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Archive 2022 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

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It should be evidently clear by now, especially with the R7 & 10, that Canon is slowly but surely evolving its R /RF line to mirror that of the former highly successful DSLR offerings; so, it's no big surprise that an R5s body is in the pipeline.

May 27, 2022 at 05:19 PM

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dmcphoto wrote:
Why is this rumor any more believable than the countless others there have been in the 7 years since the 5DsR was released?

No one said it is. It is a rumor.

May 27, 2022 at 06:23 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

We need quad pixel AF more than we need a 100+Mpx sensor. Give me that kind of AF system with cross sensors first, so that everything can be focused on accurately then give me the resolution.

May 27, 2022 at 07:07 PM

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TeamSpeed wrote:
We need quad pixel AF more than we need a 100+Mpx sensor. Give me that kind of AF system with cross sensors first, so that everything can be focused on accurately then give me the resolution.

Maybe we can have both at the same time.

May 27, 2022 at 07:19 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

There's little doubt in my mind that as the newer models evolve QuadPixel will become what is currently DualPixel and will be present on most of their fairly competent models.

May 27, 2022 at 08:51 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

Depends how you use the camera.

May 27, 2022 at 08:54 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

An interesting thing about dual pixel AF is that one needs to develop an image sensor that has 90 MP in order to have a 45 MP camera. There are penalties that come along with the benefits. Developing a 100 MP quad pixel AF camera would necessitate having 400 MP. I'd be surprised to see that anytime soon.

May 28, 2022 at 09:50 AM

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Nobody here has a clue what type of sensors there will be in the future. Just like 50 years ago nobody here had any idea that we would have the digital cameras we have today.

May 28, 2022 at 09:53 AM

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May 28, 2022 at 11:10 AM

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gdanmitchell wrote:
Thank you for sharing.

Thanks for your sarcastic reply. Feel better?

May 28, 2022 at 11:19 AM

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Thanks for your sarcastic reply. Feel better?

Was feeling fine already But thanks for asking!

May 28, 2022 at 12:05 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

100mpx in a similar weight to r5 and no aa - I would buy. Lighter would be better. And 32mpx 1.6 crop would be way better than r7 - 1 body. We will see - I have been wating a long time.

I switched to r5 over 5dsr over the weight mostly. Video does nothing for me. The huge buffer is a great feature but my bears don’t require 15 FPS and I have not really noticed the promised higher dynamic range. But I don’t like the aa.

May 28, 2022 at 12:18 PM

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gdanmitchell wrote:
Just saw that rumor. It will be very interesting to see what it looks like when it arrives — the cost, the actual MP, how its general performance is (e.g. what does it give up to the R5 in terms of speed, high ISO, etc.).

That will be a major decision point for me. Rather than moving to the R5 I have continued to use my 5DsR. Yes, the R5 is "better," but not in ways that made me want to jump to it when the camera I have works really well.

In the back of my mind I realize that this...Show more →

As you know I have 5dsr and r5. I have found that For r5
My 200-400 work great
My ef 600 f4 v2 works great
My ts lens , Ef 15/2.8 zeisses work even better because of the flip in adapter
And my ef 24-105F4-7.1, 16/2.8, and 100-400, while not stellar are good enough and light for travel and backpacking
Just missing the R in the 5dsr

Canon has really done a good job of making the transition as seamless as possible

The Fuji are heavy and expensive and shift lens don’t work as well or I would have bought one
Sony is great (Great light lens) but dust control And menu and lower bit bulb ,,,,,

I predict you will find canon the best given that you have ef lens and are familiar with canon

May 28, 2022 at 12:36 PM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

dmcphoto wrote:
Why is this rumor any more believable than the countless others there have been in the 7 years since the 5DsR was released?

Wasn't the 5DsR -II seen being tested in the field around 2018?

Anyone wanna buy a bridge?

I totally agree with your sentiment.
At this point I don’t think the rumor sites have any reliable/useful information. They get semi reliable 2-4 weeks before announcement, but that is such a short time you might as well wait for official info.
Is a high megapixel FF R body coming. Well that is pretty much certain. But how many megapixels, nobody on these rumor sites knows.
I will almost certainly buy one when it finally comes out though.

May 28, 2022 at 02:14 PM

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Scott Stoness wrote:
100mpx in a similar weight to r5 and no aa - I would buy. Lighter would be better. And 32mpx 1.6 crop would be way better than r7 - 1 body. We will see - I have been wating a long time.

I switched to r5 over 5dsr over the weight mostly. Video does nothing for me. The huge buffer is a great feature but my bears don’t require 15 FPS and I have not really noticed the promised higher dynamic range. But I don’t like the aa.

Your second paragraph more or less explains why I stuck with the 5DsR. The weight is a bit more, but it was a matter of the difference not being enough to justify the cost of the R5 for body weight only, especially since I've already factored that into my approach.

