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Just watched Jared Polinís preview of the upcoming 400mm f4.5 prime.



While Iím not really interested in that particular focal length/aperture, I am impressed with Nikonís last couple telephoto offerings.

I really hope Sony has something similar in the works.

Personally, I would be interested in a telephoto prime that would slot in between the Uber expensive supertelephoto primes and the more budget conscious 200-600. Perhaps in the $3000-4000 range. Iím thinking a 500mm f5 or 600mm 5.6.

Anyways, I hope Sony isnít resting on itís laurels. Nikon is being really aggressive these days.



Jun 22, 2022 at 12:07 AM
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A couple more sneak peeks.




Jun 22, 2022 at 12:22 AM
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Jun 22, 2022 at 01:02 AM
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Looks great to me! Good size and weight from the look of it!
And I agree with the sentiment. This is very much a segment where Nikon is pulling ahead with their new lineups. Sony is missing out here, and it's a dangerous development given how well received the Z9 was.



Jun 22, 2022 at 01:31 AM
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Agree with the above. Given the current lineup, I think a small, high quality 500/5.6 would be great at under 3000 USD (thinking 2,599); make it a smallish, high quality 500/4.5 and you could probably go close to 4000 USD; and neither would really infringe on the 400/2.8 or 600/4 (and would compliment the 100-400 nicely).


Jun 22, 2022 at 01:54 AM
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A great addition to the PF line, although it would be of no interest to me. A 600mm f5.6 PF would get me back to Nikon, and if they would add a Z500mm f5.6PF, they would have the far, far superior lens line to Sony (and also Canon), especially when the Z200-600mm and Z600/4 with built-in TC arrive.

Canon at least is rumored to be working on another vťry interesting lens: a RF500mm f4.5DO, but Sony has fallen into a deep sleep for anything over 200mm, and I wonder if they will ever awaken.



Jun 22, 2022 at 03:07 AM
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Alan Parker wrote:
Looks great to me! Good size and weight from the look of it!
And I agree with the sentiment. This is very much a segment where Nikon is pulling ahead with their new lineups. Sony is missing out here, and it's a dangerous development given how well received the Z9 was.


You are right, in the super telephoto range Sony hasnít done anything since the 200-600 G / 600 GM releases 3 years ago but they have been building up in every other lens segment to the point where itís nearly complete.
That being said emount does need more super telephoto options and personally Iíd like to see but fully acknowledge its doubtful all of the below will happen.

Sony
300mm f2.8
400mm f4 or 4.5
800 6.3

Sigma
500mm 5.6
800mm 7.1



Jun 22, 2022 at 03:33 AM
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SNJOps wrote:
You are right, in the super telephoto range Sony hasnít done anything since the 200-600 G / 600 GM releases 3 years ago but they have been building up in every other lens segment to the point where itís nearly complete.
That being said emount does need more super telephoto options and personally Iíd like to see but fully acknowledge its doubtful all of the below will happen.

Sony
300mm f2.8
400mm f4 or 4.5
800 6.3

Sigma
500mm 5.6
800mm 7.1


Also, and this is because it personally affects me, the gap between the 200-600G and the 600GM is too big, with the latter being literally too big and far too expensive for my liking. Sony should really concentrate on bridging this wide gap, by offering something inbetween, like Nikon is now doing.

It could be a 600mm f5.6 or a 500mm f4.5 with diffractive optics or not, and of course Sony does not hŠve to do it if they are reluctant, but I see Sony wildlife/birding shooters moving towards Nikon if they do not, except perhaps for the high end shooters that won't have any reason unless they want to add a portable high quality option to the 400/600GM.

I have the A1+200-600, and prefer the A1 over the Z9 by miles, but still I am looking sideways to the Nikon PF lenses. A 7000,- 800PF is so much better regarding price, size and weight than a 600GM+1.4TC, and still has high level prime quality.



Jun 22, 2022 at 04:06 AM
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ChrisMak wrote:
Also, and this is because it personally affects me, the gap between the 200-600G and the 600GM is too big, with the latter being literally too big and far too expensive for my liking. Sony should really concentrate on bridging this wide gap, by offering something inbetween, like Nikon is now doing.

It could be a 600mm f5.6 or a 500mm f4.5 with diffractive optics or not, and of course Sony does not hŠve to do it if they are reluctant, but I see Sony wildlife/birding shooters moving towards Nikon if they do not, except perhaps for the high end
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What's wrong with the Sony 100-400mm? Is this what Sony is thinking? Light weight, more flexible as has zoom.....




