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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


Wondering what people like me, shooting what I do (below), are using between 16-35 and 70-200 f2.8 zooms. In recent years what I like to shoot has changed, from family related trips, sports and events, to mostly landscapes and walk around. So much more relaxing! I like natural light, indoors and out.

My current lenses are below. The first Sony lens I bought was the 24-105 but I find I don't use it. The radical new me usually starts out with the 16-35, and carry the 70-200 with a 1.4 extender. Sometimes I'm starting to walk around with the 70-200. I could keep the 24-105 as a "travel lens", but I suspect I won't use it: after big DSLR's and f/2.8 zooms, I find the a7 and 16-35 and 70-200 lenses are very reasonable carry.

What I'm thinking is replace the 24-105 with a fast 35mm prime, like the 35 f/1.4 GM. I'd use it for low light indoors and evening walk arounds, where the f/2.8's are not quite fast enough. And it would be fun to play with shallow DOF as well.

I don't think I'd miss 36-69, and I can always use the rIV's crop mode to get 50mm on the 16-35 and a 35 prime. And with 61mp's I can crop more.

But to not have the must-have "standard zoom" makes me feel naked, like losing a safety net. The horror! Yet the 16-35 is my go-to now, and I'm really bonding with using 70-200 in ways I never would have dared before. Which leads to new thoughts about lenses. Maybe an old dog can learn new tricks?

I've been researching as well, but wanted to ask specifically if anyone else do something like this has any thoughts? Am I missing something? Any thoughts much appreciated!

BackgroundExperience:
I've been a pure hobbyist, for the last 30 years or so, starting with an Olympus clamshell, then getting SLR's when the kids started to get involved in more challenging activities (sports, ballet, theater, etc). The journey started way back in college with a Canon AE-1 and a 50mm prime. Moved to digital with a Canon 20D, then to Nikon D750 through D800, then to Fuji a few years ago, and now Sony. I've carried the f2.8 24-70's and 70-200's from Canon and Nikon, then after a short hiatus, Fuji ASP-C and equivalents to the Canon and Nikon f2.8's. Tried primes but never took to them, always reached for the zooms. Went to Sony recently as I need a hobby and decided wanted to go back to FF.

What I discovered with Fuji, and now Sony, is I can walk around with just a 16-35 FL instead of a 24-70'ish. Also now using the 70-200 for landscape, something I never really did before. And really connecting with that lens. I also still like low natural light, in doors and out.

What I often shoot:
- Landscapes (often late afternoon and sunsets
- Street (often early morning and evening)
- Indoor natural light (i.e. museums, historic sites, restaurants, etc)

Body:
a7R IV A

Current Lenses:
Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM
Sony 70-200 f/2.8 GM OSS II
Sony 24-105 f4 G
Sony 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 G (selling)



Mar 31, 2022 at 03:29 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


I am also a hobbyist and shoot similar things. I don't have your zooms but in my prime line-up, I jump from the 35GM to the 85 Batis. Last year I saw an interesting video by Andy Mumford about taking landscape images that offered different perspectives from what we normally see (approx 50mm). https://youtu.be/QtTxkgkeuak

I found the video interesting since I have owned and sold the 50GM and 55/1.8 since I rarely used them and when I re-vamped my prime line-up last year, I did not re-buy the 50 or 55.

I figure I can always crop a bit from the 35GM which has great IQ.

This is what is so fun about photography for me as a hobbyist... whatever perspective I prefer is fine since I am the only person I have to please and I do like capturing images that offer a different perspective then what I saw from where I was standing.

I am planning to re-buy the 16-35GM & 24-105 as a nice 2 lens travel kit and leave the primes at home (15,20,35,85,135)

Still contemplating getting the new 70-200 with 1.4x and make the 16-35GM and 70-200 my hiking setup. I had the 16-35GM as my EDC on a capture clip and always liked the images.

If you want to sell your 24-105 and it is a sharp , centered copy, pls PM me



Mar 31, 2022 at 05:54 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


I still use a Contax 35-70mm f3.4 on an adapter for landscape stuff even though I own the Sony 24-105. Smaller, lighter, with great color and contrast compared to the 24-105. I am toying with the idea of Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 Gen 2 as a replacement for both, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet.

The CV 50mm APO is quite stellar also in that range.



