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Who hates the R7 rear button's layout and too smal size body ?

  
 
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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · Who hates the R7 rear button's layout and too smal size body ?


‘Camera X doesn’t fit my massive American hands’ always reminds me of the South Park episode with Bill Clinton.


Jul 01, 2022 at 01:48 PM
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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · Who hates the R7 rear button's layout and too smal size body ?


EB-1 wrote:
I would rather just keep using the 90D, but it doesn't work with the RF 600/4.
Unfortunately I cannot find the R7 in the states and would have to pay a ridiculous price for a third party procurement next week, which means no warranty.
The key factors I'm not sure about are two AF buttons and Manual with Auto ISO and EC. I can live with the other poor ergonomics, but will probably relegate it to the heap of useless Canon bodies I already have. I really want to get about 10-12 keepers over its usage period.

EBH


Last time I checked (7/1), R7 kits were in stock at Amazon.



Jul 01, 2022 at 02:00 PM
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andrewd01 wrote:
‘Camera X doesn’t fit my massive American hands’ always reminds me of the South Park episode with Bill Clinton.


I never saw that show, but nothing fits me like the old days. The 1Ds and 1Dx series were great.

EBH



Jul 01, 2022 at 02:02 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
I never saw that show, but nothing fits me like the old days. The 1Ds and 1Dx series were great.

EBH


1D or gripped bodies feel great in the hand but damn if they don't get heavy quickly. I'd love to try an R3 though with the pro body but lighter than a gripped R6.



Jul 01, 2022 at 02:27 PM
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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · Who hates the R7 rear button's layout and too smal size body ?


If the glove doesn't fit ....

andrewd01 wrote:
‘Camera X doesn’t fit my massive American hands’ always reminds me of the South Park episode with Bill Clinton.





Jul 01, 2022 at 04:27 PM
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If the glove doesn't fit ....


O.J. didn't have any problem.



Jul 01, 2022 at 05:13 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
I would rather just keep using the 90D, but it doesn't work with the RF 600/4.
Unfortunately I cannot find the R7 in the states and would have to pay a ridiculous price for a third party procurement next week, which means no warranty.
The key factors I'm not sure about are two AF buttons and Manual with Auto ISO and EC. I can live with the other poor ergonomics, but will probably relegate it to the heap of useless Canon bodies I already have. I really want to get about 10-12 keepers over its usage period.

EBH

Gochugogi wrote:
Last time I checked (7/1), R7 kits were in stock at Amazon.


They were not really in stock last night. After adding to cart the delivery date was late in July.

EBH



Jul 01, 2022 at 06:08 PM
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p.4 #8 · p.4 #8 · Who hates the R7 rear button's layout and too smal size body ?


EB-1 wrote:
The designers don't seem to work together at Canon. We've seen that before. How could they not consider that people will use the R5, R3 and R7 in various combinations?

Is it possible to use easily control manual aperture/shutter and use Auto ISO with EC as with many of the Canon DSLRs? Are people using AF-On for subject-based AF and the * for spot AF or how do you quickly switch?

EBH


You need a 101 in marketing lesson. If you already own an R5/R3 you are most definitely not in the target market for the R7 so why would Canon prioritise layout compatibility with these cameras over affordability for the target market ?






Jul 01, 2022 at 07:15 PM
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You need a 101 in marketing lesson. If you already own an R5/R3 you are most definitely not in the target market for the R7 so why would Canon prioritise layout compatibility with these cameras over affordability for the target market ?



Why even dramatically change the button and control layout? That is the question. There is no real advantage in changing it, no market advantages, etc. Perhaps Canon needs 101 in manufacturing design then?



Jul 01, 2022 at 07:24 PM
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duncang wrote:
You need a 101 in marketing lesson. If you already own an R5/R3 you are most definitely not in the target market for the R7 so why would Canon prioritise layout compatibility with these cameras over affordability for the target market ?


I guess that is why he has a heap of useless Canon cameras. They didn’t meet his criteria.



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bobbytan wrote:
Size and weight matters to me a lot. The R5 is a little too fat for me personally. A slimmer body like the OM-1 would suit me perfectly. I have always used an Arca-style L-plate that covers the whole base of the camera (more elegant and seamless) and thereby increases the height of the camera by about 1/4" which solves the "dangling pinky" problem.


I like the look of that plate and hope they make one for the r7. It is just so nice to have.

As to the OP's question. I think the body is just the right size for my medium sized hands. All of my finger fit the grip and the buttons are in good places for me.



Jul 01, 2022 at 07:31 PM
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duncang wrote:
You need a 101 in marketing lesson. If you already own an R5/R3 you are most definitely not in the target market for the R7 so why would Canon prioritise layout compatibility with these cameras over affordability for the target market ?