There's little reason to put an AA filter in a 100MP FF sensor camera since any aliasing would be taking place at an incredibly small scale where it would likely be eliminated by the natural "softness" of the focused image — even a very well focused image. On the other hand, when I tested images from both the 5Ds and the 5DsR back when I was trying to decide between them, in the end I decided that once I took both though optimized post-processing workflows there was really no significant sharpness difference. So if Canon decided to use some very weak AA filtering it would not like be a real-world issue at all.

I do wish that Canon would focus a bit more on lightening and shrinking the cameras. My hunch is that they decided that since they have a legacy Canon look in their bodies (large and rounded) that they would keep that industrial design branding on the mirrorless camera to connect them with their legacy. I do understand that, but I hope they consider moving away from that design concept soon and towards something a bit smaller and more tightly designed.

matejphoto wrote:
At this point I don’t think the rumor sites have any reliable/useful information. They get semi reliable 2-4 weeks before announcement, but that is such a short time you might as well wait for official info.
Is a high megapixel FF R body coming. Well that is pretty much certain. But how many megapixels, nobody on these rumor sites knows.
I will almost certainly buy one when it finally comes out though.

The rumor sites are, uh, "rumor" sites. I think the mistake comes in assuming that they are something else. If you recognize them for what they are — e.g. don't assume that anyone "knows" that Canon will introduce a 100MP FF body in 2023 – then they are useful for detecting how things are evolving.

The fact of the matter is that the only alternatives would be to not think at all about the range of possible future developments or to somehow try to glean the actual verifiable facts about unannounced gear. The second case isn't going to happen, and in the first case (no sense of what might be coming) you could more easily make purchase errors. Case in point: Before we knew the details of specifications and pricing and even design, we knew that Canon was going to introduce high quality mirrorless cameras. That was useful information even when all of the details were not known.

Dan

May 28, 2022 at 02:36 PM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

I hope it is released in a 1D series body.

May 29, 2022 at 05:05 AM

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danski0224 wrote:
I hope it is released in a 1D series body.

Many of us who cart these things around on our back would prefer that Canon take the lead of Sony and make the bodies as small as reasonably possible while ensuring decent control access.

May 29, 2022 at 09:13 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Canon Rumors: 100MP+ Canon R5s coming in 2023

Imagemaster wrote:
Nobody here has a clue what type of sensors there will be in the future. Just like 50 years ago nobody here had any idea that we would have the digital cameras we have today.

gdammitchell wrote:
Thank you for sharing.

Imagemaster wrote:
Thanks for your sarcastic reply. Feel better?

At least it was concise. Isn't that a win?

May 29, 2022 at 09:26 AM

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gdanmitchell wrote:
Many of us who cart these things around on our back would prefer that Canon take the lead of Sony and make the bodies as small as reasonably possible while ensuring decent control access.

I had all of the Canon 1Ds series bodies, which I lugged around everywhere because it was necessary if you wanted the IQ. Canon abandoned the 1Ds series after the 1Ds Mk III. It took them seven years (sound familiar?) to come up with the 5DsR, which was their first camera to exceed the 1Ds Mk III's base ISO image quality.

The 1Ds series was alright but too heavy even for its time. I'd never carry a camera of that weight, or close to it, again. There are more alternatives from other makers today than there were in the days of the 1Ds series cameras.

May 29, 2022 at 11:23 AM

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dmcphoto wrote:
I had all of the Canon 1Ds series bodies, which I lugged around everywhere because it was necessary if you wanted the IQ. Canon abandoned the 1Ds series after the 1Ds Mk III. It took them seven years (sound familiar?) to come up with the 5DsR, which was their first camera to exceed the 1Ds Mk III's base ISO image quality.

The 1Ds series was alright but too heavy even for its time. I'd never carry a camera of that weight, or close to it, again. There are more alternatives from other makers today than there were in the days of...Show more →

I think we're on the same page here.

Many may not recall that the first Canon FF bodies were the 1Ds series — the only way to get FF at that time was to buy the very most expensive, biggest, and heaviest system. It was a fine camera. All of the other options used Canon's 1.6x cropped sensors.

At the time when state-of-the-art was the 1Ds model with a 16MP sensor Canon introduced the 5D with a 12MP sensor. Even with the lower MP sensor, the 5D took off. Most of the people found that the 12MP FF sensor was a significant improvement over the 8MP cropped sensors, that it was awfully close to the output of the 16MP sensor, that it was less expensive, and that for the way that they were using the 5D (a lot of landscape folks!) the smaller size and lower weight were real pluses.

I think that Canon's designs for the high-end mirrorless bodies are kind of trying to hold onto the DNA of the old-school big, heavy, curved bodies of their DSLRs. There are likely some marketing reasons for this choice, including that people already had a lot of confidence in DSLR bodies with that appearance.

I hope that Canon begins to move away from this (kind of) old school approach and instead begins to take better advantage of the potential to make mirrorless FF bodies that are compact and lighter — not just at the low end, but all the way through the line-up.

May 29, 2022 at 11:36 AM

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