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p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

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Here's part of the reason:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/luminance-and-chromaticity-vs-spatial-frequency-part-2/

If there's little content above Nyquist, there will be little aliasing. The lab test was designed to invoke aliasing, and to do it in such a way that it was obvious.

The other side of the issue is your sensitivity to aliasing -- or lack of it. When we have regular patterns and false-color moiré, just about anyone can see that aliasing. In the absence of those, it takes knowing what the subject looked like (or what it couldn't possibly look like). Some people aren't sensitive to that, and I think the vast number of oversharpened, crispy...Show more →

I understand, the test was to show what would happen in the worst case. "But even what the subject looked like" can't help much as when we look at something, we don't look at every minute details. Maybe it depends on what people shoot. How often one looks at a scene and says, I see some aliasing in that grass 100 feet out there or the leaves of the tree if I zoom in 200%. As you mentioned, it should happen more with repeated patterns, but I have only seen it a few times in real life. Here is my worst case example with 110mm f2.

20171219_Model_Aida_9160 by Vishi A, on Flickr

Jun 17, 2022 at 12:54 PM

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p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

JimKasson wrote:
As to tarring everyone with the same brush, Here's what I said: "I think the vast number of oversharpened, crispy images around now contributes to that." I didn't say all images were oversharpened and crispy.

This will offer some insight into my thinking about overuse of editing tools:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/power-tools-are-dangerous/

Jun 17, 2022 at 04:27 PM

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p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

On Fuji, using C1, I never feel the need of any extra sharpening. Maybe the defaults are already high enough though I don't see any artifacts like with old PS USM. With landscapes, I do less as I just don't know much about pp. Same with the portraits, most of 90% in camera, minor edits in C1. No skin, high freq stuff here. One it takes time and second I don't know how to do it and no inclination to learn.

Jun 17, 2022 at 08:35 PM

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p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

bobby350z wrote:
On Fuji, using C1, I never feel the need of any extra sharpening. Maybe the defaults are already high enough though I don't see any artifacts like with old PS USM. With landscapes, I do less as I just don't know much about pp. Same with the portraits, most of 90% in camera, minor edits in C1. No skin, high freq stuff here. One it takes time and second I don't know how to do it and no inclination to learn.

Bobby, Are you sure you're actually sharpening in Capture One? The default behavior, as long as I've been using it has been to apply sharpening while you're working in the program but to bypass the sharpening on output.

Jun 17, 2022 at 09:24 PM

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p.5 #5 · p.5 #5 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

Prints are great and all, but it's amazing for virtual production, VR galleries, etc. Later it will help with future proofing photogrammetry assets for game/metaverse building too.

Jun 18, 2022 at 02:24 AM

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p.5 #6 · p.5 #6 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

Likewise I don’t need to use sharpening or even clarity. In fact I find the default pics more pleasing. Love the SooC from the 50R.

bobby350z wrote:
On Fuji, using C1, I never feel the need of any extra sharpening. Maybe the defaults are already high enough though I don't see any artifacts like with old PS USM. With landscapes, I do less as I just don't know much about pp. Same with the portraits, most of 90% in camera, minor edits in C1. No skin, high freq stuff here. One it takes time and second I don't know how to do it and no inclination to learn.

Jun 18, 2022 at 02:26 AM

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p.5 #7 · p.5 #7 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

bobby350z wrote:
On Fuji, using C1, I never feel the need of any extra sharpening.

I haven't played with C1 in a while, but Lr upped its default sharpening to what is in my opinion way too much at about the same time as they changed their default color profile to something with more pop like C1's then default profile.

Jun 18, 2022 at 10:33 AM

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p.5 #8 · p.5 #8 · How big do you need to print to see the advantage of a 100 MP 44 X 33 sensor vs. FF 35mm?

Peter Figen wrote:
Bobby, Are you sure you're actually sharpening in Capture One? The default behavior, as long as I've been using it has been to apply sharpening while you're working in the program but to bypass the sharpening on output.

I didn't know that. If that's the case I don't sharpen at all either. I've always found the default sharp enough. I often turn down the NR settings and for a while was doing low contrast.

Jun 18, 2022 at 10:39 AM

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