Duncang, genuine/sincere question for you. Why do you think an R5 owner is "most definitely not in the target market for the R7"? I am an R5 owner but have previously owned the 7D and still have a 7DM2. I had waited for YEARS for Canon to finally come out with the true successor to the 7DM2 and while this is not it, it is the closest thing. I could see an R5 and an R7 being a nice safari combo; the R5 with an EF 100-400 II or RF 100-500 for mammals and larger birds while the R7 could have a 500 or 600 on it for small birds or more distant subjects (early, before the day's heat causes distortion). I could also see the R7 being used with a 100-400 or 100-500 for hiking and the R5 with a 500 or 600 being used in more "destination" scenarios.

Also, if the R7 was meant to be a prosumer body, then why not give it the same button/dial layout as the R3 or R5? And if it is meant more to get new users into the mirrorless market, why would it matter to those people what the button/dial layout was? So if no advantage to doing it one way (the way they did it) but an advantage to doing it another way (like the R3 and R5), why not do it the way that has no drawback but does have benefit?



Jul 01, 2022 at 07:56 PM
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p.4 #13 · p.4 #13 · Who hates the R7 rear button's layout and too smal size body ?


Why not address your questions to Canon? As none of us here would have a clue as to why they chose to arrange the buttons and dials as they did for the R7.

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Duncang, genuine/sincere question for you. Why do you think an R5 owner is "most definitely not in the target market for the R7"? I am an R5 owner but have previously owned the 7D and still have a 7DM2. I had waited for YEARS for Canon to finally come out with the true successor to the 7DM2 and while this is not it, it is the closest thing. I could see an R5 and an R7 being a nice safari combo; the R5 with an EF 100-400 II or RF 100-500 for mammals and larger birds while the R7 could
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bobbytan wrote:
Why not address your questions to Canon? As none of us here would have a clue as to why they chose to arrange the buttons and dials as they did for the R7.



Bobbytan, I guess you missed where duncang posted "If you already own an R5/R3 you are most definitely not in the target market for the R7 so why would Canon prioritise layout compatibility with these cameras over affordability for the target market ?" At least, that is the only explanation I can think of for your response to my question to duncang.



Jul 01, 2022 at 09:07 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
The designers don't seem to work together at Canon. We've seen that before. How could they not consider that people will use the R5, R3 and R7 in various combinations?

Is it possible to use easily control manual aperture/shutter and use Auto ISO with EC as with many of the Canon DSLRs? Are people using AF-On for subject-based AF and the * for spot AF or how do you quickly switch?

EBH

duncang wrote:
You need a 101 in marketing lesson. If you already own an R5/R3 you are most definitely not in the target market for the R7 so why would Canon prioritise layout compatibility with these cameras over affordability for the target market ?


If you ever used Nikon, you would know that the combination of the DX D500 and FX D5 were great together and they shared many features. Maybe Canon users are very siloed nowadays, but it's not unrealistic to expect a better organized system. Anyway I've decided to move on.

EBH



Jul 01, 2022 at 09:39 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
Why not address your questions to Canon? As none of us here would have a clue as to why they chose to arrange the buttons and dials as they did for the R7.


Because it would be pointless. Some people just don't get it. Like the main target market for the R7, I find the arrangement just fine, and could care less if it is not the same as on the R5, or the R6 that I just sold to get the R7.

Seems like the complainers are the same ones that for years have said who needs an APS-C mirrorless when we can just crop our FF files.



Jul 01, 2022 at 10:19 PM
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If you paid any attention at all to what I have posted, you would know i was a 7D/7DM2 shooter for many years and pined for the successor. I have said this MANY times.

Perhaps try engaging in civil conversation instead of specializing in personal attacks and berating those who don’t share your perspectives. It would be more productive and more enjoyable for all.

Imagemaster wrote:
Because it would be pointless. Some people just don't get it. Like the main target market for the R7, I find the arrangement just fine, and could care less if it is not the same as on the R5, or the R6 that I just sold to get the R7.

Seems like the complainers are the same ones that for years have said who needs an APS-C mirrorless when we can just crop our FF files.




Jul 01, 2022 at 11:18 PM
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EverLearning wrote:
If you paid any attention at all to what I have posted, you would know i was a 7D/7DM2 shooter for many years and pined for the successor. I have said this MANY times.

Perhaps try engaging in civil conversation instead of specializing in personal attacks and berating those who don’t share your perspectives. It would be more productive and more enjoyable for all.


I know you love yourself, but I was not talking to you. I was replying to Bobby. Maybe try reading what I posted, and try practising what you preach. As usual you can't see that you are a specialist in making personal attacks and berating others, as demonstrated in your above posting.




Jul 01, 2022 at 11:51 PM
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Someone chose the wrong screen name. It should have been Lecturemaster, because that is a majority of the post contents, not images.


Jul 02, 2022 at 05:28 AM
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The same old crowd. Always

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Jul 02, 2022 at 05:56 AM
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