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Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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p.10 #1 · p.10 #1 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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Beautiful shot!!

Thanks George, much appreciated.

May 16, 2022 at 03:36 PM

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p.10 #2 · p.10 #2 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

One from this morning in the back yard!

Ruby-throated Hummingbird on Hibiscus

May 16, 2022 at 07:21 PM

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p.10 #3 · p.10 #3 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Pelican dive, with a Z9 - cake, right?
Add the 800PF , @ close range (~50ft) and it is slightly more challenging - at least for an inland guy.

I know... I need to get out more!

4 consecutive shots @ 20FPS make this duration approx. 0.2 seconds. These big guys drop in pretty fast!

May 17, 2022 at 07:46 AM

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p.10 #4 · p.10 #4 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

A selection from this morning at the park

Z9, 800pf

Kildeer

Painted Bunting

Dowitcher

Black Skimmer

Pileated Woodpecker

May 17, 2022 at 09:05 AM

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p.10 #5 · p.10 #5 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

I am envious of all of the fabulous photos being posted. I interrupt this festive thread to wonder, are people who are not NPS receiving pre-ordered lenses? I ask because I had thought I ordered mine promptly (from a prominent Texas dealer on I have had good experience with previously). In fact, when I pre-ordered (April 6, including paying a deposit) the person I dealt with was unaware that the lens was even in the works. I know that in the real world sometimes one is dropped down "the list" a little in favor of local "friends", but I keep thinking that any day I will receive "the notification." All good things are worth waiting for, but now, several weeks since the first lenses were sent out, I am wondering what Nikon's fulfillment schedule might be.

May 17, 2022 at 09:14 AM

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p.10 #6 · p.10 #6 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

George DeCamp wrote:
A selection from this morning at the park

Z9, 800pf

Nice set George. Love the Skimmer.

May 17, 2022 at 10:30 AM

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p.10 #7 · p.10 #7 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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I am envious of all of the fabulous photos being posted. I interrupt this festive thread to wonder, are people who are not NPS receiving pre-ordered lenses? I ask because I had thought I ordered mine promptly (from a prominent Texas dealer on I have had good experience with previously). In fact, when I pre-ordered (April 6, including paying a deposit) the person I dealt with was unaware that the lens was even in the works. I know that in the real world sometimes one is dropped down "the list" a little in favor of local "friends", but I keep...Show more →

It's hard to say how individual shops handle their allocations.

I know the that my local dealer (in Dallas) is incredibly diligent in following the order sequence. I have seen them ship out orders to folks abroad prior to fulfilling local orders that were placed at a later date.

YMMV....

The fly in that ointment is that when Nikon ships items for NPS orders, they are designated for specif people by Nikon.

May 17, 2022 at 10:38 AM

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p.10 #8 · p.10 #8 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Are people really happy with the performance and sharpness of this lens? I would think it would be on par with the 500PF and 300PF in terms of sharpness and ease of handling. When viewing on my 5k imac many of the images posted seem to have very unflattering backgrounds and I am not blown away at all with the sharpness either. Maybe just some growing pains with the lens or eagerness to use and post so not shooting in optimal conditions? Hope I don't sound too much like a bozo but for $6,500 I would want better results than what I am seeing. Hope there is not too much hate flowing after this but just being honest

May 17, 2022 at 04:36 PM

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p.10 #9 · p.10 #9 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

You have to download the picture or do a save as then view it at 1:1 per the resolution of the pictures posted.
I too, questioned the images I posted when viewing on the browser. The browser try to fit the image on the screen and therefore expand the image more than it intended.
A lot of us has 4K+ screen now and unless you have a super high resolution on the images that are posted, it’ll look like crap on the browser. But regardless of what you or anyone else sees, I know I’m happy with the IQ of this lens and the weight and balance and VR definitely make it a keeper lens for a very very long time.

