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I suppose I might qualify as a "professional". I get paid for my portrait, landscape and real estate work. Not that I have to beat some drum to say my opinion might hold as much weight as the next guy. I have to say that the year and a half I've owned my R5 and grip along with several RF L glass and select Sigma Art lenses, the R5 has not failed me once to get images that in my world are top flight not lacking anything. Since that last 1.5.2 update my R5 now nails focus of a animal's or human's eye as soon as I half press the shutter no waiting, and tracks it like it got glued to said eye.

So I have to ask myself, even though I'm at the top of a major vendor's R1's list knowing I wouldn't see it for at least a year or more anyway, is it worth bothering? Sure it's going to have QuadPixel, but if I'm not missing anything now what is the value of that going to mean? It "might" have another stop dynamic range (a big maybe) and will shoot at absurdly fast rates ( I don't do that now). It will have a huge long lived battery......whoopie.....I put two batteries in my grip and go for days.

The fact if I desired, I can take my grip off and slap on a RF24-240 for a travel/vacation and have a very compact lightweight companion that will do nearly all I could need. I love the EVF now having no issues. I don't do the touch screen so that means nothing to me. So I can't help but wonder if it's meaningless to wait for or bother with the coming R1. The R3 to ME is going backward for my use. So I may be grossly in the minority, but the R5 sure did hit my sweet spot, and I have NO need for larger files to be sure. I already have the cropping power I ever need. Oh well. Guess we'll have to see what Canon truly has up their sleeve.



May 31, 2022 at 06:47 PM
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dcisive wrote:
I suppose I might qualify as a "professional". I get paid for my portrait, landscape and real estate work. Not that I have to beat some drum to say my opinion might hold as much weight as the next guy. I have to say that the year and a half I've owned my R5 and grip along with several RF L glass and select Sigma Art lenses, the R5 has not failed me once to get images that in my world are top flight not lacking anything. Since that last 1.5.2 update my R5 now nails focus of a animal's
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+1 @ much of what you said. I'm also very content with the R5 and will be for several years to come. Although reports of the R3's AF system taking the R5's AF to a whole new level does intrigue me and makes me excited for what my next camera will be in a few years down the road.

I'm starting to wonder when is enough enough. I realize we are all gear heads and enjoy buying the next shiny toy that comes along, but I wonder what the next BIG thing will be now that we're hitting MP that are more then enough for the most part with monster 100mp just around the corner. AF systems that still boggle the mind. DR concerns seem to be a thing of the past and high ISO capabilities are climbing into the stratosphere compared to just a few years ago. And burst speeds are already at stupid high rates. I don't see any need to go faster then 20-30 fps.

IDK, maybe I'm just getting old and am settling into my happy place camera wise. Future RF lenses (one in particular) is what I'm really looking forward to.



May 31, 2022 at 08:34 PM
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Things yet needed:
- BSI sensors across all models
- Quad pixel AF (like the old cross point AF)
- Global shutter
- Enhanced object recognition
- Invariant ISO
- Better spot AF



May 31, 2022 at 09:56 PM
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lighthound wrote:
I'm starting to wonder when is enough enough.


Enough is almost never enough. Its a terrible mentality modern day living has ingrained in to many of us. At work, being better than last year is always the corporate goal and in school you are always compared to the top percentage of the class. So, it only makes sense that people drag this modern day ideology in to their hobbies. However, there is a bright side to the way of thinking, it brought us a market full of unbelievable cameras, its also giving us things like commercial space flight, longer life expectancy, and many more spectacular feats. I say take the good with the bad as long as we are better off.

On the 100 Megapixel body thing, I'd love to see it. Do I need it? I need a 100 megapixel body about as much as I need a Ferrari F8 Spyder, but that doesn't stop me from wanting either.

Personally, I'm not going to worry about the ISO performance on a 100 MP body because of that one occasion a month I need to use ISO 12800. In all honesty, every time I'm out shooting around other people, as soon as the ISO starts to creep up people are packing up. So that will be the last thing on my mind when Canon finally decides to bring out this mythical unicorn.



