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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Z6II vs Z7II focus points


Hello,

Z6II has 273 focus points, Z7II has 493. I understand that it means that in a Z7II you can move your single focus point across 493 points and 273 for Z6II. Probably not a major difference but I am not sure what does that mean in reality when you use eye detection.

Does that mean that the Z7II will be a little more accurate when he detect the eye as the camera activates the focus point the closer to the eye ? Does that makes a difference in portrait photography ?



Jun 10, 2022 at 12:33 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Z6II vs Z7II focus points


My Nikon N60 had one, count 'em, 1 autofocus point. IIRC, the N80 had a huge 9?


Jun 10, 2022 at 11:29 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Z6II vs Z7II focus points


ricaf wrote:
Hello,

Z6II has 273 focus points, Z7II has 493. I understand that it means that in a Z7II you can move your single focus point across 493 points and 273 for Z6II. Probably not a major difference but I am not sure what does that mean in reality when you use eye detection.

Does that mean that the Z7II will be a little more accurate when he detect the eye as the camera activates the focus point the closer to the eye ? Does that makes a difference in portrait photography ?


In Z systems, focus points are on the image sensors themselves as opposed to a separate focus sensor like DSLRs. Difference in the number of focal points in Zs I believe, is directly proportional to the image size they produce, hence Z7 s have more focal points than Z6s, however, the 'pixels' each focus point is responsible for should be the same. From that point, I would imagine the accuracy is equivalent to the number of image pixel each focus point represent/captures. It got convoluted. I think it is about the same.

Luka

(edited to make a bit more sense than originally written )

Edited on Jun 11, 2022 at 08:49 AM · View previous versions



Jun 11, 2022 at 05:10 AM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Z6II vs Z7II focus points


I use an 'original' 2018 Z6 FW 3.40 alongside a 2021 Z7II FW 1.40, and in real world shooting conditions despite the difference in AF points don't see any discrepancies in the Eye AF performance of both camera's.
I must note though that, to speed up the AF performance I have dialed in the '1/2' option in cutums setting A5, which makes the camera to have less AF points to select from while deciding what to focus on (hwn using an automated AF mode)

That said, I find that if you don't use the AF in some kind of automated AF mode, the abudance of AF points is a bit of a pain, since, as a single AF point is extremely small, it demands extreme precision to place it exactly on the spot intended.

In that regard for me the last version of single point AF in the F90X really was my ideal choice: you just needed to aim the single, large, center positioned, on the subject and it would get the job done.
While the F5/F100 were the first SLR's with multiple AF points (5), the system and accompanying more advanced AF mode (like Dynamic AF) at that time still were in its infancy and IMX much less reliable for fast moving subjefts (as I found out the hard way during several shoots, which led me to continue use the F90X rather then my F100).

Nikon kind of paid hommage to the 'one big single AF field/point' with the 4 AF point group AF moe on the 51 AF point D4S, although even for shooting fast moving subject I found that a single AF point of the 51 AF system already allowed relatively easy placing on an intended manually selected point, eg
https://a4.pbase.com/g1/20/670620/2/118428006.KNjHGg6A.jpg
(D3, 4/200-400VRI, at 400.0mm f/7.1 1/1250s iso320 51poins Dynamic AF with single manually selected AF)



Jun 11, 2022 at 06:39 AM
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N80 had 5 focus points and they were a lot less hassle than eleventeen gazillion focus points.


Jun 12, 2022 at 12:06 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Z6II vs Z7II focus points


ricaf wrote:
Hello,

Z6II has 273 focus points, Z7II has 493. I understand that it means that in a Z7II you can move your single focus point across 493 points and 273 for Z6II. Probably not a major difference but I am not sure what does that mean in reality when you use eye detection.

Does that mean that the Z7II will be a little more accurate when he detect the eye as the camera activates the focus point the closer to the eye ? Does that makes a difference in portrait photography ?


The point of diminishing return for number of focus points is, IMHO, fairly low. It's rare that you will be trying to focus on something much smaller than a single AF point in a modern camera, so once the sensor has 300, 400, or even 1000+ AF points, it doesn't really matter as the AF points are already going to be very granular relative to most targets. Also, if the subject is so far away such that an eyeball or whatever is a lot smaller than a single AF point (i.e. a distant BIF), chances are DOF will be high enough to have the entire subject in focus anyway, so whether or not the AF point is right on the eye wouldn't matter.

Looking at it from the other side, something like a Canon R3 claims every pixel is an AF point (~24 million) with almost 5,000 selectable, and there is nothing special at all about it's AF performance relative to other flagship bodies with a fraction of the advertised AF points.

It was a bigger deal in the DSLR days if comparing a camera with, say, 10 AF points to one with 50AF points, because there were sizable gaps to fill between the AF points that directly affected tracking performance or your ability to easily compose a shot. Modern mirrorless cameras don't really have that problem as most or all of the sensor is covered with plenty of AF points. More is better all else equal, but in my experience anyway, the point at which it doesn't really matter anymore is fairly low.



Jun 13, 2022 at 11:36 AM





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