bet. You can buy it used, so if you should decide to not keep it or replace it with the R7 later you can always sell it and charge the loss to equipment rental. And if you need the extra reach (I do 50% of the time) you can switch to the APS-C mode. I have assigned one of the buttons to toggle between FF and APS-C mode.




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