May 17, 2022 at 05:17 PM

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p.10 #10 · p.10 #10 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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You have to download the picture or do a save as then view it at 1:1 per the resolution of the pictures posted.
I too, questioned the images I posted when viewing on the browser. The browser try to fit the image on the screen and therefore expand the image more than it intended.
A lot of us has 4K+ screen now and unless you have a super high resolution on the images that are posted, it’ll look like crap on the browser. But regardless of what you or anyone else sees, I know I’m happy with the...Show more →

There is for sure an art to processing your images to be viewed properly on the web. But even if what you were saying is true that doesn’t in anyway change the backgrounds. Nor does it change the fact that there are plenty of images posted on the site that look significantly sharper than most of what I am seeing in this thread.

May 17, 2022 at 05:23 PM

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p.10 #11 · p.10 #11 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

aboutthelight wrote:
There is for sure an art to processing your images to be viewed properly on the web. But even if what you were saying is true that doesn’t in anyway change the backgrounds. Nor does it change the fact that there are plenty of images posted on the site that look significantly sharper than most of what I am seeing in this thread.

Backgrounds depend on how far away from them you are as opposed to your subject as I'm sure you know. I have the new 400/2.8Z as well and not all the backgrounds look awesome, some were just too close. I'm sure as time goes on and people get used to the lens, that's only been out for a month and the Z9 that people are really just getting there will be a difference. Down the road a couple months people posting will want to post only their best images as opposed to now posting some because it is so new.

May 17, 2022 at 06:09 PM

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p.10 #12 · p.10 #12 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

I would agree that background blur is not always flattering but it also depends on the background and distance to the subject. I have seen some excellent bokeh and some not so good.
I could see some difference between 400/2.8s+ TCx2 so 800/5.6 equvalent vs 800PF but I have not seen a sample under the same setting where 400/2.8S+TCx2 bokeh is excellent but 800PF is ugly.
Sharpness is hard as it really depends a lot of post processing. I do add sharpening in some images but not always. Sometimes I use sharpening unmask, sometimes I use high pass filter. It really depends on my mood or than anything else

I have no idea how other people add sharpening if at all in their images but I can say this much, on my monitor, the picture that I see on my monitor in PS always look better than what I see the same image that I posted in FM. I used 500/4e FL and 600/4e FL a lot in the past and still own 400/2.8S, I still think that 800PF is the best lens when I need focal lenght around 800mm of all the lenses that I have or had.

May 17, 2022 at 07:02 PM

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p.10 #13 · p.10 #13 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

I agree that when a lens first comes out that people are eager to post and get a bit too loose with their technique. When I shot Nikon and with the 500PF I used it under what I would deem ideal conditions for that lens. I used it for some flight shots when I had close birds and distant backgrounds, and for some times when my 600F4E was too much lens and I needed to shoot 500mm. Again I was in close with distant backgrounds. That was the key with the PF lenses. Distant backgrounds. They are beautifully sharp prime lenses but they are not f4 primes. They are light and are a compromise lens and I am not so sure that people are treating them as such. To make matters worse the 800PF is a 6.3 lens so you are already letting in a bit more of that background. That gets compounded if not shooting at an ideal shooting angle with a distant background. It is further compounded when not shooting in ideal light.

May 17, 2022 at 08:30 PM

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p.10 #14 · p.10 #14 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

Again. A 600f4 is about the same DOF as 800f6.3 or f5.6 for that matter shot at the same distance. Of course, if you can get close to the bird to have the same FOV, the larger aperture will yield a thinner DOF hence the more blurred background. Comparing the 500f5.6 and 600f4 background is silly. Of course the 600f4 will win. It has more mm and a larger aperture. I bet you if you put the 600f4 with the 1.4x TC to get 840 f5.6 and compare that to a 800f6.3 shot at the same distance, you can’t tell the difference without looking at the exif.
I don’t think any of my photos with the 800pf are portfolio worthy. Those are hard to come by and you really have to work hard and set that goal.
It’s also depending on what you get to work with. The chance of getting that portfolio shot is much better when you have plenty of birds around you. And the more time you spend out there the better chance you’ll get that shot.