Jun 06, 2022 at 04:08 PM
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Mike Jacks0n wrote:


Enough is almost never enough. Its a terrible mentality modern day living has ingrained in to many of us. At work, being better than last year is always the corporate goal and in school you are always compared to the top percentage of the class. So, it only makes sense that people drag this modern day ideology in to their hobbies. However, there is a bright side to the way of thinking, it brought us a market full of unbelievable cameras, its also giving us things like commercial space flight, longer life expectancy, and many more spectacular feats.
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I'm just going to say it now...if this camera can't push shadows 10stops at ISO 102000 with little to no noise on 200% crops it'll be DOA. Cripple hammer extrodinairre. Everyone will switch to Sony.




Jun 06, 2022 at 05:01 PM
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I'm just going to say it now...if this camera can't push shadows 10stops at ISO 102000 with little to no noise on 200% crops it'll be DOA. Cripple hammer extrodinairre. Everyone will switch to Sony.



Also, the price needs to be no more than 50% of the R5, it must be both smaller and larger, have faster burst rate and a deeper buffer than the R5, and come with batteries providing 2000 shots per charge.

And "pushing shadows 10 stops" isn't enough. It is absolutely critical that we be able to shoot the inside of the lens cap at ISO 100,000, push the resulting entirely black image until it is light gray, and view at 400% with no noise.

Otherwise: Total fail!



Jun 07, 2022 at 09:17 AM
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dcisive wrote:
I suppose I might qualify as a "professional". I get paid for my portrait, landscape and real estate work. Not that I have to beat some drum to say my opinion might hold as much weight as the next guy. I have to say that the year and a half I've owned my R5 and grip along with several RF L glass and select Sigma Art lenses, the R5 has not failed me once to get images that in my world are top flight not lacking anything. Since that last 1.5.2 update my R5 now nails focus of a animal's
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Your story reminds me of what happened back when the 5D was introduced. At that time folks who needed higher resolution and wanted full frame had to get a 1Ds series body. That was a fine camera, for sure, but in addition to being quite expensive it was also very large and heavy.

Quite a few folks who had been using the 1Ds version at that time took a look at the performance of the 5D — also full frame, almost as much screen resolution, used the same lenses — and decided that the lighter weight, smaller bulk, and significant'y lower cost was a fair and practical trade off.

Ultimately the 1Ds-series was toast. Even though it was arguably a better camera, practical photographers did not feel that the nature of the "better-ness" was worth it.

I think there is still going to be a good market for a rumored 100MP R camera, particularly if the price is in the same ballpark as the R5. (Note that the price difference between 5D-series and 1Ds-series was substantial.) But, in truth, as a user of a 50MP camera — and a person who talks with others who use similar cameras and who have used higher MP cameras — the 45MP of the R5, coupled with its high levels of performance in other areas, is going to make the higher MP option less clearly appealing than it was in the past.

I still think that a 100MP camera would "have legs" and I'd certainly consider it, but...



Jun 07, 2022 at 09:27 AM
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Also, the price needs to be no more than 50% of the R5, it must be both smaller and larger, have faster burst rate and a deeper buffer than the R5, and come with batteries providing 2000 shots per charge.

And "pushing shadows 10 stops" isn't enough. It is absolutely critical that we be able to shoot the inside of the lens cap at ISO 100,000, push the resulting entirely black image until it is light gray, and view at 400% with no noise.

Otherwise: Total fail!


Nah, I want negative film overexposure latitude. Overexpose 5 stops and still get very usable images.



Jun 07, 2022 at 10:11 AM
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I'm in for two!


Jun 12, 2022 at 04:25 PM
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Remember when folks posted comments stating that we were done and that it was going to be absolutely impossible to put more than 4MP on a DSLR sensor? I'm sure glad the pocket protector wearing guys in the white coats didn't read any of those posts..............


Jun 12, 2022 at 04:32 PM
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The next Sony is still at ~60MP. Being the imaging industry leader, they probably tried 100MP and found it lacking. I'm not sure that Canon has enough good lenses that won't be mushy towards the edges at 100MP.