Jun 22, 2022 at 08:53 AM
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TimMunsey wrote:
What's wrong with the Sony 100-400mm? Is this what Sony is thinking? Light weight, more flexible as has zoom.....



Thatís why a Sony 400mm f4.5 wouldnít be much interest to me personally.

Iíd be much more interested in a higher quality 500 or 600mm prime. Without having to step all the way up to the 400f2.8 or 600f4.

While the 200-600 is a wonderful lens. I am seeing the limits of itís optics on the A1. I definitely think thereís a market for a lens in between it and the top of the line primes.



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I think Sony has more blatant holes in the lens lineup namely a 200 f2 or 2.8, a 300 f4 and a 300 2.8. It has the longer end covered by multiple lenses.


Jun 22, 2022 at 09:26 AM
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chez wrote:
I think Sony has more blatant holes in the lens lineup namely a 200 f2 or 2.8, a 300 f4 and a 300 2.8. It has the longer end covered by multiple lenses.


Yes Sony lacks 300mm f2.8 and f4 lenses, but they also lack any kind of 500mm lens. I used to shoot a Sigma 500mm lens with or without a 1.4TC.
Bottom line is, Sony lacks multiple lenses above 200mm, and more importantly, seems to lack Nikon's drive to do special things here alltogether. I wonder if they have stopped designing anything over 200mm's...



Jun 22, 2022 at 10:06 AM
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ChrisMak wrote:
Yes Sony lacks 300mm f2.8 and f4 lenses, but they also lack any kind of 500mm lens. I used to shoot a Sigma 500mm lens with or without a 1.4TC.
Bottom line is, Sony lacks multiple lenses above 200mm, and more importantly, seems to lack Nikon's drive to do special things here alltogether. I wonder if they have stopped designing anything over 200mm's...


I think the combination of 100-400 and 200-600 covers most of the laymanís needs and the 400 / 600 covers the professional / advanced amateur needs at these longer lengths.

I would think with APís relationship, if AP thought something was missing, Sony would build it.



Jun 22, 2022 at 10:14 AM
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I know there's debate about this, but wouldn't the 70-200 GM2 and a TC be about the same size (lighter?) and match that focal length?


Jun 22, 2022 at 12:41 PM
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Maybe, but not the aperture and not the IQ.

ajmiller32 wrote:
I know there's debate about this, but wouldn't the 70-200 GM2 and a TC be about the same size (lighter?) and match that focal length?




Jun 22, 2022 at 01:31 PM
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Rather than want a 400 4.5, why not a 300 2.8 and use both the 1.4x and 2x to give you more reach. Much more flexible and I doubt youíd see any IQ difference.


Jun 22, 2022 at 02:12 PM
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TimMunsey wrote:
What's wrong with the Sony 100-400mm? Is this what Sony is thinking? Light weight, more flexible as has zoom.....



The 100-400 is 2/3rds of a stop slower at 400mm and is heavier. I would much rather have this lens. It makes a 560 f/6.3 vs. 560 f/8 with a 1.4X TC and makes an 800 f/9 vs. 800 f/11 with a 2X TC. I would gladly give away the ability to zoom for that faster aperture. Minolta used to have a very nice 400 f/4.5 for its day. I really hope Sony makes a lens something like this or at some point I am likely to switch to Nikon.



Jun 22, 2022 at 02:15 PM
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Seems a strange one to meÖa Ďtweener lens.
Neither a fast prime or flexible zoom, not something I would go for even in FE mount.

I would be happy with a FE 600mm f5.6 prime though.



Jun 22, 2022 at 02:25 PM
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Minolta had a 400mm f4.5 that was my workhorse birding lens back in the 80's - early 2000's. Screw drive but fairly sharp with film wide open. Once digital took over it was quickly apparent the the purple fringing and sharpness on a higher MP sensor were an issue

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Jun 22, 2022 at 02:28 PM
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Robjwilli wrote:
Seems a strange one to meÖa Ďtweener lens.
Neither a fast prime or flexible zoom, not something I would go for even in FE mount.

I would be happy with a FE 600mm f5.6 prime though.


Well it does make a 560 f/6.3 with the 1.4X TC, so not that far off at all from a 600 f/5.6, but I would welcome a 600 f/5.6 from Sony as well. Any prime 300mm or longer with a less than slow aperture for the focal length (300 f/4, 400 f/4.5, 500 f/5.6, 600 f/6.3) and less than $5,000 would make me happy, but rather surprisingly Sony has nothing to offer like that. I hope it changes.

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