May 17, 2022 at 09:50 PM

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p.10 #15 · p.10 #15 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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I agree that when a lens first comes out that people are eager to post and get a bit too loose with their technique. When I shot Nikon and with the 500PF I used it under what I would deem ideal conditions for that lens. I used it for some flight shots when I had close birds and distant backgrounds, and for some times when my 600F4E was too much lens and I needed to shoot 500mm. Again I was in close with distant backgrounds. That was the key with the PF lenses. Distant backgrounds. They are beautifully sharp prime...Show more →

Im not understanding the point of your comments in your past couple of posts? The 800pf is every bit as good as the 500pf which can and does produce awesome images. It's not a 600f4 and it's not 13 thousand dollars either. So what's your point? If you are not liking it, don't use one use a 600f4. It's ok to do that!

May 17, 2022 at 10:41 PM

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p.10 #16 · p.10 #16 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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Im not understanding the point of your comments in your past couple of posts? The 800pf is every bit as good as the 500pf which can and does produce awesome images. It's not a 600f4 and it's not 13 thousand dollars either. So what's your point? If you are not liking it, don't use one use a 600f4. It's ok to do that!

OK so since the defensive comments have started let me be more clear and direct. It has nothing to do with how I use or don’t use this lens, it has to do with how those who are posting images with it are using the lens which very clearly includes you. The whole point is that it is not a $13,000 lens so people should not shoot it like it is and ignore some if its shortcomings. I see 8 pages of images that look like they could have been taken with any budget lens produced in the last 10 years. And many of those images have subjects too close to backgrounds which is a major weakness of any long lens but especially the PF lenses. I very clearly explained how I shot my PF lenses with close subjects and distant backgrounds. Why did I do that? To get the best results while working within the limitations of the lenses. I don’t think there is any merit in nothing but great shot comments on any thread. And I surely don’t see any shots on all 8 pages of this thread that I think show off the true potential of what this lens is capable of. Is my point clearer now to you? As this is a gear thread and not a critique forum I will leave it at the gear is capable of far better.

May 17, 2022 at 11:17 PM

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p.10 #17 · p.10 #17 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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OK so since the defensive comments have started let me be more clear and direct. It has nothing to do with how I use or don’t use this lens, it has to do with how those who are posting images with it are using the lens which very clearly includes you. The whole point is that it is not a $13,000 lens so people should not shoot it like it is and ignore some if its shortcomings. I see 8 pages of images that look like they could have been taken with any budget lens produced in the last 10...Show more →

Who are you to decide what is best for anyone? Is that clear to you? Wait don't tell me you shoot a 600f4 and yours is better.. Why not go use your lens and post some images so we can all be impressed!!

May 17, 2022 at 11:22 PM

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p.10 #18 · p.10 #18 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

If you are happy with your results and the images posted meet your standards than just ignore me. Problem solved

May 17, 2022 at 11:41 PM

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p.10 #19 · p.10 #19 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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If you are happy with your results and the images posted meet your standards than just ignore me. Problem solved

Once again why not show us how it should be done by posting some of your images?

May 17, 2022 at 11:43 PM

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p.10 #20 · p.10 #20 · Official 800PF image and discussion thread

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Once again why not show us how it should be done by posting some of your images?

I don’t own an 800pf and never will so I won’t post images on this thread. But like everyone else I am entitled to my opinion and trust me I am not alone in thinking that this lens is not being used to even close to its full potential. I know many people that are interested in it and check these boards as a reference. Many people have commented to me about these 10 (not 8 like I said previously) pages and questioned if I think the lens is as good as the other pf lenses. It is because they also saw results that they were not happy with.

And if you really care to check click on the link to my Instagram that I very recently started to put some recent images on. For clarity they are a combination of Sony and Nikon images. If you like them great, if not that is also fine. Either way it is irrelevant to the performance of a lens that I don’t own.

May 17, 2022 at 11:57 PM

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