Mar 31, 2022 at 06:13 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


That's my standard two lens setup for travel - 16-35mm on one body and 70-200 or 70-300 on the other. For the wide lens, I use a Sony A7RIV and either the 16-35mm GM or the 16-35mm Zeiss f4. For the long lens, I prefer the Canon options - either an RF 70-200mm f4L or an EF70-300mm f4-f5.6L, both on a Canon R5.


Mar 31, 2022 at 09:47 PM
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I shoot just about everything except people, at least when I can avoid it. I have and infrequently use the FE 16-35/4. It doesnít have the sharpest corners, but it works great with infrared. For landscape work, I generally shoot the 24GM or 35GM, both being fantastic. For wider than 24, Iíll be picking up the Sigma 14-24/2.8. Just a stunning zoom lens. I have avoided the 16-35/2.8 GM because it creates hot spots in infrared, but I imagine it is a great lens otherwise.

On the long side, I typically shoot either a Contax 100/2 or the Sony 135/1.8 GM. I have the Sony 100-400 but tend to use it for wildlife but donít take it when I know I want to shoot landscapes. I also find ~50mm to be a good landscape lens when trying to key in on a feature from a distance. My go-to there is typically the Leica M 50/2 pre-ASPH, but I had great luck with the FE 50/1.4 ZA.

On the wider side, both the 12-24/2.8 GM and the Sigma 14-24/2.8 Art are stellar lenses. The Sigma is amazingly sharp, while the GM has better distortion control.

Happy shooting!
Jim



Mar 31, 2022 at 10:37 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


Like you, I have zooms for wide and short tele (But mine are Tamronís versions). Iíve never loved the standard zoom, I would much rather use fast primes. Iíve bounced between quite a few, but none Iíve loved more then the Voigtlander 40/1.2. Iíve held onto the Sony 55/1.8 for a long time though, as I find itís a very good fast compact lens. I still use it on occasion when AF is needed.


Apr 01, 2022 at 12:47 AM
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You don't need to have many lenses if you don't want to
I feel like with your setup you could add a fast prime somewhere in the 35-50 range, but probably not longer than that given your scenarios. A 35GM, Batis 40, CV40 or 50GM might all fit that bill.



Apr 01, 2022 at 01:45 AM
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Grenache wrote:
I shoot just about everything except people, at least when I can avoid it. I have and infrequently use the FE 16-35/4. It doesnít have the sharpest corners, but it works great with infrared. For landscape work, I generally shoot the 24GM or 35GM, both being fantastic. For wider than 24, Iíll be picking up the Sigma 14-24/2.8. Just a stunning zoom lens. I have avoided the 16-35/2.8 GM because it creates hot spots in infrared, but I imagine it is a great lens otherwise.

On the long side, I typically shoot either a Contax 100/2 or the Sony 135/1.8 GM.
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Jim, off the topic, I also have the 16-35 Sony Zeiss for my infrared a7III. I just sold my sigma 14-24 due to the lack of use. If I recall correctly, I tested the sigma for hot spot infrared, it was bad. But my memory could be wrong.



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Douglas L wrote:
Jim, off the topic, I also have the 16-35 Sony Zeiss for my infrared a7III. I just sold my sigma 14-24 due to the lack of use. If I recall correctly, I tested the sigma for hot spot infrared, it was bad. But my memory could be wrong.



Thanks, Douglas. I am testing one now. At least for IR-Chrome, the Sigma 14-24 is marvelousÖevery bit as sharp as vis spectrum. Itís bulbous front element precludes using normal filters, but I recently bought a couple internal magnetic Kolari filters. They work really well, but somehow, I did not buy an R72Öso I canít comment on how the Sigma does with that or less permissive filters. By contrast, the 35GM hot spot is significantly improved by the internal IR-Chrome.

Jim



Apr 01, 2022 at 11:13 AM
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offtraildog wrote:
I am also a hobbyist and shoot similar things. I don't have your zooms but in my prime line-up, I jump from the 35GM to the 85 Batis. Last year I saw an interesting video by Andy Mumford about taking landscape images that offered different perspectives from what we normally see (approx 50mm). https://youtu.be/QtTxkgkeuak

I found the video interesting since I have owned and sold the 50GM and 55/1.8 since I rarely used them and when I re-vamped my prime line-up last year, I did not re-buy the 50 or 55.

