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https://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x-t5-to-feature-40mp-non-stacked-sensor-no-26mp-stacked-version-planed/



Jun 23, 2022 at 05:28 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · XT5 to have 40mp sensor


Interesting, and a little disappointing, but not entirely unexpected. I don't need (or really want) 40MP; my main deciding factor will be if the AF algo is within the same order of magnitude as what the H2s appears to be (acknowledging the lack of stacked sensor probably means an automatic disadvantage) and if they can keep a similar form factor to the T2/T3.


Jun 23, 2022 at 05:42 PM
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Hopefully the AF is as good as H2 , I was able to play around with it yesterday, I was very impressed with how far away it would find faces , and eyes. I went ahead and preordered one , but I think I will cancel and wait ... I want my knobs !

Lightroom now opens the raw files , it didnít yesterday




  X-H2S    XF90mmF2 R LM WR lens    90mm    f/2.0    1/100s    320 ISO    0.0 EV  






  X-H2S    XF23mmF1.4 R LM WR lens    23mm    f/1.4    1/250s    640 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jun 23, 2022 at 08:36 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · XT5 to have 40mp sensor


If Fujifilm history is a guide ó†and it usually is:

1. This was completely expected. I figured that we'd hear about a 40MP XT5 shortly after the XH2 announcements, though I wasn't expecting it quite this fast.

2. Fujifilm's pattern for over a decade (with barely any exceptions) has been to put the same new and higher MP sensor in virtually every model in their line-up. In will take maybe 12-18 months, but...

3. ... I expect to see the X100v, the XE4, possibly the XPro4, and perhaps some middle-priced models get the same sensor.

4. I'll bet that once the newness wears off, we'll see more XH2 sales of the 40MP model than of teh 26MP model.

5. I still have a feeling that the XH2 may go the way of the XH1 after the XT5 appears, but we'll see.

6. I'm guessing that there will be a significant number of folks cancelling XH2 pre-orders. (The timing here isn't great for Fujifilm, unfortunately.)

Dan



Jun 23, 2022 at 10:50 PM
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So what's the difference between 40MP XH version and the XT5, dials? I think Fuji has too many bodies, maybe I don't know.


Jun 23, 2022 at 11:26 PM
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So is the 40 Megapixel sensor actually better than the previous 26 Megapixel sensor ? Otherwise I dont really understand this decision.

Well, except the X-T4 is so good, its hard to think of anything to improve about it. Still, if the new sensor is inferior, obviously I'd prefer the X-T4 over the X-T5.

I mean we can get 4320p with 40 Megapixel (but 8K requires 45 Megapixel, or 8192 at the long arc), but as far as I can see, even if I was into video, I really wouldnt need more than 4K for anything.


bobby350z wrote:
So what's the difference between 40MP XH version and the XT5, dials? I think Fuji has too many bodies, maybe I don't know.


Why, dials, build quality, memory card slots ... the X-H line is supposed to be the flagship line.



Jun 24, 2022 at 02:18 AM
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Nope. 8k is 7680 X 4320, or 33mp.

Sauseschritt wrote:
So is the 40 Megapixel sensor actually better than the previous 26 Megapixel sensor ? Otherwise I dont really understand this decision.

Well, except the X-T4 is so good, its hard to think of anything to improve about it. Still, if the new sensor is inferior, obviously I'd prefer the X-T4 over the X-T5.

I mean we can get 4320p with 40 Megapixel (but 8K requires 45 Megapixel, or 8192 at the long arc), but as far as I can see, even if I was into video, I really wouldnt need more than 4K for anything.


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Jun 24, 2022 at 07:34 AM
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Iíd like to have 40Mp, but a lighter and smaller body is on top of my wishlist.

And yes, I know Fuji has smaller models, but I like to have the features of the X-Tx line



Jun 24, 2022 at 08:58 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Nope. 8k is 7680 X 4320, or 33mp.

First of all, you talk about 4320p, not about 8K.

8K is 8192x4320.

Second of all, you talk as if we would use 16:9 sensors. We use 3:2 sensors.

So we need

7680x5120 = 39,321,600 pixels ~ 40 Megapixels for 4320p

8192x5462 = 44,744,704 pixels ~ 45 Megapixels for 8K



Jun 24, 2022 at 09:12 AM
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You donít get to say ď8KĒ and then make up a resolution to fit your arbitrary meaning.

8K defined: 8K UHD (7680 ◊ 4320) is the highest resolution defined in the Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) standard.

Sauseschritt wrote:
First of all, you talk about 4320p, not about 8K.

8K is 8192x4320.

Second of all, you talk as if we would use 16:9 sensors. We use 3:2 sensors.

So we need

7680x5120 = 39,321,600 pixels ~ 40 Megapixels for 4320p

8192x5462 = 44,744,704 pixels ~ 45 Megapixels for 8K




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RoamingScott wrote:
You donít get to say ď8KĒ and then make up a resolution to fit your arbitrary meaning.

