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p.4 #1 · p.4 #1 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


ruthenium wrote:
because the word, "inferior", has strong negative connotations (as in "inferior race").



You thought he was making a comment on race? This was an entirely unnecessary shot across the bow which seems intended to intimidate the poster, or at the very least to assume a "superior" moral position (ironic, isn't it?). If your personal speech code makes you feel more virtuous, then good for you, but I think everyone understood that the poster was talking about their personal opinion of the optical qualities of the lenses under discussion.



Jun 22, 2022 at 09:17 AM
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p.4 #2 · p.4 #2 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


mjk115 wrote:
You thought he was making a comment on race? This was an entirely unnecessary shot across the bow which seems intended to intimidate the poster, or at the very least to assume a "superior" moral position (ironic, isn't it?). If your personal speech code makes you feel more virtuous, then good for you, but I think everyone understood that the poster was talking about their personal opinion of the optical qualities of the lenses under discussion.


The poster could not have a personal opinion about the lens they have never used, and the description of the lens as inferior was plain wrong. I can assure you that there was no attempt to intimidate anyone, and I have no reason to believe that the poster was in fact offended by my comment.



Jun 22, 2022 at 09:42 AM
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p.4 #3 · p.4 #3 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


Humans are full to the brim of all sorts of personal opinions about things they've never used or done. You might even have a few yourself. But to inject such a serious issue into this discussion was unnecessary.


Jun 22, 2022 at 09:50 AM
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p.4 #4 · p.4 #4 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


Maxxus46 wrote:
If it matters, the Tamron 35-150 IQ is very good, but not in the same regard as the 70-200GM MKII. The GM is sharper, has better color and contrast. The GM also has much faster AF and can handle 30FPS where the Tamron cannot (max is 10 fps in my tests with the A1). I will also say the Tamron is front heavy, poorly balanced. Not a fun lens to use for more than an hour or so. The new GM is superbly balanced ,with elements shifted toward the camera body it handles like a dream. End of the day
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Thanks for this, your point on balance is something I cant tell without actually trying the 35-150, I have tried the 70-200GMii and it feels suprisingly light on the camera.

The idea of shifting lens elements closer to your hands DOES have a big impact, The zeiss SF 8x42 and 8x32 employs this idea to greate effect.

I will dump some research here incase someone finds it useful.


First, I really doubt a 35-150 will replace the 35GM for me on the wide end.

The corners of the 35-150 @ 35, f/2 and f/2,8 https://youtu.be/e2rzoRugeQo?t=315 looks significantly softer than the 35GM @ 1.4 to my eyes https://youtu.be/8Bd4spKh6vE?t=184


From the-digital-picture's samples,

35-150 vs 35GM @ f/2

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1585&Camera=1538&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=1537&CameraComp=1538&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2

The 35GM is significantly better.... but no suprises here tbh, the 35GM is one of the best primes around. Even at f/1.4 the 35GM is still sharper.


35-150 vs 70-200GMii

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1585&Camera=1538&Sample=0&FLI=2&API=1&LensComp=1577&CameraComp=1538&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0

The 35-150 appears to be better in the corners at 70/2.8

But at 100/2.8, there is a reversal, where the 70-200GMii appears to be better

Unfortunately there is no sample of the 35-150 at 135mm, but we can see that the 70-200 at 135 and 200mm beats the 35-150 at 150mm.

This is a similar result to this review, where the corners of the 35-150 @ 150/2.8 also look soft https://youtu.be/e2rzoRugeQo?t=378

35-150 vs 28-75 + 70-180

Centre & Corner: 28-75 > 35-150 @ 35.2.8 https://youtu.be/imdLo25Sh_E?t=790

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1585&Camera=1538&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=1586&CameraComp=1538&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0

Corner & Centre: 28-75 == 35-150 @ 50/2.8 https://youtu.be/imdLo25Sh_E?t=829

Corner & Midframe: 28-75 < 35-150 @ 70/2.8 https://youtu.be/imdLo25Sh_E?t=878

Corner: 70-180 > 35-150 @ 70/2.8 https://youtu.be/imdLo25Sh_E?t=917

Corner: 70-180 > 35-150 @ 100/2.8 https://youtu.be/imdLo25Sh_E?t=955

No test at 150mm vs 150mm, seems to be optically similar 150mm vs 180mm. Both dont do so well on the long end.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1585&Camera=1538&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=1&LensComp=1507&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0


70-200GMii vs 70-180

At 70mm, the Tamron is sharper
At 100mm, they seem very close
At 135mm and beyond, the Sony is sharper.


https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1577&Camera=1538&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=0&LensComp=1507&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0

70-200GMii vs 135GM

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1577&Camera=1538&Sample=0&FLI=2&API=0&LensComp=1421&CameraComp=1538&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2

Incredibly the samples at f/2.8 are closer than the zoom has any right to be. I suppose the 70-200GMii performs the best at 135mm.



Jun 22, 2022 at 12:05 PM
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p.4 #5 · p.4 #5 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


I think that's a fair summary .

I'd throw in also the local user tests mentioned before:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1733272/0#15797076
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1712652/47#15780597
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1733272/1#15800488
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1712652/38#15760498

so anyone can compare the photos themselves.

I'll also add a quick comparison shot I just took (with 35GM) @f2 at 200% in the very (right upper) corner:

f2_RU_200


You can click the link to view the original size on flickr. Arguably, I think it's the best corner of my Tamron copy, which is not perfectly centered, while my 35GM is, but I think it shows how close they can be.



Jun 23, 2022 at 04:54 AM
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