I figure I can always crop a bit from the
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Thanks, and appreciate the link to Andy. Forgot all about Andy, and tt was very helpful to watch this one all the way through this time, plus a few more. I recall looking at some his comments when i was using Fuji, and was looking into the 10-24 f/4. I wish I had his eye for things! I had briefly tried a 16-35 FF many years ago, but was addicted to 24-70. But with Fuji and my evolving interests, the the 10-24 became my favorite lens.

When I look at all there outstanding images shared here and elsewhere with that Fuji lens, and the Sony 16-35 GM, what really jumps out is that while all the technical based reviews and stats are very helpful, its really being able to see something in a scene the majority of people miss... and having enough technical skills photography skills to use whatever camera and lens is at hand to capture it.

The new 70-200 is really something ... feels like an f/4 to carry, nothing like the Nikon or Canon f/2.8's. Just wish it were black, less noticeable.









Sony 16-35 f/2.8, @f/5.6, 28mm







Sony 70-200 f/2.8 GM II, @ f/7.1, 82mm




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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Curious what lenses people are using 16-35 and 70-200?


These are the two bread and butter lenses for photojournalists / editorial photographers.

Many of us feel no need for anything in between but some pros also carry a 24-70 f2.8. As you likely know, Sony's updated version is soon to be announced.

I also own a fine Tamron 28-75 f2.8. I like it because it is far lighter than the Sony first gen. However, I rarely use it because those focal lengths far less often captivate me. If rumors are true, the updated Sony will be much lighter, just as their new 70-200 is.

Rather than trying to fill the middle, I recommend one fixed focal length lens--in the length of your choice that is faster yet for lowest light. My favorite focal length is 24 so I picked up the stellar Sony 24mm f1.4. Since then I've also bought the Sony 35mm f1.4. Both amazing.



Apr 01, 2022 at 02:01 PM
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billsnature wrote:
I still use a Contax 35-70mm f3.4 on an adapter for landscape stuff even though I own the Sony 24-105. Smaller, lighter, with great color and contrast compared to the 24-105. I am toying with the idea of Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 Gen 2 as a replacement for both, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet.

The CV 50mm APO is quite stellar also in that range.


I considered the Tampon G2 as well, and if I wanted faster f/2/,8 that would have been my choice as well. I don't use this range enough to spring for a GM 24-70, although I'll bet the new version rumored about, if it's anything like the new 70-200 GM II, will be fantastic. I know people say the 24-105 is "flat", but how you process a RAW image can off-set.

Sounds like you don't carry a fast prime for very low light?




Apr 01, 2022 at 02:03 PM
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httivals wrote:
That's my standard two lens setup for travel - 16-35mm on one body and 70-200 or 70-300 on the other. For the wide lens, I use a Sony A7RIV and either the 16-35mm GM or the 16-35mm Zeiss f4. For the long lens, I prefer the Canon options - either an RF 70-200mm f4L or an EF70-300mm f4-f5.6L, both on a Canon R5.


Thanks! Sounds like you don't carry a fast prime for very low light?



Apr 01, 2022 at 02:04 PM
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Grenache wrote:
I shoot just about everything except people, at least when I can avoid it. I have and infrequently use the FE 16-35/4. It doesnít have the sharpest corners, but it works great with infrared. For landscape work, I generally shoot the 24GM or 35GM, both being fantastic. For wider than 24, Iíll be picking up the Sigma 14-24/2.8. Just a stunning zoom lens. I have avoided the 16-35/2.8 GM because it creates hot spots in infrared, but I imagine it is a great lens otherwise.

On the long side, I typically shoot either a Contax 100/2 or the Sony 135/1.8 GM.
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Thanks! So you are using two fast primes: 24 and 35 on the short end. I haven't gone wider than 14, and so far find that 16-35 range ideal for so many things. So adding a fast 35 prime would cover for very low light. I considered 50 as well, but figured 35 and the ASP-C factor might be more flexible in that it gets me to 50. The 16-35 GM is great, but in very low light where there are people, it could be too slow.




Apr 01, 2022 at 02:11 PM
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grahamgibson wrote:
Like you, I have zooms for wide and short tele (But mine are Tamronís versions). Iíve never loved the standard zoom, I would much rather use fast primes. Iíve bounced between quite a few, but none Iíve loved more then the Voigtlander 40/1.2. Iíve held onto the Sony 55/1.8 for a long time though, as I find itís a very good fast compact lens. I still use it on occasion when AF is needed.