8K defined: 8K UHD (7680 ◊ 4320) is the highest resolution defined in the Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) standard.



8K DCI is 8192 and 8K UHD 7680. Congratulations, both of you were right. But Scott is double right because 8k isnít reserved only for 8192 and the most common display standard is 7680 😄

https://www.deltacast.tv/technologies/8k-video

The Z9 and R5/R5c support DCI 4k and Sony only support UHD resolutions unless you buy a cinema line camera above the FX3 (which is also limited to UHD).

Does it matter? No. No it does not. 8K DCI adds extra width, so yay, but it is not a very useful differentiating factor as the delivery medium you are targeting will see no difference between cropping to 18:9 or shooting natively in 18:9.



Jun 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM
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That 23 1.4 WR looks sharp wide open. My 1st gen one would be a dreamy mess at that distance at 1.4.

JustShootMe wrote:
Hopefully the AF is as good as H2 , I was able to play around with it yesterday, I was very impressed with how far away it would find faces , and eyes. I went ahead and preordered one , but I think I will cancel and wait ... I want my knobs !

Lightroom now opens the raw files , it didnít yesterday




Jun 24, 2022 at 12:37 PM
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I heard from a Fuji source today that the X-T5 will probably have a 40 megapixels but not the stacked sensor that the H2S has so possibly the eye af will not be as good. Does anyone have concerns about noise issues with this many pixels in a smaller sensor?


Jun 24, 2022 at 01:05 PM
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SSISteve wrote:
I heard from a Fuji source today that the X-T5 will probably have a 40 megapixels but not the stacked sensor that the H2S has so possibly the eye af will not be as good. Does anyone have concerns about noise issues with this many pixels in a smaller sensor?


Why, inferior signal to noise is exactly my concern.

Unless Sony has found another way to improve sensor performance, I would assume the 40 Megapixel sensor will have inferior performance compared to the 26 Megapixel one - stacked or not stacked.



Jun 24, 2022 at 01:10 PM
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Jesse Evans wrote:
Congratulations, both of you were right.

Okay, so I was wrong. Sorry about that.

Video isnt my area, I rarely do it and I only really accidentally absorb information about it while going for photography.

Its still wrong to assume you can manage 4320p with a 33 Megapixel sensor if that sensor isnt 16:9 though. It has to be 40 Megapixel if its 3:2.

If I actually would want to do video I would probably have to read up a LOT because its such a wide field. Like, you need microphones, you need constant lighting, you need various formats, etc.



Jun 24, 2022 at 01:13 PM
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SSISteve wrote:
I heard from a Fuji source today that the X-T5 will probably have a 40 megapixels but not the stacked sensor that the H2S has so possibly the eye af will not be as good. Does anyone have concerns about noise issues with this many pixels in a smaller sensor?


I would have no concerns about noise issues.

Consistently, throughout the evolution of digital cameras, each new generation of sensors has been able to provide some balance of better noise performance, higher photo site density, speed (of various things). . So, it is virtually certain that a 40MP Fujfilm APS-C sensor will at least equal and perhaps exceed the noise performance of the previous generation 26MP sensors.

Folks had the same worry when Fujifilm went from 16MP to 24MP, and other camera brands have faced concerns about more noise at every point where sensor resolution increased. The confusion comes, I think, because increasing the sensor resolution of a given generation of sensor can increase noise, and people forget that we are dealing with successive generations of technology.

If the assumption that every sensor generations increase in photo site density would produce worse noise, seeing that some of us can recall 1MP (and less!) sensors, by now the current sensors would be completely unusable. But, news flash, that hasn't happened. Noise performance on modern high MP sensors is better than that on old lower MP sensors.

Dan



Jun 24, 2022 at 05:15 PM
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Agree with Dan on this high noise issue. GFX went from 50MP to 100MP and high ISO improved quite a bit.


Jun 24, 2022 at 05:45 PM
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I'm excited about having the 40mp sensor as the standard X sensor. I figured it would work out this way as stacked sensors cameras seem to be a lot more expensive and it's likely to stay that because they are not sold in high volume (yet) either. I think the XH2S body makes a lot more sense for really long lenses than others, not that the others can't be used with them. I use my 100-400 with my XT3 just fine.


Jun 24, 2022 at 06:08 PM
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I'm happy with the route Fuji is taking with the X-T* line.

Edit: I do hope the line continues to use dual SD cards vs CFexpress/SD (which I don't think it will need)



Jun 24, 2022 at 08:14 PM
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genjy wrote:
That 23 1.4 WR looks sharp wide open. My 1st gen one would be a dreamy mess at that distance at 1.4.



Itís a much better lens than the gen1 version. A definite upgrade in my opinion, the choice of gen1 35 1.4 vs 33 1.4 is a bit tougher. Although the newer lenses focused a lot faster on the H2 , something to think about.



Jun 24, 2022 at 09:22 PM
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