EBH



Jun 12, 2022 at 11:52 PM
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The next Sony is still at ~60MP. Being the imaging industry leader, they probably tried 100MP and found it lacking. I'm not sure that Canon has enough good lenses that won't be mushy towards the edges at 100MP.

EBH


For the sake of discussion, let's accept your notion that Canon lenses are not good.

Regardless, a lens does not become more "mushy" when used with a higher MP sensor. In the worst case scenario, it performs no better than it would on a lower MP camera, but in virtually all real-world scenarios almost any lens will perform better on a higher resolution sensor.

Also, at the present time Canon produces the highest photo site density APS-C sensor, the 1.6x 32.5MP sensors. I do not use them, but everything I read about them suggests that their performance is excellent. So, while Sony is arguably the sensor production leader in a number of ways, that doesn't mean that a Canon sensor will necessarily be inferior.

(EDIT: Typos corrected above to clarify post. Original was posted from a smart phone screen. ;-) )

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Jun 13, 2022 at 12:07 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
The next Sony is still at ~60MP. Being the imaging industry leader, they probably tried 100MP and found it lacking. I'm not sure that Canon has enough good lenses that won't be mushy towards the edges at 100MP


I believe the 5DSR came years ahead of the a7r4, the first and currently only camera that passed it in terms of MP. Did Sony find its lenses lacking back then, too? Actually, back then that would have been true, less so today.



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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Remember when folks posted comments stating that we were done and that it was going to be absolutely impossible to put more than 4MP on a DSLR sensor? I'm sure glad the pocket protector wearing guys in the white coats didn't read any of those posts..............


The boys with the pocket protectors DID read that crap...., and they're still laughing at how stupid the general photographer public is!!! LoL
John



Jun 13, 2022 at 02:52 AM
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If lenses are "mushy" at 100 MP then I would take that as a excellent reason not to buy a 100MP camera.


Jun 15, 2022 at 09:31 AM
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Robin Smith wrote:
If lenses are "mushy" at 100 MP then I would take that as a excellent reason not to buy a 100MP camera.


Yes, but...

... all lenses produce "softer" image quality at the "edges" — which is what the poster referred to. This does not make a lens "mushy." If it did, all lenses wold be deficient on any sensor... and they aren't.

When it comes to the relationship between lens sharpness and sensor resolution...

(here I have deleted longer text and replaced it with something shorter)

... I would not base sensor resolution choices on the worst performance of my worst lens. It makes more sense to have a sensor that can resolve the best sharpness that my best lens can produce when using its best aperture and taking care of all other factors that affect resolution.

So, not "the sensor provides more resolution that needed for corners at a non-ideal aperture on my lens with the worst corners," but rather "the sensor provides more than enough resolution at the center of an image using my best lens at its ideal aperture," and "plus, there are other benefits to higher resolution sensors, and I might even get a better lens someday."

Which is not to say that everyone needs more sensor resolution, but that's a separate question.

;-)

Dan



Jun 15, 2022 at 10:09 AM
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A compact 100mp camera with a high quality 24mm lens would be a dream. Personally I would rather crop with a high quality prime than zoom with an average quality lens. You can do 24-600mm with a final 4MP output size @ 600mm. 4MP is more than usable on FB/Insta.


Jun 15, 2022 at 02:56 PM
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How about a gigipixel camera, with a 14mm lens?


Jun 15, 2022 at 03:11 PM
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NonDecaf wrote:
A compact 100mp camera with a high quality 24mm lens would be a dream. Personally I would rather crop with a high quality prime than zoom with an average quality lens. You can do 24-600mm with a final 4MP output size @ 600mm. 4MP is more than usable on FB/Insta.


You'd have 160 kilopixels with a 600mm equivalent crop.



Jun 15, 2022 at 03:28 PM
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How about a gigipixel camera, with a 14mm lens?

Now you're talking. I wonder if and when that happens a site like this would fade away, or rather the equipment forums would. I suppose the sites that actually show photos might still be around, but nobody reads them



Jun 15, 2022 at 05:05 PM
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