Thanks! I have always been more "zoom brained" than prime, so have tried and sold over the years. I'm leaning 35 vs 50, because the rIV can get me to 50mm and 26 MP in ASPC mode, and still have f/1.4.




Apr 01, 2022 at 02:14 PM
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Alan Parker wrote:
You don't need to have many lenses if you don't want to
I feel like with your setup you could add a fast prime somewhere in the 35-50 range, but probably not longer than that given your scenarios. A 35GM, Batis 40, CV40 or 50GM might all fit that bill.


Thanks Alan! I was thinking of 40mm vs 35. Leaning to 35 because it seems when I think 35 is not long enough, I'm finding 70 is not too long. And 35 seems to feel right for so much. I've been conditioned to not over lap, with every lens having to cover a unique range. That pointed to a longer fast prime, like 50mm. But I've had 50's before, "just in case", but never used them. Not having a 24-70 would make more sense now. I'm thinking start with a 35, as that can crop to 50. Who knows!



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Street photos : 24 f1.4 on a7r3 (or Leica Q)
16-35 f4 doesnít get used much
90 f2.8 macro
70-180 tamron all purpose
200-600 +1.4x for birds



Apr 01, 2022 at 02:20 PM
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@patriot agree about the white 70-200. once I buy it, I plan to get a wrap
https://www.lifeguard-design.com/products/lifeguard-sonyfe70200f28gmossii-lensskin

$70 USD



Apr 01, 2022 at 04:26 PM
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So many good comments. What can I add?

1. For multi day travel weather sealing is important. I've learned (the hard way) not to tote cameras and lenses lacking weather sealing when I'll be on the ocean shore, in the mountains, in a desert. For Sony shooters this nixes the wonderful Voigtlanders, the 50 f2 Apo-Lanthar, mentioned above.

2. For Sony shooters the new 16-35 f4 PZ is a game changer. For those who travel and shoot landscape it's small, light, and optically excellent. Both zoom and focus are internal; no telescoping surfaces to drag dirt into the works. Mine is on pre order.

3. Sony shooters should skip the 70-200 and instead get the Tamron 70-180 f2.8 which is far lighter than even the new Sony 70-200 and is optically excellent. Much easier to carry and to handle. Pleasure to use. Barely bigger than the venerable 4/24-105.

4. If I anticipate wild flowers I want my Batis 40 CF. If I anticipate low light, indoor shooting, again the Batis. Carrying this with the Tamron 70-180 shares 67mm filters. This combination is my two lens hiking kit. I can pano with the 40mm when wider view is needed for a static scene. The Batis is very well weather sealed, internal focusing, my go to lens when the air is filled with ocean fog or spray.

5. For sunstars, aperture stars, pleasure using, I use the Loxia 21. I simultaneously owned the 1.4/24 GM but I prefer in this focal length to have the aperture stars and the direct linear manual focusing, and I sold the 24 GM. At least the Loxia has a lens mount gasket. Again, for static landscape scenes I can shoot panos and vertical panos without needing a wider fov. This lens with a set of 21mm filters is easy to pack. Even when I carry the new 16-35 PZ i'll probably have the Loxia 21 in my bag.



Jun 04, 2022 at 11:27 PM
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rphandler wrote:
1. For multi day travel weather sealing is important. I've learned (the hard way) not to tote cameras and lenses lacking weather sealing when I'll be on the ocean shore, in the mountains, in a desert.

Sony shooters should skip the 70-200 and instead get the Tamron 70-180 f2.8 which is far lighter than even the new Sony 70-200 and is optically excellent. Much easier to carry and to handle. Pleasure to use. Barely bigger than the venerable 4/24-105. .


The statements quoted appears contradictory, without internal zoom, the 75-180 is way more susceptible to intrusion of water and dust regardless of what other sealing it has. I have had no luck in the past with preventing water vapor intrusion in the wet if the lens is not internal zoom. Perhaps you just donít use the Tamron in the wet?

What do you think of the sigma 16-28/2.8? Lightweight at 450g, slightly cheaper than the Sony 16-35, also has internal zoom and is brighter by a stop


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